Poll: 50% of repubs would support Trump postponing 2020 election!

[Smoblikat]

What would you say distinguishes you from any of the conservative media fans here?

Well, im not a conservative or a fan of conservative media, for starters. Im not even a republican! But im sure that doesnt matter to you, youve already decided that I cant be on your team 🙁

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm going to call bullshit for the simple fact that in 2013 the senate came up with an immigration reform plan and passed it, that hinged on securing the border first before any other action could take place. Not only did the house not even bother taking up the bill but not a single Republican paid any price for not doing anything about immigration reform.

So it's not immigration reform that Republicans care about, its not border security, its not free trade or better trade deals either. I'm sure you can figure out what makes trump different and what his appeal is.

Pretty sure I called out their want for mass deportations in the first paragraph.

 

[agent00f]

Well, im not a conservative or a fan of conservative media, for starters. Im not even a republican! But im sure that doesnt matter to you, youve already decided that I cant be on your team 🙁

You et al sure linked to a lot of conservative media to prove that obama is a commie terrorist.

Degens are the worst liars for how much practice they get--real slow learners.

 

[woolfe9998]

Half the Republican base believes the unsecured border and the 10s of millions in the illegal population constitute an existential crisis whereby elections are at risk of being fraudulent. This is a deeply complicated subject, as it's the reason McCain and Bush failed to pass their "comprehensive immigration reform" 12 years ago. The base revolted against them for not wanting to secure the border and deport people first and foremost. These voters are scared, and acting crazy as a result.

"Acting?"
I know... you don't really understand them but they're the sorts I come from. I know a great deal about what drives at least some of them. I say it's a complex issue because there are various interests united here. There's plain old racists, there's nationalists, there's refugees, there's the poor. People who have different reasons but come together under this... issue. They really think it's important and that the nation is lost without effective action.

Reagan promised to secure it, and lied to them. Bush Jr promised... and lied. Trump promised and... well it gets old saying it after a while. With each successive liar trying to favor this voting bloc and failing to actually do something meaningful for them... they grow more desperate. Also because a state like Alabama has gone from 1% to 10% Hispanic in just the past 17 years. These voters have lived long enough to see the demographic tidal wave. They blame this issue, they blame past leaders, and this causes a sense of urgency. They cling to Trump for a desperate chance to fix it.

Trump is President in good part because he was the one to call it out and rally this segment of voters. Combined with his economic message, this made him stand out in the Primary. Otherwise he never stood a chance... but the rational Republicans were splitting the rational voters. Trump collected the rest, undivided.

Anyways, I've come to accept that there will be no mass deportation without violence. That it's just plain immoral. And in the face of such complexities my answer is to try and assimilate, to slow down immigration, to calm people. It's not easy to calm these voters though, especially next time the economy falters and Trump hasn't solved the issue for them. I'm afraid that, until we resolve their economic anxiety they're simply too embroiled into thinking something of value is being "taken" from them as a result of these "invaders". It's a depressing situation.

America needs a President who, on the back of a New Deal, can speak clearly with a sense of conviction that the moral choice for America is to respect the people living here, no matter their status. That we have taken the necessary steps to reduce their pain, and secure the economy. That they must give back by welcoming their fellow Americans. It's a nice dream, the trouble is how to get from here to there.

What you've just said is, fear of foreigners is motivating them to accept the suspension of democracy in America. You want us to understand these people, yet we already understand them because this phenomenon is not new. We've seen it happen in Nazi Germany and many other locales, where scapegoats, both foreign and domestic, are used are used to justify authoritarian government. The position they are taking is deeply immoral and profoundly anti-American. I don't want to dialogue with these people. I want them to go fuck themselves. You start talking about suspending free elections in this country and we are DONE talking so far as I'm concerned. This is not even a topic for debate. These people are SCUM.

 

[ivwshane]

Pretty sure I called out their want for mass deportations in the first paragraph.

And as I explained to you, they don't care about any of that because if they did they would have been praising Obama. If they cared about any of the things you say they are scared of they would have kicked out many Republicans and demanded they vote for the senate immigration reform bill.

People are in denial about the racial undertones behind trump and the increase in public displays of racism and their connection to trump and the Republican party.

 

[Smoblikat]

You et al sure linked to a lot of conservative media to prove that obama is a commie terrorist.

Degens are the worst liars for how much practice they get. Slow learners as demonstrated above.

Excellent! Thats exactly what I was looking for. Id give that a 90/100 without hesitation. Youre taking somthing that I didnt even say out of context, genius! If you can maintain this quality consistently, I think youll find that you can ruffle quite a few more peoples feathers.

So there is evidence to suggest Obama had colluded with not only active terrorists, but was also influenced by the communist party.

Thats the first sentence of the post I know youre referring to, and I know you know this, but I want it out there in case there are any aspiring trolls that need a little help, but that post was supposed to directly provoke people into thinking about how effed up our government has been for a long time now, and not to pretend this is just some new trend started by trump.

 

[Jaskalas]

America needs a President who, on the back of a New Deal, can speak clearly with a sense of conviction that the moral choice for America is to respect the people living here, no matter their status. That we have taken the necessary steps to reduce their pain, and secure the economy. That they must give back by welcoming their fellow Americans. It's a nice dream, the trouble is how to get from here to there.

I don't want to dialogue with these people. I want them to go *** themselves. You start talking about suspending free elections in this country and we are DONE talking so far as I'm concerned. This is not even a topic for debate. These people are SCUM.

You know what suspends free elections? Violence. You know what you just called for?
Blood in the streets is the furthest point from anyone's dream of a better America.

 

[sandorski]

You know what suspends free elections? Violence. You know what you just called for?
Blood in the streets is the furthest point from anyone's dream of a better America.

lolwut?

 

[agent00f]

Excellent! Thats exactly what I was looking for. Id give that a 90/100 without hesitation. Youre taking somthing that I didnt even say out of context, genius! If you can maintain this quality consistently, I think youll find that you can ruffle quite a few more peoples feathers.

Thats the first sentence of the post I know youre referring to, and I know you know this, but I want it out there in case there are any aspiring trolls that need a little help, but that post was supposed to directly provoke people into thinking about how effed up our government has been for a long time now, and not to pretend this is just some new trend started by trump.

Great job reliably citing the same sources that also insist he's kenyan muslim and mexican rapists are coming for our white womens, then pretend to have a case of the vapors when people see that for what it is.

Degens are surely used to @Jaskalas and @Jhhnn types who'll mutually pretend to believe them.

 

[ivwshane]

You know what suspends free elections? Violence. You know what you just called for?
Blood in the streets is the furthest point from anyone's dream of a better America.

You'll have to explain that claim because I saw zero claims of violence in his post. Unless you are taking his call for them to go fuck themselves literally, I have no idea what you got that from.

 

[woolfe9998]

You know what suspends free elections? Violence. You know what you just called for?
Blood in the streets is the furthest point from anyone's dream of a better America.

I didn't call for violence. I said I am uninterested in having any sort of debate with someone who doesn't support having free elections in this country. YOU are the one urging tolerance of this anti-democratic viewpoint. I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to confess to the transgression of being intolerant of fascism in America. And to be clear, being intolerant doesn't mean shooting at someone. It means I have no interest in trying to debate them. I only want to defeat them, at the ballot box. And shame them for the slime they are. They are not debate partners. I'm not interested in debating brown shirts. Debating someone implies they have a viewpoint credible enough to be worthy of respect. They are not worthy of respect. Until they decide to support democracy again, they are worthy of nothing but disdain.

 

[agent00f]

You'll have to explain that claim because I saw zero claims of violence in his post. Unless you are taking his call for them to go fuck themselves literally, I have no idea what you got that from.

People against fascists suspending elections are the Real problem.

 

[Smoblikat]

Great job reliably citing the same sources that also insist he's kenyan muslim and mexican rapists are coming for our white womens, then pretend to have a case of the vapors when people see that for what it is.

The washington post is suddenly a degenerate media outlet (DMO)? On a side note, can you start using DMO as a new word, I think it might catch on. Nobody sees that post the way you see it apparently, I think everyone else just took it for what it is. Proof that the grass isnt always greener, and America has a lot more issues than the new ones trump is creating.

 

[agent00f]

The washington post is suddenly a degenerate media outlet (DMO)? On a side note, can you start using DMO as a new word, I think it might catch on. Nobody sees that post the way you see it apparently, I think everyone else just took it for what it is. Proof that the grass isnt always greener, and America has a lot more issues than the new ones trump is creating.

Most people are numb to degenerates ranting about kenyan commie muslim terrorists.

 

[Jhhnn]

Thats the first sentence of the post I know youre referring to, and I know you know this, but I want it out there in case there are any aspiring trolls that need a little help, but that post was supposed to directly provoke people into thinking about how effed up our government has been for a long time now, and not to pretend this is just some new trend started by trump.

It just shows how screwed up your media sources are. FPM, WND & Newsmax are utter garbagio.

 

[Jhhnn]

The washington post is suddenly a degenerate media outlet (DMO)? On a side note, can you start using DMO as a new word, I think it might catch on. Nobody sees that post the way you see it apparently, I think everyone else just took it for what it is. Proof that the grass isnt always greener, and America has a lot more issues than the new ones trump is creating.

Heh. They gave your bullshit 3 out of 5 pinnochio's. That means it's not still steaming...

 

[agent00f]

It just shows how screwed up your media sources are. FPM, WND & Newsmax are utter garbagio.

You should ask his opinion on the brown crime wave. Though I suspect you already know.

 

[Smoblikat]

It just shows how screwed up your media sources are. FPM, WND & Newsmax are utter garbagio.

Those arent my media sources, I just happened to find a couple links online quickly and thats what came up, I dont even really know who those sites are. Thats why I threw washington post in there too, I figured most people know who they were.

So colluding with russia under obama = good, but under trump its bad?

You should ask his opinion on the brown crime wave.

Please do. I dont know what a brown crime wave is, but I cant wait to find out what my opinions are about it.

 

[agent00f]

Those arent my media sources, I just happened to find a couple links online quickly and thats what came up, I dont even really know who those sites are. Thats why I threw washington post in there too, I figured most people know who they were.

So colluding with russia under obama = good, but under trump its bad?

Of course, you're just fair and balanced, like citing russian state media.

Please do. I dont know what a brown crime wave is, but I cant wait to find out what my opinions are about it.

LOL, wnd/newsmax fan playing dumb as well as trump. stormfront and the klan must also be news to you.

 

[Smoblikat]

Returns on putin's investment in rt.



LOL, wnd/newsmax fan playing dumb as well as trump. stormfront and the klan must also be news to you.

Nope, ive heard of stormfront and the klan before, never heard of a brown crime wave. I have heard of/dealt with a brown out before, but that only happens when its really hot. Are you sure you didnt invent the BCW (brown crime wave) just so you could pretend youve ever heard me mention anything about it ever? Thats cute, pathetic, but cute.

 

[agent00f]

Nope, ive heard of stormfront and the klan before, never heard of a brown crime wave. I have heard of/dealt with a brown out before, but that only happens when its really hot. Are you sure you didnt invent the BCW (brown crime wave) just so you could pretend youve ever heard me mention anything about it ever? Thats cute, pathetic, but cute.

I've always found it strange when people trying so hard in the championships of playing dumb ruin their chances by pretending to be somehow intelligent. Must be gunning for the dunning kruger trophy.

 

[Smoblikat]

I've always found it strange when people trying so hard in the championships of playing dumb ruin their chances by pretending to be somehow intelligent. Must be gunning for the dunning kruger trophy.

Me too, if you see someone doing that, let me know.

 

[agent00f]

Me too, if you see someone doing that, let me know.

I honestly think you deserve to win.

 

[Maxima1]

Those arent my media sources, I just happened to find a couple links online quickly and thats what came up, I dont even really know who those sites are. Thats why I threw washington post in there too, I figured most people know who they were.

So colluding with russia under obama = good, but under trump its bad?



Please do. I dont know what a brown crime wave is, but I cant wait to find out what my opinions are about it.

WTF? Obama wasn't colluding with Russia. Besides, Republicans don't even give a **** about that missile defense in Europe anymore.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those arent my media sources, I just happened to find a couple links online quickly and thats what came up, I dont even really know who those sites are. Thats why I threw washington post in there too, I figured most people know who they were.

So colluding with russia under obama = good, but under trump its bad?

The President has the right & the power to deal with foreign govts on our behalf. That's above & beyond partisan politics. That doesn't include seeking their help to win election or to obtain information criminally hacked from his opposition. It doesn't extend to international money laundering or tax evasion, either.

It's not like there was ever any evidence to even suggest that Obama engaged in such conduct. Trump is a different story entirely.