Political repercussions for Jan Brewer

[JS80]

I'm of Hispanic origin and I can tell you that support for this law is very high among legal and naturalized Hispanics. The problem is a large portion of Hispanics can't make it known that they support these laws, or they will be ostracized from their communities. I am not welcomed into the homes of some of my mothers friends, because I don't hide my beliefs. It really pisses them off when I tell them that I don't consider myself Latino, Hispanic, etc. From the point I took the oath of citizenship, I became an American.
From my experience, the majority of Hispanics who are against this law have many relatives in the U.S. illegally. They don't really think the law is unconstitutional or draconian, they are just afraid of having their relatives deported so they attack it any way they can, and they attack anyone who supports it.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Jimbo]

Right now I'd say they are more reviled by the average White American than the Taliban.

Illegal aliens have killed more Americans than the Taliban. So, if I were doing an accurate risk assessment, I'd say I am in much greater risk of my life at the hands of an Illegal Alien from Mexico or Central America (via drunk driving and violent crime) than I am by a member of the Taliban.

 

[JeepinEd]

I have no qualms with what you are saying, I'm just stating that they make for a good boogeyman. Right now I'd say they are more reviled by the average White American than the Taliban. If the country was in as good of shape as it was in the 90's under Clinton they wouldn't be as big of a deal because everybody was fairly content so we needn't anybody to blame for our problems besides ourselves. I mean they were just as illegal back then weren't they?

This has been an issue since before Clinton - Remember the Reagan amnesty? I think the recent increase in illegal immigration, coupled with the violence on the borders and illegals taking to the streets to demand citizenship has pushed this issue to the forefront. The fact that our leaders have either ignored or encouraged this situation hasn't helped. Our current economic situation only exacerbates the issue, but it's not at the root of it.

 

[bfdd]

I have no qualms with what you are saying, I'm just stating that they make for a good boogeyman. Right now I'd say they are more reviled by the average White American than the Taliban. If the country was in as good of shape as it was in the 90's under Clinton they wouldn't be as big of a deal because everybody was fairly content so we needn't anybody to blame for our problems besides ourselves. I mean they were just as illegal back then weren't they?

Really this is JUST NOW AN ISSUE? I could of SWORE this was an issue 20 years ago when I was but a wee boy.

 

[Jimbo]

I remember it being an issue in the 1970's.

Dwight D. Eisenhower thought it was a big deal back in 1954 and commenced operation "beautiful ray of sunshine".

That kind of put to the lie that "you can't deport them all".
"In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born minor dependent children as is standard international practice.
Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1000 apprehensions per day. By the end of July, over 50,000 immigrants were caught in the two states. An estimated 488,000 illegal immigrants are claimed to have left voluntarily, for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000 to 700,000 had left Texas of their accord. To discourage illicit re-entry, buses and trains took many deportees deep within Mexican territory, prior to releasing them. Tens of thousands more were deported by two chartered ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio."

Link: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

 

[werepossum]

I'm of Hispanic origin and I can tell you that support for this law is very high among legal and naturalized Hispanics. The problem is a large portion of Hispanics can't make it known that they support these laws, or they will be ostracized from their communities. I am not welcomed into the homes of some of my mothers friends, because I don't hide my beliefs. It really pisses them off when I tell them that I don't consider myself Latino, Hispanic, etc. From the point I took the oath of citizenship, I became an American.
From my experience, the majority of Hispanics who are against this law have many relatives in the U.S. illegally. They don't really think the law is unconstitutional or draconian, they are just afraid of having their relatives deported so they attack it any way they can, and they attack anyone who supports it.

Excellent post, and congratulations on joining the best country on Earth. Oh, and thanks for doing so without a hyphen.

 

[ichy]

I have no qualms with what you are saying, I'm just stating that they make for a good boogeyman. Right now I'd say they are more reviled by the average White American than the Taliban. If the country was in as good of shape as it was in the 90's under Clinton they wouldn't be as big of a deal because everybody was fairly content so we needn't anybody to blame for our problems besides ourselves. I mean they were just as illegal back then weren't they?

I believe that the average illegal immigrant is actually a decent person who's just coming here for a better life, however that doesn't change the fact that uncontrolled immigration is still a bad thing for this country. There will always be more people who want to come here than we can absorb.

 

[feralkid]

The supporters of illegals are loud, but they are in the minority. Most Americans who actually get up and go to work in the morning don't have time to go to rallies/protests/whinefests.

So they come here to bitch and whine.

 

[Red Dawn]

I believe that the average illegal immigrant is actually a decent person who's just coming here for a better life, however that doesn't change the fact that uncontrolled immigration is still a bad thing for this country. There will always be more people who want to come here than we can absorb.

I totally agree.

I think a more effective way of controlling the illegal Immigration problem is to go after those who hire them and go after them so hard that it will deter them from using them. That goes for those who complain about illegals but hire them to do their gradening.

 

[nick1985]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ctions/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor

update -- brewer now way ahead of Democrat opponent

 

[Fear No Evil]

I totally agree.

I think a more effective way of controlling the illegal Immigration problem is to go after those who hire them and go after them so hard that it will deter them from using them. That goes for those who complain about illegals but hire them to do their gradening.

Exactly.. go after businesses who have the money so you can tax them more and pay for more bailouts and payoffs. Don't hold individuals responsible, don't secure the border, don't enforce current laws. TAX BUSINESS. Thats your answer for everything.

Who do you think is going to pay the fines for hiring illegal immigrants? The companies? LOL.. Lets say Sunkist is fined for illegals picking its crops. It gets fined and has to hire non-illegals. Who is going to pay for that? The consumer.

Congrats. You've just fucked the poor people who claim to support. But that doesn't surprise me that you can't look past your BUT BUT BIG BUSINESS rhetoric and look at the actual consequences of your actions. Its typical liberalism.

 

[spacejamz]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ctions/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor

update -- brewer now way ahead of Democrat opponent

What a shame that this wake up call showing that the majority of American people are sick of illegal immigration and want action to be taken will be totally ignored by the White House...

The numbers for the people who support AZ are just growing, but Obama who is probably only looking at illegals as a possible source of votes, cannot see (or doesn't care) what we truly want.

 

[ichy]

Exactly.. go after businesses who have the money so you can tax them more and pay for more bailouts and payoffs. Don't hold individuals responsible, don't secure the border, don't enforce current laws. TAX BUSINESS. Thats your answer for everything.

A fine for breaking the law is not a tax.

 

[FerrelGeek]

I have no qualms with what you are saying, I'm just stating that they make for a good boogeyman. Right now I'd say they are more reviled by the average White American than the Taliban. If the country was in as good of shape as it was in the 90's under Clinton they wouldn't be as big of a deal because everybody was fairly content so we needn't anybody to blame for our problems besides ourselves. I mean they were just as illegal back then weren't they?

This has been an issue since before Clinton - Remember the Reagan amnesty? I think the recent increase in illegal immigration, coupled with the violence on the borders and illegals taking to the streets to demand citizenship has pushed this issue to the forefront. The fact that our leaders have either ignored or encouraged this situation hasn't helped. Our current economic situation only exacerbates the issue, but it's not at the root of it.

Very good response. Illegal is illegal, now or 30 years ago.

I believe that the average illegal immigrant is actually a decent person who's just coming here for a better life, however that doesn't change the fact that uncontrolled immigration is still a bad thing for this country. There will always be more people who want to come here than we can absorb.

Another very good comment.

I totally agree.

I think a more effective way of controlling the illegal Immigration problem is to go after those who hire them and go after them so hard that it will deter them from using them. That goes for those who complain about illegals but hire them to do their gradening.

I agree here. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take the additional steps to secure our borders. We, as a country, have every right to do that and that constitution thing of ours says we're supposed to do so as well.

And I agree with ppatin's reply to Fear No Evil; a fine for breaking a law is not a tax. I had to provide substantial proof that I was legally allowed to work in the US when I started my new job (provide proof that I was a citizen in my case) and pass a background check. Sorry mister orchard owener, hotel manager, landscape business owner, rich actress looking for a housekeeper, you can do the same.

 

[Jiggz]

I'm of Hispanic origin and I can tell you that support for this law is very high among legal and naturalized Hispanics. The problem is a large portion of Hispanics can't make it known that they support these laws, or they will be ostracized from their communities. I am not welcomed into the homes of some of my mothers friends, because I don't hide my beliefs. It really pisses them off when I tell them that I don't consider myself Latino, Hispanic, etc. From the point I took the oath of citizenship, I became an American.
From my experience, the majority of Hispanics who are against this law have many relatives in the U.S. illegally. They don't really think the law is unconstitutional or draconian, they are just afraid of having their relatives deported so they attack it any way they can, and they attack anyone who supports it.

That my friend is the truth and nothing but the truth! Go send it to the WH.

 

[MotF Bane]

Exactly.. go after businesses who have the money so you can tax them more and pay for more bailouts and payoffs. Don't hold individuals responsible, don't secure the border, don't enforce current laws. TAX BUSINESS. Thats your answer for everything.

Who do you think is going to pay the fines for hiring illegal immigrants? The companies? LOL.. Lets say Sunkist is fined for illegals picking its crops. It gets fined and has to hire non-illegals. Who is going to pay for that? The consumer.

Congrats. You've just fucked the poor people who claim to support. But that doesn't surprise me that you can't look past your BUT BUT BIG BUSINESS rhetoric and look at the actual consequences of your actions. Its typical liberalism.

No, that's not a tax, that's a fine, a penalty, a punishment for helping criminals.

 

[DAGTA]

So what's the message here? As a politician: obey the will of the people and the people will support you and vote for you? Shocking.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I'm of Hispanic origin and I can tell you that support for this law is very high among legal and naturalized Hispanics. The problem is a large portion of Hispanics can't make it known that they support these laws, or they will be ostracized from their communities. I am not welcomed into the homes of some of my mothers friends, because I don't hide my beliefs. It really pisses them off when I tell them that I don't consider myself Latino, Hispanic, etc. From the point I took the oath of citizenship, I became an American.
From my experience, the majority of Hispanics who are against this law have many relatives in the U.S. illegally. They don't really think the law is unconstitutional or draconian, they are just afraid of having their relatives deported so they attack it any way they can, and they attack anyone who supports it.

self loathing racist hispanic!

 

[Red Dawn]

Exactly.. go after businesses who have the money so you can tax them more and pay for more bailouts and payoffs. Don't hold individuals responsible, don't secure the border, don't enforce current laws. TAX BUSINESS. Thats your answer for everything.

Who do you think is going to pay the fines for hiring illegal immigrants? The companies? LOL.. Lets say Sunkist is fined for illegals picking its crops. It gets fined and has to hire non-illegals. Who is going to pay for that? The consumer.

Congrats. You've just fucked the poor people who claim to support. But that doesn't surprise me that you can't look past your BUT BUT BIG BUSINESS rhetoric and look at the actual consequences of your actions. Its typical liberalism.

Boy what a moron you are. First of all I'm not talking about taxes, I'm talking about fines and forfeiture of any monetary proceeds gained from illegal activity which using illegals is. The companies can avoid this by not hiring illegals. If there's no work for the illegals there's no incentive for them to come here. If it costs more for the product then that's too bad, it will be more than offset by not having to pay for the illegals using services funded by the taxpayers.

 

[Red Dawn]

And I agree with ppatin's reply to Fear No Evil; a fine for breaking a law is not a tax. I had to provide substantial proof that I was legally allowed to work in the US when I started my new job (provide proof that I was a citizen in my case) and pass a background check. Sorry mister orchard owener, hotel manager, landscape business owner, rich actress looking for a housekeeper, you can do the same.

I agree totally with you comment.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Boy what a moron you are. First of all I'm not talking about taxes, I'm talking about fines and forfeiture of any monetary proceeds gained from illegal activity which using illegals is. The companies can avoid this by not hiring illegals. If there's no work for the illegals there's no incentive for them to come here. If it costs more for the product then that's too bad, it will be more than offset by not having to pay for the illegals using services funded by the taxpayers.

Oh ok.. you want to call your taxes FINES... whatever makes you sleep better at night. You refused to answer my question as usual. Why not FINE the families of these people who house them illegally? Why not FINE the individual for breaking the law? Why do you only want to FINE business? Because, as I stated, you are only interested in the MONEY.. not in fixing the problem.

YOU are the moron if you think the costs won't just be passed on to the consumer. No SHIT its going to cost more for a product if we do this, and who is going to pay that.. THE CONSUMERS. But clearly you are only interested in punishing big business and not resolving the problem.

 

[Red Dawn]

Oh ok.. you want to call your taxes FINES... whatever makes you sleep better at night. You refused to answer my question as usual. Why not FINE the families of these people who house them illegally? Why not FINE the individual for breaking the law? Why do you only want to FINE business? Because, as I stated, you are only interested in the MONEY.. not in fixing the problem.

YOU are the moron if you think the costs won't just be passed on to the consumer. No SHIT its going to cost more for a product if we do this, and who is going to pay that.. THE CONSUMERS. But clearly you are only interested in punishing big business and not resolving the problem.

What part of my original post that included

That goes for those who complain about illegals but hire them to do their gardening.

did you not understand?

 

[Fern]

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Why not FINE the families of these people who house them illegally?

I'm pretty sure we do have fines for those aiding, abetting and/or harboring illegal immigrants. I recall reading that law a week or so ago.

My guess is that it's not being enforced (at the federal level).

Fern

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

This is sad. Brewer had nothing to do with the bill really and is a total idiot. I'd rather see one of the other Republicans win.

I understand she signed it in to law but she wasn't out in front on the issue and there's no way she could have vetoed it.

 

[Fear No Evil]

What part of my original post that included did you not understand?

People who hire gardeners and such are 'businesses' as well. I'm talking about the FAMILIES of the illegals who house them here and hide them. As well as the individuals who are here ILLEGALLY as well. I agree with you in a sense that fining businesses is PART of the problem.. but if you are going to issue fines to them, you should do it for EVERYONE involved.

It doesn't surprise me you are focusing on the gardeners and such too because I assume you believe everyone that uses them is a rich person, so tax^h^h^h fine them hell out of them too in your mind.

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it. Do you support fining the individual here illegally AND their families if they are here protecting them? Or are you only interested in punitive fines against rich people and business owners?