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Polictical correctness, why is so damned important

Doomer

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Why does TRUTH always take a back seat to political correctness? Why do people not understand that it's truth that defines reality and not BS mind games like political correctness? Never understood this and probably never will.

Moved here from OT because the OP is too highbrow and incisive for that forum. ;)

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SlitheryDee

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There is something to be said for making a reasonable attempt to avoid offending anyone in certain endeavors. That said, when it becomes clear that certain groups are actively hunting things to be offended by, presumably just to test the limits of how far they can make the world bow to their whims, there comes a time to just say "Fuck off whiners".
 

IGBT

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political correctness is a ploy designed to force agendas on a unwilling populous. liberals always insulate themselves from the "fairness" they impose on everybody else.
 

JulesMaximus

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political correctness is a ploy designed to force agendas on a unwilling populous. liberals always insulate themselves from the "fairness" they impose on everybody else.

Bring back the N word!!! FREEDOM!!!
 

mikeymikec

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Yikes. Some pretty strong opinions there despite the fact that no context has been given yet.
 

Mark R

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I just find it peculiar given the history of the US and its opposition to communism how prevalent and important political correctness is now regarded.

Political correctness was originally developed as one of the tools by which communist governments could enforce their will on the population. By changing what the populus *can* think, you can make them accept policies, that would have previously been considered completely unacceptable.
 

Veliko

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Political correctness doesn't really exist, it's just remnants from a time when people were more prejudiced about those who were different.

The complaints about it always seem to come from those who want to shout about queers or want to be able to name their dog after the N word.
 

Siddhartha

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Why does TRUTH always take a back seat to political correctness? Why do people not understand that it's truth that defines reality and not BS mind games like political correctness? Never understood this and probably never will.

Moved here from OT because the OP is too highbrow and incisive for that forum. ;)

Perknose
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I have noticed that it is mostly, 95%, white men who complain about "political correctness". Now why would anyone really need to use offensive language? Or rather why would white men need to use language that people find to be offensive?

When I hear white guys complain about PC I think of an experience I had in college. I went to Indiana University. The dorm I lived in was divided into houses. In my house out of 60 guys there was one Afro-American and one Saudi student the rest were white. It got to the point where two or three times a week the white guys would play recordings of A. Hitler speeches with their doors open. Why did the white guys do that? Was it because they were racist assholes?
 

Moonbeam

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Doomer: Why does TRUTH always take a back seat to political correctness?

M: You ask a question out of the blue for which we have established no factual basis.

Doomer: Why do people not understand that it's truth that defines reality and not BS mind games like political correctness? Never understood this and probably never will.

M: That means you aren't really seeking understanding but just want to blow off steam. Furthermore, you make no attempt to establish your claims with anything but assertions which are themselves typically politically correct thinking. It is in certain political circles, I think, very much a game of political correctness to argue about how crazy people are who practice political correctness. It is a convenient way to dismiss others points of view.
 

schmuckley

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Political correctness is retarded :p
Seriously;only douchebags get offended.
Funny how the people who push political correctness would be scared to shake a black man's hand or have him over for dinner.
 

Moonbeam

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Allow me to rephrase that for you,

"It's a way to shame conservatives when they speak the truth."

This is you projecting. It has been scientifically documented and peer reviewed that conservatives distort and rationalize away thinking that causes them to experience negative emotions like shame more than liberals do. It is also a well known psychological fact that when our own emotional motivations are invisible to us, we project them on to other people and assume it is what is driving them instead of ourselves. This is one reason why knowledge can confer power. In the course of life one can learn by what we project, a lot about who WE are, not how the other is. One can become practiced enough in this kind of introspection, not to fall for ones own bull shit. It takes some humility, of course, because the who idea is to avoid feeling what we are ashamed to feel.

Take for example a simple idea. You love your Mother, right. If you had a typical Dad you may remember what happened when you didn't show her respect. You should, if typical, have had that thoroughly beaten out of you, one way or another such that today you are probably a big supporter of Mother respect and prepared to defend mothers everywhere. So what happened to that original anger toward Mom you might have felt. You would probably be very ashamed of it and very angry at anybody to thought ill of your Mother. You might even resent that I use this as an example.

You may feel also that were you to ever admit any negative memories about your mother as having any real justification would be a sin. And thus you would be prepared to justify what may have actually been a crime against your own human nature, the inculcation of slavish respect that isn't earned.

None of this, of course, means that you should hate your Mother or hold for her only that feeling. We are complicated and can love and hate at the same time. We are also all part deserving of respect and part guilty of doing harm to others. We can do harm in the name of good too.

The point is that one should be free within, to know ones inner feelings. They are our inner truth but they are not objective facts. Nobody is really guilty of anything and there's nothing we have done we could have done differently. We do not know the feelings that motivate us so we are prisoners of unconscious things. There is nothing to do but forgive, yourself and others.
 

Texashiker

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The point is that one should be free within, to know ones inner feelings.

Then why do liberals force their will upon others?

My inner feelings tell me the gay lifestyle is wrong. But liberals would call me a bigot and tell me I am wrong to feel that way.
 

umbrella39

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political correctness is a ploy designed to force agendas on a unwilling populous. liberals always insulate themselves from the "fairness" they impose on everybody else.
Naturalized coservatards insulate themselves from reality. It has too much of a liberal bias for them.
 

Moonbeam

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Texashiker: Then why do liberals force their will upon others?

M: I don't know how to answer this. There are circumstances where I would force my will on somebody. I wouldn't let a young person jump off a bridge if I had little time to learn their story because of an immediate need to act based on the general proposition that time heals most of young people's wounds. Generally, however, I am of the opinion that ones internal sense of right and wrong should govern what we do. The question, though, is what is really right and wrong. A parent will decide that for children. Some people are children beyond 18 or 21.

T: My inner feelings tell me the gay lifestyle is wrong. But liberals would call me a bigot and tell me I am wrong to feel that way.

M: My inner feelings tell me I am not gay and therefore I can't comprehend being attracted to males. Personally, I find the thought repulsive. Sex without physical attraction is just wrong to me. Since I can't comprehend the mental state of people who are attracted to the same sex, what can I have in common with them. I know what it is to love a woman. Surely gay men feel the same thing. So I don't think you are wrong to say the gay lifestyle is wrong if you mean by that it's not right for you, but I think you are wrong if you say they shouldn't be able to love like you do. That would be, in my opinion, telling you that you can only love men. So if that notion would strike you as the highest injustice, can you see how they would perceive your attitude to them?

I would call you a bigot because you confuse something good with something evil. You know the beauty of love but by natural inclination and acculturation you have concluded that gay love is bad. But it is love that is good in every way it manifests. I am not talking about sexual lust and gratification but real love of another person.

I will never be gay. I will never love a man. I will never be able to experience that feeling. Why some people feel that way, I can't say. But I trust in my love and that makes me want to trust theirs. I can't comprehend the attraction but I know its analog. I wouldn't deny that to anybody. So let me return the question to you. Would you force your will on them?