The few police state lovers here don't know what the hell they are talking about, they wouldn't mind to have cameras in every street corner just so to catch a few burglars. You bet someone in government will abuse this power, because they can.
Maybe we do deserve to lose our liberty and freedom.
Those are stupid. The nice ones are the films that protect against camera and video feed. Only the human eye can read them.
I may look into that, anyway.
We are losing more of our liberty and freedom on a dialy basis and it is deserved on a daily basis until enough wake up and realize the time to fight against it.
BrunoPuntzJones
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In Oakland CA apparently they want to use existing traffic cameras as surveillance cameras. I'm sure it's for the children!
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1886.asp
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1886.asp
blackangst1
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Guess what Dave...I agree with you 100%. With one exception: yout hink it's the governments fault, and not the peoples.
It's definitely our (not specifically yours or mine) fault, but that doesn't excuse the people who are taking our rights away, either. They're still dirty pigs, and should be treated as such.
Think of them as "Moderate Nazis" :laugh:
I thought it was impossible to know both your location and your speed, that it defies the laws of physics.
BrunoPuntzJones
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A state trooper pulled Heisenberg over for speeding once.
The trooper said, "Sir do you know how fast you were going?"
To which Heisenberg replied, "No, but I know where I am!"
shira
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This is the typical ignorant justification for intrusions on civil liberties.
The fact is, there are MANY people who will feel inhibited in their completely legal public behavior, just knowing that "the police are watching." A young couple who wants to neck in the park may now fear that their actions will be recorded and be reported to their parents. A political activist may fear that his completely legal public speeches are being recorded, and cause negative repercussions at work. A woman with panic disorder may feel so intimidated by the possibility of being recorded that she may stay inside. Someone who always drives the speed limit may now always drive 2 mph slower, for fear that they might inadvertently speed and be caught by the monitoring.
It's impossible to predict all of the negatives that universal monitoring will have on the lives of 300 million Americans, but the price is way too high. I'm willing to accept the risk of a few more rapists, murderers, car thieves, and whatever on the loose. I'm not that caught up in fear.
blackangst1
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Originally posted by: manowar821
It's definitely our (not specifically yours or mine) fault, but that doesn't excuse the people who are taking our rights away, either. They're still dirty pigs, and should be treated as such.
Think of them as "Moderate Nazis" :laugh:
Collectively, it is our fault. America is getting not what it wants, but rather what itself has choosen.
Investigating people because of hypothetical future offenses seems like a textbook violation of the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Sure, being able to go back in time to investigate the actions of a criminal BEFORE the crime was committed might be useful, but from a "here and now" point of view, you're investigating a completely innocent person because they MIGHT break the law in the future. However useful that might be to the police, it seems like a dangerous attack on civil liberties to me.
IGBT
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..it will be in your emissions computer with automatic reporting of gps location and fault logger data i.e.speed/braking info. If you drive a late model car much of the info is already there. Next gen emissions requirements will include auto reporting and gps.
ericlp
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The idea of cameras monitoring every highway, boulevard, and alley might strike some Americans as Orwellian. But even the American Civil Liberties Union acknowledges that the public has no right to license plate privacy on public streets. After all, cops can enter plate numbers by hand, so why not by camera? "There's absolutely no bar on collecting plates in public," says Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "There haven't been any legal challenges, because it's not illegal."
Yeah, you can flush your freedoms down the drain.......
LA isn't the only place toying with machine vision-based traffic enforcement. Similar trial programs are under way elsewhere in California, as well as at city and state levels in Florida, Connecticut, New York, Ohio, Alabama, and Arizona. In Miami, as in LA, the systems are helping beat cops find hot cars. On Alabama's highways, stationary cameras are being paired with radar systems that automatically write speeding tickets as violators zip by. And in Sacramento, readers have tripled parking violation revenue by letting officers quickly spot autos with outstanding unpaid tickets (which they then boot).
Europe provides a glimpse of what even bigger deployments can do. In France, 1,000 mobile and stationary plate-reading cameras have doubled speeding ticket revenue and halved speeding-related deaths in just two years. In the UK, 200 cameras policing London's Downtown Congestion Charge Zone generated 13,000 arrests in one year. British law enforcement loves the technology so much that the government has plans for a $43 million campaign to install enough cameras to monitor every motorist on the country's highways, major roads, and bigger intersections, digitally reading some 35 million plates per day. This could catch not just every stolen car but nearly every moving violation as it occurs.
tripled parking violation revenue; doubled speeding ticket revenue... Revenue and $$$ are the keywords here. More money more camera's....
Everything is going to be robotic ... This artical was published in '05 I can just imagine what newer tech and better camera's can pick up these days. Tho, I have mixed feelings about it. Are we going to include face recognition next? Well just mount camera's on all major intersections and everyone will be tracked ... And if you are suspected of committing some sort of crime they will know when you went to the gun store or when you went to the landfill to dump the body. Thats after they got you IP address from google that told them you've been running searches on how to kill people or dispose of the body.
Big Brother is here like no tomorrow. Orwell never thought about hooking the camera's up to computers that would relay the data over a network to populate where you have been ... your speed, your direction, time, etc...etc... into a big data base. He also, didn't think of a huge wireless network that can track your cell phone ... Or even better yet, turn on your cell phones microphone and listen in your conversations or even track your computer at home while your searching through the biggest library on earth, all your thoughts and ideas are being traced through a huge network right back to you via IP address.
It's a bit scary I'll say. It's worse now then it ever was.... This is just the beginning. Just think what they are gonna do with RFID! Wait till they start putting the chips in all the bills (currency) that can be tracked right back to the owner to tell them not only who spent it but where it was spent, what was it spent on, what time it was spent and how much that person is spending...etc...etc....
Good Luck!
Oh, and here is a link to that artical it's pretty interesting...
http://www.wired.com/wired/arc...&topic=lapd&topic_set=
Yeah, you can flush your freedoms down the drain.......
LA isn't the only place toying with machine vision-based traffic enforcement. Similar trial programs are under way elsewhere in California, as well as at city and state levels in Florida, Connecticut, New York, Ohio, Alabama, and Arizona. In Miami, as in LA, the systems are helping beat cops find hot cars. On Alabama's highways, stationary cameras are being paired with radar systems that automatically write speeding tickets as violators zip by. And in Sacramento, readers have tripled parking violation revenue by letting officers quickly spot autos with outstanding unpaid tickets (which they then boot).
Europe provides a glimpse of what even bigger deployments can do. In France, 1,000 mobile and stationary plate-reading cameras have doubled speeding ticket revenue and halved speeding-related deaths in just two years. In the UK, 200 cameras policing London's Downtown Congestion Charge Zone generated 13,000 arrests in one year. British law enforcement loves the technology so much that the government has plans for a $43 million campaign to install enough cameras to monitor every motorist on the country's highways, major roads, and bigger intersections, digitally reading some 35 million plates per day. This could catch not just every stolen car but nearly every moving violation as it occurs.
tripled parking violation revenue; doubled speeding ticket revenue... Revenue and $$$ are the keywords here. More money more camera's....
Everything is going to be robotic ... This artical was published in '05 I can just imagine what newer tech and better camera's can pick up these days. Tho, I have mixed feelings about it. Are we going to include face recognition next? Well just mount camera's on all major intersections and everyone will be tracked ... And if you are suspected of committing some sort of crime they will know when you went to the gun store or when you went to the landfill to dump the body. Thats after they got you IP address from google that told them you've been running searches on how to kill people or dispose of the body.
Big Brother is here like no tomorrow. Orwell never thought about hooking the camera's up to computers that would relay the data over a network to populate where you have been ... your speed, your direction, time, etc...etc... into a big data base. He also, didn't think of a huge wireless network that can track your cell phone ... Or even better yet, turn on your cell phones microphone and listen in your conversations or even track your computer at home while your searching through the biggest library on earth, all your thoughts and ideas are being traced through a huge network right back to you via IP address.
It's a bit scary I'll say. It's worse now then it ever was.... This is just the beginning. Just think what they are gonna do with RFID! Wait till they start putting the chips in all the bills (currency) that can be tracked right back to the owner to tell them not only who spent it but where it was spent, what was it spent on, what time it was spent and how much that person is spending...etc...etc....
Good Luck!
Oh, and here is a link to that artical it's pretty interesting...
http://www.wired.com/wired/arc...&topic=lapd&topic_set=
I say we install cameras in every toilet stall in the country. I mean, whats there to fear unless you have something to hide? Who knows what crimes we could catch!
Arkaign
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Ah, but for a truly secure country, because of all the high-tech advances we have made as a species, we no longer require mass populations. Let's exterminate all but 100,000 of the most politically desirable specimens. We can mandate sterilization, and approve new units only to replace old ones. We can create robots to do all of our farming and security operations.
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