Police using systems to track/store every license plate they see.

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What are you fearing - where your car is seen?

Where were you in this thread?

the right to privacy exists within your own property.

Once you start intermingling with the public, then the public safety may also come into play.
You request permission to drive your car- the inside of your car is your property, the outside is not.

I can agree that the data should not be retained permanently - however, at what point does it get discarded.

If the locating of a vehilce can assist in a homicide (which may have no statute of limitations), should the information have been destroyed.

If the license of a vehicle is recorded during a kidnapping and the vehicle has been tracked/idetnified in a certain area previously, would it help to be able to target that area first to locate the vehicle/perp/victim?

People complain that the government destroys info that that is felt to no longer be applicable (from the destroyer's POV), yet from the complainer's POV, it may still be valuable.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Remember that scene from the movie Minority Report where computers and cameras recorded photos of people's retinas (or was it iris's?) from a distance? I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in the future, people have been implanted with RFID chips.

There is a re-make of Logan's Run coming out shortly.

I strongly suggest those that support Government intrusion and tracking watch it.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's disgusting for one reason, and that reason is there is no motive to record the location, speed and such of every person on the road, reguardless of if they're innocient or not. WHAT THE HELL happened to innocent until proven guilty?

You supporters of this device, why don't you just admit you want an authoritarian country already.

There is no reason to be recording our movements/locations while driving, unless there is a reason to think we've done something wrong.

Yep.

The first step to sanity on this subject is to admit that, for the most part and particularly in the early stages, there's not much to fear unless you're a criminal. The real problem is the power that this gives to those that would abuse it.

Look at the many signs that our police forces are becoming politicized. It was the same thing in the early 30s in Germany. The SD/SS are on their way here, have no doubt in your mind. Remember the 'Free Speech Zones' enforced at the RNC in '04, they arrested/detained people who were not committing any crime, and in full violation of the protections supposedly guaranteed by our constitution.

Have no doubt in your mind that almost all police officers are good people, who want good things for themselves and their community. But also realize that they are servants to their masters, which are not the citizenry at large, but the framework of commands and policies handed down by the politicians.

More likely than not, there will come a time when these kinds of technologies are used to locate, detain, or even exterminate individuals whose only crime is being politically undesirable to the tyrants that believe in the supremacy of the state over the sovereignty of the individual.

 

[palehorse]

creepy... useful... but still creepy.

 

[Zedtom]

There is a group of true believers who do not recognize the authority of states to use license plates to identify citizens. They assert that license tags are merely proof that a car has been registered and taxes have been paid. Members have been known to drive around with no plates on their cars. When they are stopped, they present their license, their proof of insurance, their registration and then present their license plates.

They have gone to court and lost, but they have not given up on their struggle.

More info on Posse Comitatus

 

[tomywishbone]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Turkish

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What are you fearing - where your car is seen?

typical :roll:

no one is forceing you to use your cvehicle for illegal means.

Also, it will assist law enforcement in doing there job for effectively - locate criminals.

:laugh:

 

[jonks]

"Winston loved Big Brother!"

Do these putzes not understand what Orwell meant by this, or do they think Oceania is utopian, and not dystopian?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zedtom
There is a group of true believers who do not recognize the authority of states to use license plates to identify citizens. They assert that license tags are merely proof that a car has been registered and taxes have been paid. Members have been known to drive around with no plates on their cars. When they are stopped, they present their license, their proof of insurance, their registration and then present their license plates.

They have gone to court and lost, but they have not given up on their struggle.

More info on Posse Comitatus

Wow, funny you mention this.

I just had a friend arrested in because his car did not have a front tag mounted.

He just moved to the state the month before from a state that only required a rear tag and his car did not have a license mount on the front so he had the plate on the front dashboard.

He went through the procedure of being arrested, processed, bailed out and now getting a Lawyer. They automatically suspended his license too.

All this for simply what I call not having part of "his papers" showing.

We are already living in 1930's Germany.

As many more people realize what has happened as they are personally negatively affected we will NO DOUBT have a full scale revolution in this country and it is looking more and more everyday I may see it before my lifetime is up.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What are you fearing - where your car is seen?

Where were you in this thread?

the right to privacy exists within your own property.

Once you start intermingling with the public, then the public safety may also come into play.
You request permission to drive your car- the inside of your car is your property, the outside is not.

I can agree that the data should not be retained permanently - however, at what point does it get discarded.

If the locating of a vehilce can assist in a homicide (which may have no statute of limitations), should the information have been destroyed.

If the license of a vehicle is recorded during a kidnapping and the vehicle has been tracked/idetnified in a certain area previously, would it help to be able to target that area first to locate the vehicle/perp/victim?

People complain that the government destroys info that that is felt to no longer be applicable (from the destroyer's POV), yet from the complainer's POV, it may still be valuable.

Think of the children!

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Zedtom
There is a group of true believers who do not recognize the authority of states to use license plates to identify citizens. They assert that license tags are merely proof that a car has been registered and taxes have been paid. Members have been known to drive around with no plates on their cars. When they are stopped, they present their license, their proof of insurance, their registration and then present their license plates.

They have gone to court and lost, but they have not given up on their struggle.

More info on Posse Comitatus

Wow, funny you mention this.

I just had a friend arrested in because his car did not have a front tag mounted.

He just moved to the state the month before from a state that only required a rear tag and his car did not have a license mount on the front so he had the plate on the front dashboard.

He went through the procedure of being arrested, processed, bailed out and now getting a Lawyer. They automatically suspended his license too.

All this for simply what I call not having part of "his papers" showing.

We are already living in 1930's Germany.

As many more people realize what has happened as they are personally negatively affected we will NO DOUBT have a full scale revolution in this country and it is looking more and more everyday I may see it before my lifetime is up.

Ignorance is no excuse for noncompliance. The law is the law. Do you expect the police to actually try and catch some real criminals when they can drive around and harrass the average law-abiding citizen?

No, justice is blind and there is no reason to expect that a modicum of common sense should be applied to the law. Why, the next thing you know we would have people refusing to fight unjust wars!!

 

[blackangst1]

Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

Laws against this are already on the books in many states, and on the agenda of most of the remaining states. Look for a federal mandate on this within the decade.

Problem UNsolved, courtesy of jackbooted authoritarians of all political stripes.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

Laws against this are already on the books in many states, and on the agenda of most of the remaining states. Look for a federal mandate on this within the decade.

Problem UNsolved, courtesy of jackbooted authoritarians of all political stripes.

*shrug* ther will be a way around it when that happens. I liken it to software piracy. Companies will always introduce new "un-crackable" software.. but alas...it always gets cracked. Same thing.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

Laws against this are already on the books in many states, and on the agenda of most of the remaining states. Look for a federal mandate on this within the decade.

Problem UNsolved, courtesy of jackbooted authoritarians of all political stripes.

*shrug* ther will be a way around it when that happens. I liken it to software piracy. Companies will always introduce new "un-crackable" software.. but alas...it always gets cracked. Same thing.

Actually it's not, because in this case you're more likely to be arrested and face significant legal and financial harm due to the nature of the enemy in this case. And you can bet your ass you don't EVER want to be in a confrontation with the law over this or any other issue. Guilty until proven innocent is the rule of law in our 21st century regime.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I guess the next logical step is to mount cameras in every neighborhood. This way, the police can watch every house on the block to ensure that, if one gets broken into, they are able to identify the perp.

It's all for our own safety....right? Think of the children. You wouldn't want their XBox or PS3 jacked and not be able to recover it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What are you fearing - where your car is seen?

People under surveillance are not a truly free people. Their private actions may then always have dire consequence.

?What are you fearing?? The loss of freedom, of liberty, of the values of America.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I guess the next logical step is to mount cameras in every neighborhood. This way, the police can watch every house on the block to ensure that, if one gets broken into, they are able to identify the perp.

It's all for our own safety....right? Think of the children. You wouldn't want their XBox or PS3 jacked and not be able to recover it.

Ever heard of Google Streets? (Is that the right one? blech only saw it once). Anyways. We're getting there. And there are plenty of neihgborhoods with cameras now

 

[BoberFett]

Again I'll say, is posting an opinion in this thread the proper use of a moderator account? What does that moderator fear? Why not use their own account to contribute to this discussion? What does he/she have to hide? If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. Yadda, yadda. I hope I've made my point regarding anonymity.


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[Hacp]

This plan is pure genius. Now, people, fearfull of Big Brother, will ditch their cars and grab their bikes. Gas prices will lower, CC emissions will lower, and we'll all be able to live a healthier lifestyle.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Again I'll say, is posting an opinion in this thread the proper use of a moderator account? What does that moderator fear? Why not use their own account to contribute to this discussion? What does he/she have to hide? If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. Yadda, yadda. I hope I've made my point regarding anonymity.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2072448&enterthread=y

 

[Fern]

Well, on one hand the police have a duty to ensure that the cars on the road are properly licensed etc. If they happen to catch some one with an outstanding warrant, expired drivers license, or a stolen car etc as a side benefit, I'm OK with that.

But to record and maintain such information about all citizens indefenitely IN CASE they commit a future a future crime? I'm NOT OK with that.

Scan 'em, bust 'em, then dump the irrelevant (innocent citizen) data is what out to happen IMO.

This is soooo "big brother" it's creepy. Reminds me of KGB type-stuff where they hang around watching people and record their activities just for the h3ll of it. I don't see any difference because it's digital.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
What are you fearing?

A "big brother" type police state?

Fern

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

They are illegal. The cops here will impound your car if they find that on your car.

 

[RightIsWrong]

As with the cameras for red light runners:

http://www.photoblocker.com/www/vidpop_rlc.html

There is only one reason for adding them. $$$

I'm sure that there is something like this hidden in the details of these plate scanners also.

P.S. The pertinent part of the video is about 1:30 - 2:00 minutes into the clip.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Hmm. Simple solution is one I use now-directional plate covers. Plate is only visible if seen from directly behind my car.

Problem solved.

They are illegal. The cops here will impound your car if they find that on your car.

You assume much Dave. First, they are very difficult to detect, and 2nd, they arent illegal everywhere.