every officer that fired their weapon that night should be fired, and charge with homicide. they guy was putting his gun down, and they shot him like a freaking firing squad. BUT the worst part was they didn't even go in to check on him after they shot him and he was CLEARLY still alive as he moved his arm a bit. They should have been attempting emergency first aid on him, but not one person goes up for a minimum of 2 minutes!!! INSANE!!!
Praxis1452
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really should've added that smiley... And when I said I was surprised there is a reason and my mentioning it was simply for completion.
It was a poor neighborhood as you can probably see from the photos. The cops may have more of these violent crimes to deal with and are probably a little more itchy with the trigger fingers. was trying to get someone to bring that up instead of me.
And you basically repeated what I had already said in my post. nt
JasonSix78
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Some of you really need to watch the video and take note of what REALLY HAPPENED instead of relying on what some people think they saw. There are so many things we can't say for sure happened in this video, but there are a few facts:
The man made a verbal threat to officers that he would shoot. Man makes sudden move with arm that the weapon is in. Officers, following their training and their right, open fire. No the man was not innocent, no he didn't get shot because he was black on a friday night. He got shot because he was a moron.
The K9 officer, he was doing what he was trained to do as well. If anyone is at fault for his death, it's his handler. The dog may have broke loose from his handler and, following his training, went for the suspect. Watch the video and you can see the shadow of the K9 jumping up and down seconds before he runs into the frame.
-Jason
The man made a verbal threat to officers that he would shoot. Man makes sudden move with arm that the weapon is in. Officers, following their training and their right, open fire. No the man was not innocent, no he didn't get shot because he was black on a friday night. He got shot because he was a moron.
The K9 officer, he was doing what he was trained to do as well. If anyone is at fault for his death, it's his handler. The dog may have broke loose from his handler and, following his training, went for the suspect. Watch the video and you can see the shadow of the K9 jumping up and down seconds before he runs into the frame.
-Jason
Yes the man was innocent until proven guilty and its a shame he got shot up before he had a chance to defend himself in court.
It's also unfortunate he tried to negotiate with the police while holding his gun but I really feel sorry for him since all he wanted probably is not to get attacked by the dog and he didnt even shoot the dog as he said he would.
Now the ugly part. The police had the right to shoot but just because you can doesn't mean you should. After all they had kevlars and bulletproof vests and all he had was a t-shirt, and the dog was just about to get him.
The whole situation was 1 big mistake. The dog owner didn't even want to release the dog, the guy had no business trying to talk the police out of using the dog, the police shouldn't have fired since the dog was already there.
So here's my hierarchy of compassion
Poor guy, poor dog, and yes poor police since some of them now have to live with remorse.
P.S. Poor me also cause I spent 2 hours reading thru this thread and thinking what to say.
It's also unfortunate he tried to negotiate with the police while holding his gun but I really feel sorry for him since all he wanted probably is not to get attacked by the dog and he didnt even shoot the dog as he said he would.
Now the ugly part. The police had the right to shoot but just because you can doesn't mean you should. After all they had kevlars and bulletproof vests and all he had was a t-shirt, and the dog was just about to get him.
The whole situation was 1 big mistake. The dog owner didn't even want to release the dog, the guy had no business trying to talk the police out of using the dog, the police shouldn't have fired since the dog was already there.
So here's my hierarchy of compassion
Poor guy, poor dog, and yes poor police since some of them now have to live with remorse.
P.S. Poor me also cause I spent 2 hours reading thru this thread and thinking what to say.
rh71
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How can anyone feel bad that THIS human was shot ? He caused the whole fuggin thing by threatening to shoot... by having a weapon when faced by police officers... by not following the law's orders... it doesn't matter if he was guilty or not of anything that happened before... none of this had to happen. You don't challenge X amount of officers.
So yes, I feel bad for the dog more than the human life that was lost. *spit* The guy who shot first is a moron too.
So yes, I feel bad for the dog more than the human life that was lost. *spit* The guy who shot first is a moron too.
The stupidness of people amazes me. So, your saying as a cop if someone points a weapon at me I should not open fire if I feel my life in in danger since it's most likely (according to you) that they'll just bounce off my body armor? Seriously, are you that moronic?
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You really are a coward aren't you. Go change your soiled diapers little man and hide under your bed... maybe the police will save you from the world.
That's a distorted, Christian view of the world.
Human life is nothing special. We're evolved primates.
So the cops are cowards for not letting the perp take shots at them? Let me guess, your 14, live at home, and the only experience you have with the real world is online and via the stuff mommy buys you.
Those police officers were just plain trigger happy. They handled the situation in an extremely poor manner... complete abuse of power.
Not only did they jump the gun and kill the suspect who was throwing down his gun when the dog attacked him, but they also killed their own police dog.
They should be charged with murder.
Not only did they jump the gun and kill the suspect who was throwing down his gun when the dog attacked him, but they also killed their own police dog.
They should be charged with murder.
He did not take shots at them. He threw down the gun when the police dog attacked him. And then they killed him, AND their police dog.
mugs
Lifer
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Monday morning quarterbacking is great and all, but the while the guy was dropping his gun he moved in the same way that he would move if he was going to use it against the officers. I don't blame them for not waiting to see if he was going to shoot them before they shot him. They did stop pretty quickly when they saw that he threw the gun down.
No they did not. They kept firing shots.
He was kneeling forward when he threw the gun down, and they kept on firing. He fell back and they kept firing. He fell to the ground and they kept firing. The last bullet hit near his right knee and shin when he was laying defenseless on his back.
If you look at the bullets hitting the area around him, you'll see that they continued for a good 4-5 seconds after he dropped the gun and was shot.
And to add to my argument, not even the police themselves agreed with what the other officers did. You can clearly hear them yelling at their fellow officers for completely screwing up the whole situation.
I can't believe there are as many different interpretations of this video as there are people watching it.
They were not yelling because the dog got shot. The police owned the dog and they'd get in minimal trouble for accidentally killing a police dog. Dogs won't sue you.
They were yelling because the situation went FUBAR. They knew they got a little trigger happy and opened fire on the guy. You can hear one of the officers saying "I had two AR-15's, that's it- f*ck everyone else opened up".
K bsobel let me break it down to you cause obviously you forgot to do pushups today.
Nowhere in my post did I imply that bullets will ricochet of my vest and I'd be safe if I was a policeman wearing protective equipment.
I was hoping people with common sense,which you don't seem to have, would infer from
my comments that police fired when they should have waited because the dog was
already there and they should've felt somewhat safe having 1. the dog on the
suspect probably trained to go first after the hand in case he directed it toward the officers
2. The officers were probably in concealment and yes they had their not so bulletproof vests on.
In any case, they had the right to shoot but exercised poor judgement unless there's more to the story than meets the eye: For example if the suspect was a confirmed killer.
Nowhere in my post did I imply that bullets will ricochet of my vest and I'd be safe if I was a policeman wearing protective equipment.
I was hoping people with common sense,which you don't seem to have, would infer from
my comments that police fired when they should have waited because the dog was
already there and they should've felt somewhat safe having 1. the dog on the
suspect probably trained to go first after the hand in case he directed it toward the officers
2. The officers were probably in concealment and yes they had their not so bulletproof vests on.
In any case, they had the right to shoot but exercised poor judgement unless there's more to the story than meets the eye: For example if the suspect was a confirmed killer.
Too bad the cops didn't get a chance to ask for his sheet eh? The cops had less than a fraction of a second to respond when he moved his gun towards them. All you have in this thread is second guessing from untrained people who've never had a gun pointed at them.
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