Police Officers unloads bullets right into the K-9 Dog

[moshquerade]

the blame all goes on the crook with the gun. period.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: Twista
The thing is so many of them was shooting they'll never know who shot the dog. We know it was one of the police

They could probably trace the bullet signatures if they really wanted to know who shot the dog. Each officer's gun gives a slightly different pattern on the bullet itself, which they should have.

On a side note, seriously, cops sometimes just freak out and go blasting like crazy. Which is also why you'll see them occasionally shoot unarmed people like 30 times for no reason. Not every police officer is calm, and even if you're a fairly calm officer if you see your partner start blasting like crazy you'll probably think you're under attack and start blasting too...then the other guy next to you does the same...and the next thing you know you put 40 bullets into a dog =(

Honestly though, the cops did make a really stupid judgement call. Yes, the guy shouldn't have made any sudden movements with the gun. However, the cops had just released the dog to go attack him-so what did you expect him to do? He was trying to chuck it and run away from the dog so he wouldn't get chewed to pieces. If the cops knew what they were doing they would have anticipated something of the sort, and not send in the dog then proceed to shoot the dog and the guy repeatedly. Seriously did they expect the guy to just keep holding the gun as the dog closed in? Wouldn't that be more of a problem than the guy chucking it? Point is, lousy job by the cops. Plus most likely you'd figure the guy was going to shoot the dog if he was pulling his gun out-to stop it from biting him. So the logic would be to shoot to protect the dog from being shot by the guy. How in the world does shooting the dog a billion times solve that problem?

Seriously if you had a gun and a dog was coming to bite you because you had the gun, you're either going to shoot the dog (to stop it from biting you) or chuck the gun. Thus there's really no justification for the cops to send in the dog, then shoot the dog and the man a billion times.

Anyways, the guy looks like he might have been able to survive that incident as it does seem like he managed to shield himself slightly from some of the bullets with the wall thingy, plus the dog ended up taking a lot of the shots too. So...if he's lucky that dog might have ended up saving his life.

Poor dog though-to have your partners blast you to death for no goddamn reason.

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: Number1
This video is just sickenning. People and animal geting shot. You wouls normaly find this kind of stuff on ogrish.

Truly sickening.

BAN.

It's a part of everyday life. It may be sickening, but you see this kind of scene on television and in movies all the time, except when it's on t.v. you know it's not real.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Number1
This video is just sickenning. People and animal geting shot. You wouls normaly find this kind of stuff on ogrish.

Truly sickening.

BAN.

Yeah, let?s hide from reality. People like you living sheltered lives shouldn't be allowed to vote. Idealism is the biggest threat to this country.

It's not sick. It's life. People are made of soft squishy stuff and we die often no matter how hard we strive to prevent it. Deal with it.

Or continue living a sheltered life and holding hands and watching Barney and chanting ?everybody is special, everybody is equal, everybody is the same, and everyone lives forever? and be prepared to be disappointed for the rest of your life.

Sorry for being a big meanie. That's just how it is. It's not the world I like living in either; I certainly don't make the rules.

 

[Chaotic42]

I'd just like to add that unless anyone here has been in a similar situation (either cop or suspect), you can break this down anyway that you want, but you will never really have an idea of what it was like at that moment. People are very quick to judge police officers and military personnel because when they make a mistake, people can die.

So were the cops wrong? Maybe. Is it sad that the suspect was gunned down? Absolutely. Is it sad that the dog is dead? Sure. Just keep in mind that this was most likely a mistake and that long after you've forgotten this thread, the officers who fired will still be dealing with the issue.

Just my two cents.

 

[TekDemon]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Number1
This video is just sickenning. People and animal geting shot. You wouls normaly find this kind of stuff on ogrish.

Truly sickening.

BAN.

Yeah, let?s hide from reality. People like you living sheltered lives shouldn't be allowed to vote. Idealism is the biggest threat to this country.

It's not sick. It's life. People are made of soft squishy stuff and we die often no matter how hard we strive to prevent it. Deal with it.

Or continue living a sheltered life and holding hands and watching Barney and chanting ?everybody is special, everybody is equal, everybody is the same, and everyone lives forever? and be prepared to be disappointed for the rest of your life.

Well, to be fair, if you keep watching super gruesome stuff and you're never even given the chance to believe that it's possible for a world to exist where everyone is equal then you'd probably live a pretty crappy life too. I mean, you gotta believe that the world can be made better somehow, no?

Anyways, you don't want to become desensitized to violence-yes it happens, but that doesn't mean we should always look at it. That's like arguing that people get raped, so we should go watch security camera videos of people being raped. Obviously I don't think you'd argue for that, so don't go flipping out on someone who doesn't like watching a video of a dog and a man being shot to death.

I don't agree with the "BAN" comment, but your whole thing about how we shouldn't be idealistic (and thus not have any ideals?) because the world has sucky stuff happening in it is also crap. Seriously, knowing that crappy stuff happens in this world is one thing, but that doesn't mean we should submerge ourselves in videos of murders and rapes either-being sickened by such things just shows that we're still human and still have our moral sensibilities.

And I don't mean that in a religious sense (Athiest here).

If you've gotten to the point where it no longer bothers you to see a video of actual people/animals dying violently, then there is something wrong with you.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Poor dog. I blame the cops of course. It was ridiculous to shoot that many rounds into the guy to begin with....obviously they need to go back the firing range and practice. They should do balistics on the rounds that went into the dog and shoot the cops' kneecaps out that hit the poor animal.

 

[stars]

I agree with Scarpozzi. Rarely do you ever see a video like this without the cops blowing the hell out of everything.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: TekDemon

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Number1
This video is just sickenning. People and animal geting shot. You wouls normaly find this kind of stuff on ogrish.

Truly sickening.

BAN.

Yeah, let?s hide from reality. People like you living sheltered lives shouldn't be allowed to vote. Idealism is the biggest threat to this country.

It's not sick. It's life. People are made of soft squishy stuff and we die often no matter how hard we strive to prevent it. Deal with it.

Or continue living a sheltered life and holding hands and watching Barney and chanting ?everybody is special, everybody is equal, everybody is the same, and everyone lives forever? and be prepared to be disappointed for the rest of your life.

Well, to be fair, if you keep watching super gruesome stuff and you're never even given the chance to believe that it's possible for a world to exist where everyone is equal then you'd probably live a pretty crappy life too. I mean, you gotta believe that the world can be made better somehow, no?

No, my life isn't crappy at all. Far from it. You can believe all you want, and you can aspire all you want, but in the end, the only thing you can do to change the world is what you yourself do. You can't believe that the world will magically be a better place because you think it should be.

As for equality, that will never happen unless we can create matter out of thin air. Basic economics dictates that there will never be enough resources to make everybody happy all the time. Failing to understand that and live with it is the first downfall.

Anyways, you don't want to become desensitized to violence-yes it happens, but that doesn't mean we should always look at it. That's like arguing that people get raped, so we should go watch security camera videos of people being raped. Obviously I don't think you'd argue for that, so don't go flipping out on someone who doesn't like watching a video of a dog and a man being shot to death.

I wouldn't say watch that kind of thing over and over. Even being desensitized I don't find entertainment in it. It isn't happy, or sad, it's just is, and I accept it however unfortunate. I err on the side of being wishful that it didn't need to happen, but it did, and that's that. But for some people, its their first glance of reality and can be good for them to experience, even if disturbing.

I don't agree with the "BAN" comment, but your whole thing about how we shouldn't be idealistic (and thus not have any ideals?) because the world has sucky stuff happening in it is also crap. Seriously, knowing that crappy stuff happens in this world is one thing, but that doesn't mean we should submerge ourselves in videos of murders and rapes either-being sickened by such things just shows that we're still human and still have our moral sensibilities.

Ideals are nice, but the realization that not everybody shares you ideal is a start. Some people don't believe in your ideals any more than you believe in someones ideals who feel its appropriate to stuff bombs in their kid's back packs. And short of immediate action as it happens, there is nothing you or I can do to change that persons ideals or actions. You can talk, you can convince, you can encourage, and do whatever you can to stop it. But are you prepared to pull the trigger to save lives should your pleas and reason fall on deaf hearts? Will you be the one to weigh the cost vs. benefits of lives saved vs. lives taken, and if not, do you obstruct those who can? It's not fun. Badgering and guilting the people that do it doesn't make it any easier. Different people and cultures believe different things. You can only do your part. You can't make anyone else do anything.

You cross the line when you enforce your ideals on others via politics and law when they don't apply to everyone. For example, there are people who don't believe we should be allowed to defend ourselves, and would seek legislation to bar us from doing so. The ideal is the belief that the world can be happy and if all the guns go away, there will be no more violence. That would be great if it that was the case, but we know it is an ideal, and effots to enforce that ideal will not produce positive results, especially for the good, righteous, and law abiding.

Again I didn't say submerge yourself in this kind of footage. But the opposite is also true, we shouldn't be so desensitized from life itself to go so far as to censor it completely and pretend this doesn't exist. This is why our country is quickly becoming a nation of cry babies who gasp and puke when a bird dies, much less serious events. That is what irks me the most.

It has nothing to do with morals, you can have morals and still objectively be exposed to these things. Just watching a video or even being their yourself and not wanting to harf does not make you a serial killer with no remorse. It makes you someone in touch with reality.

I don't expect everybody to be able to stomach it or we'd have everyone walking around wearing tridents. But its good for some people to puke or smell raw flesh now and then if they think the rest of the world outside their white picket fence is all sharing and caring.

And I don't mean that in a religious sense (Athiest here).

If you've gotten to the point where it no longer bothers you to see a video of actual people/animals dying violently, then there is something wrong with you.

I assure you there is nothing wrong with me; no more so than there is with a doctor who can look at *anything* purely from a clinical perspective and not really be moved. I didn't hit that crack rock. I didn't threaten police. I find no pleasure in bombing a cafes of innocents or crashing planes into civilian buildings. Nor will I. But I can be exposed to these things and the least reaction you will get from me is a shake of the head, and the most, a call to arms to take care of business. Not because I want revenge, not because I'm angry, not because I'm scared, but because I just do what I need to do when I need to do it, and I don't mull over it afterward. It's that simple.

Your way of thinking is admirable, but unfortuneately there are people in the world that simply do not care.

 

[BuckNaked]

I can't really add anything that hasn't been said, and how you view this will probably depend upon what views you already have towards such things...

I truly hate to see the dog being shot, but sometimes things happen beyond ones control. I think the dog was shot because there wasn't enough time for the handler to communicate his intension's with the other officers, and the reaction time in regards to reacting to the actions of the guy with the gun. The guy throwing the weapon down in the manner he did, just doesn't give enough time for someone on the potential receiving end of a bullet enough time to react to such a quick and unexpected movement.

As for the guy with the gun, I feel its as much Darwin at work than anything... Anyone holding a weapon when faced by cops and escalating the situation by threating to shoot rather than complying, greatly reduces the chance for a non-violent conclusion... unless you are talking TV rather than real life.

Anyone who thinks the police should wait until the suspect starts firing before returning fire is living in a fantasy world. All the police need to justify a shooting is a reasonable belief there is an imminent threat, as the video shows there is when the suspect threatens to shoot should the police release the dog. Anyone in there right mind just doesn't act that way and expect a happy ending.

One also has to take into account what actions the suspect may have taken before the video started, that led up to such a confrontation. Was this the end result of another/ several violent crimes? That all weighs into the actions of the police...

On the other hand, I have a pretty extensive background with regards to weapons training, aimed primarily at law enforcement and military. You would be surprised at the lack of preparation or training many officers and departments have for such situations. Most police personnel have little interest in firearms, and do little more than get proficient enough to pass the basic requirements of the department, and the requirements can be surprisingly low. The departments often don't have the money to train to more effective standards, or don't have high enough standards to prepare someone for violent encounters. Often to get truly good training, the officer as an individual has to pay out of his pocket and use his own personal time to go to some of the schools that offer such training. Its expensive, time consuming, and dependent on how much time and effort the individual wants to put into it. On top of that, firearms training is considered a perishable skill... in other words, the skill and proficiency you develop in the class, will degrade over a relatively short time, unless you put in the time and practice to maintain it...

The shooting is truly an unfortunate event for anyone and everyone involved, and there are no simple answers as to why it happened or how it should have played out... Its easy to lay blame on one party or the other, but as such things generally are, its a much more complicated scenario than one can sum up from viewing a few minutes of video and passing judgment.

 

[Twista]

Updated!
http://www.filecabi.net/video/goddammit30.html

Los Angeles sheriffs gun down Deandre Brunston in Compton, He was unarmed. The object in his hand was a flipflop he found on the porch. The dog was airlifted while Deandre was left to die on the ground.

shamE!

 

[Oblivionaire]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Poor dog. I blame the cops of course. It was ridiculous to shoot that many rounds into the guy to begin with....obviously they need to go back the firing range and practice. They should do balistics on the rounds that went into the dog and shoot the cops' kneecaps out that hit the poor animal.

Originally posted by: stars
I agree with Scarpozzi. Rarely do you ever see a video like this without the cops blowing the hell out of everything.

You agree that the cop's kneecaps should be shot? WTF is your major malfunction? Both of you. You should have your heads examined.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Oblivionaire

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Poor dog. I blame the cops of course. It was ridiculous to shoot that many rounds into the guy to begin with....obviously they need to go back the firing range and practice. They should do balistics on the rounds that went into the dog and shoot the cops' kneecaps out that hit the poor animal.

Originally posted by: stars
I agree with Scarpozzi. Rarely do you ever see a video like this without the cops blowing the hell out of everything.

You agree that the cop's kneecaps should be shot? WTF is your major malfunction? Both of you. You should have your heads examined.

Nice to see that he values criminals and animals more than law enforcement officers, isn't it..

Maybe if they were spit on, cursed and shot at on a routine basis, they wouldn't be so elitist.

 

[KrillBee]

Originally posted by: yllus
Well - I have nothing against dogs, cats or other domesticated pets, and I don't want to derail this thread down that path - but I am feel obligated to say that the idea of equating the death of a police dog to a police officer is really, really dumb.

There are two types of life on this Earth: Human and other. Human life is sacrosanct. The other we routinely kill, torture and maim according to how cute they are and how good they taste. I refuse the thought of taking that level of arbitrary decisionmaking and turning it into law.

very true!

I think there was just one state (NJ) that tried to make it a law where killing a police dog was the same as killing an officer. And I dont believe that law was ever passed.

But of course killing a police dog is a much greater violation than killing any other animal.

 

[Aimster]

Was the audio off? cause I heard shots fired before the guy moved.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Was the audio off? cause I heard shots fired before the guy moved.

IIRC earlier in the thread, the audio was determined to be off sync.

 

[OCNewbie]

The audio is behind the video. The suspect is believed to be carrying a gun, but is concealing it out of view from the officers. After being confronted with the possibility that they will release the dog on him, he threatens that "if the dog come my way, I'm gunna shoot". So it appears to me, they called his bluff, released the dog, and then he makes a quick movement throwing his "gun" or flipflop whatever it actually was, and was subsequently shot.

If it HAD been a real gun, how long would it have taken the guy to move it from where he was hiding it, point it in the general direction of one of the officers there (can't really tell exactly where or how many officers were there) and fire? I'd say less than a second. So the officers didn't have but maybe 1 second to react, or respond. He made a quick movement, seemingly confirming his threat to "shoot" if the dog approached him, and the cops did what they are trained to do and took him out before he had a chance to fire upon them.

It's a shame the man died, and the dog was hit in the crossfire, but I don't think the police acted inappropriately as far as firing their weapons. Perhaps they shouldn't have sent the dog in after the guy though, as that seemed to be the catalyst to all the gunfire, etc.

 

[Number1]

The guy asked to talk to his girl and he would drop his gun and surrender. He also said that he would shoot the dog if they released it.

What did the police do, they released the dog.
What a bunch of idiots. Somebody out to be charged for murder in this case.
What a joke.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Number1
The guy asked to talk to his girl and he would drop his gun and surrender. He also said that he would shoot the dog if they released it.

What did the police do, they released the dog.
What a bunch of idiots. Somebody out to be charged for murder in this case.
What a joke.

Ohh, so let me get this straight. You think this guy -- claiming to be armed -- should be running the show just because maybe he'd cooperate better?

Somebody should be charged with threatening a law enforcement officer, but he's dead..so they can't very well do that now.

Tip for you: Officer tells you to drop a gun? Shut up and drop the damn gun.

 

[eits]

wtf... way to go, you fvcking dickholes. goddamn lapd...

you massacred an unarmed man... way to gain friends in the community, dickface. i'm sure that REALLY goes over well among other black neighborhoods in l.a.

AND you shot an amazingly trained dog, someone's beloved pet and partner. good fvcking job.

IDIOT.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: eits
wtf... way to go, you fvcking dickholes. goddamn lapd...

you massacred an unarmed man... way to gain friends in the community, dickface. i'm sure that REALLY goes over well among other black neighborhoods in l.a.

AND you shot an amazingly trained dog, someone's beloved pet and partner. good fvcking job.

IDIOT.

Should I take a photo of me wearing a jacket and my 1911, and another with me wearing a jacket /without/ my 1911...and have you tell me in which one I'm carrying? Not exactly easy. Now imagine someone stating that he had a gun, and in a state of mind in which he may quite possibly be willing to kill you. With me so far? Said individual makes sudden move..BANG. It's not that difficult to understand.

How much would you bet that if this guy would have placed his hands above his head and complied with officer instruction, that nobody would have been injured?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: crystal
WTF, did I saw that right.

Cops ask guy to drop the gun -> start shooting -> guy throw gun -> dog ran up -> both went down.

yeah thats what i seen.

leaves to question WHY they let the dog attack.OR did they let the dog attack (wich is what usually happens) then start shooting hitting the dog.


either way they need a bunch of training.

you saw it wrong... both of you. there's a delay in the video. the guy threw the gun down when he saw the dog attacking. that's when the cops opened fire on everything on the porch like the bunch of incompetent buttholes they are.

 

[shortspanishguy]

One less criminal.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: crystal
WTF, did I saw that right.

Cops ask guy to drop the gun -> start shooting -> guy throw gun -> dog ran up -> both went down.

yeah thats what i seen.

leaves to question WHY they let the dog attack.OR did they let the dog attack (wich is what usually happens) then start shooting hitting the dog.


either way they need a bunch of training.

you saw it wrong... both of you. there's a delay in the video. the guy threw the gun down when he saw the dog attacking. that's when the cops opened fire on everything on the porch like the bunch of incompetent buttholes they are.

And I'm sure you could do better, eh? Any idea what the human recognition/reaction time is? It's not measured in milliseconds. This guy says he has a gun. Said individual makes a rapid movement, which could be, for a reasonable person at the time, construed as an attempt to produce said weapon. The individual gets shot. Don't like it? Don't give the cops a hard time, don't carry a gun when committing a crime, and don't state that you are armed when you aren't. Simple enough.

Wonder why so many cops are jerks? It's because they have to deal with people like you all day.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: eits
wtf... way to go, you fvcking dickholes. goddamn lapd...

you massacred an unarmed man... way to gain friends in the community, dickface. i'm sure that REALLY goes over well among other black neighborhoods in l.a.

AND you shot an amazingly trained dog, someone's beloved pet and partner. good fvcking job.

IDIOT.

Should I take a photo of me wearing a jacket and my 1911, and another with me wearing a jacket /without/ my 1911...and have you tell me in which one I'm carrying? Not exactly easy. Now imagine someone stating that he had a gun, and in a state of mind in which he may quite possibly be willing to kill you. With me so far? Said individual makes sudden move..BANG. It's not that difficult to understand.

How much would you bet that if this guy would have placed his hands above his head and complied with officer instruction, that nobody would have been injured?

he threw the "gun" down when he saw the dog attacking. what did they expect him to do? why would the cops tell him to throw the gun down and then release the dog? with me so far? they released the dog in order to make him throw the gun down and give up. they didn't do it in order to make him pull the gun on the dog so they could shoot up the entire porch and everything on it. "omg, he made a sudden movement... SHOOT!"... well, no, jackoff... he didn't.

basically, they unknowingly made it so that anything the guy did would end up looking like a sudden movement... that's some grade a police work. fvcking dragnet, right there.