police-involved shooting in Kenosha, WI...unrest ensues

[Homerboy]

If I was a downtown Milwaukee business right now I would be boarding up.

Nah - downtown has been pretty peaceful through all of this. What sucks is Frank Nitty (local hero and protest organizer) and his group of supporters are all out of town marching to DC. They were live streaming last night pleading with people in Kenosha etc to remain calm and to NOT riot and to keep control etc.

 

[shortylickens]

Serious question, what sequence of events would have made it okay to kill him?

if he had a knife and was waving it around.

that does not appear to be the case.

 

[nOOky]

I'm just north in MKE. It's just saddening. My sister and I were texting each other last night watching the live feeds etc.
I love my state so much and it just depressing to see what we've devolved into. What those cops did is just unexplainable and just wrong on every single level conceivable.

When I drive through rural towns - not 15 mins from downtown Milwaukee - on the weekends it's just disheartening to see the countless Trump signs. Blue Lives Matter. etc etc. To hear and see people talk and comment on local news stories is mind boggling. Everything is racist, vitriolic and so "simple minded" it makes me want to cry.

The ONLY good news out of this (and I use that term loosely) is Jacob Blake (the victim) has not died from the wounds. He's in serious condition at Froedert hospital (best in the state). His children were in the care when this happened.

*sigh*

In SW WI we have trump signs all over, hence we are getting a rather large Biden sign for our property. Unfortunately we'll need a game camera so we can identify the probable idiots that vandalize it. I see FARMER FOR TRUMP signs all over, as well as WE SUPPORT THE BADGE signs. I'm hoping the Trump supporters are just more vocal, because our numbers for the primary last Tuesday showed a pretty strong Democratic showing.

A so for the shooting, wow, wtf over. I hope the guy recovers. As someone mentioned above, the midwest is probably more racist than the south.

 

[Pohemi]

Couldnt have just tazers him instead?

It will be justified by people saying he was reaching into the car, he might have had a gun, good shoot. Shameful.

I also see a good possibility the cop who shot him will say he thought he was firing his taser.

 

[Meghan54]

I also see a good possibility the cop who shot him will say he thought he was firing his taser.

Might work as an excuse for shot #1. Now how does he explain shots #2-7? If a cop doesn't realize by the second shot that he's using his service pistol instead of the taser, he's either clueless or wants to kill.

 

[Pohemi]

In SW WI we have trump signs all over, hence we are getting a rather large Biden sign for our property. Unfortunately we'll need a game camera so we can identify the probable idiots that vandalize it. I see FARMER FOR TRUMP signs all over, as well as WE SUPPORT THE BADGE signs. I'm hoping the Trump supporters are just more vocal, because our numbers for the primary last Tuesday showed a pretty strong Democratic showing.

A so for the shooting, wow, wtf over. I hope the guy recovers. As someone mentioned above, the midwest is probably more racist than the south.

Most or all Democrat voters in the state are in 3 cities (Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay). The rest of the state is red(necks). That's how we manage to elect a Democrat Governor and very few Democrats in the state legislature, so progressive law changes are few and far between. Feel like WI is stuck in the McCarthy era (he was from WI).

 

[Artorias]

if he had a knife and was waving it around.

that does not appear to be the case.

Surrounded 3-1 by armored cops and they would be scared of some guy wielding a knife?

Nah, there is no justification other than him having a gun. Expect a lot of protesting again.

 

[purbeast0]

So has the cop been arrested yet?

 

[Meghan54]

Most or all Democrat voters in the state are in 3 cities (Milwaukee, Madison, and Green Bay). The rest of the state is red(necks). That's how we manage to elect a Democrat Governor and very few Democrats in the state legislature, so progressive law changes are few and far between. Feel like WI is stuck in the McCarthy era (he was from WI).

My father's family, immigrants from Hungary/Germany, lived outside Milwaukee. Spent several summers up there. Even more vitriolic racism there than we had/have in GA.

 

[fskimospy]

That video is absolutely horrifying. Firing and prosecuting that cop is not enough, we need to disband the police unions and eliminate their culture of impunity.

Cops wouldn’t do things like this so frequently if they were afraid of consequences.

 

[Jaskalas]

...idk how they'll justify this one unless there was a weapon on the seat or something.

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

 

[Homerboy]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

Why were the guns drawn as the first and apparently only reaction? From what it appears at this point it should have NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.

 

[Pohemi]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

Three officers. There were options other than shooting him 7 times in the back. You making excuses is what keeps this shit happening.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

How lefties here expect police encounters to resolve:

(Except with a water gun - not an actual pistol)

 

[purbeast0]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

This is unbelievable that someone actually believes this and typed it out on a public forum. Wow.

 

[Brainonska511]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

FFS... Ignoring a cop shouldn't be a death sentence. They aren't Judge Dredd

 

[fskimospy]

The man had guns pointed at him and refused to comply. That IS a death sentence, you do realize that right?

He ignored the officers, walked around the vehicle, and then got back inside of it. To do what? To reach for a weapon? They have to expect that and react accordingly. IT DOES NOT MATTER if there was or was not a weapon in the vehicle, because at the time they could not have known that. They have to react under the assumption that there is. Due to the unknown. In America you must treat every person as armed. Because they could be.

The shooting is 100% justified based on training and standard procedures. You do not allow people to ignore you and reach for things.

When guns are drawn on you, surrender. Do not fight the police and expect to live.

We are in a very dark place as a society when ignoring an officer and attempting to enter a car justifies being shot seven times.

What happened to our morals and the sense of duty for the police?

 

[purbeast0]

How lefties here expect police encounters to resolve:

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Yes I'm sure they all expect broken HTML.

 

[Jaskalas]

Three officers. There were options other than shooting him 7 times in the back. You making excuses is what keeps this shit happening.

Tackle a man, pin him and he dies. You get a George Floyd situation.

So you stand back and order him to surrender. It was his choice to ignore them. His choice to threaten them with both reaching and the vehicle itself. Both reasons officers have ALWAYS, throughout our entire history, used as a reason to open fire. That has always been the case. People are shot in these exact situations and officers are trained to do so.

 

[fskimospy]

I think this right here is an excellent case for disarming the police generally. Keep a SWAT team and a weapons store for extraordinary situations but other than that? No guns. They have proven themselves unable to handle them responsibly.

Had the cops not had guns they would have been forced to do their jobs correctly.

 

[Pohemi]

Yes I'm sure they all expect broken HTML.

Well for what it's worth, the string of nonsense was as valid as anything else he posts here.

 

[Homerboy]

This is unbelievable that someone actually believes this and typed it out on a public forum. Wow.

There was a overnight car theft a few blocks from my house on Friday. I was talking to my neighbors (whom I love and are generally good and caring people) and they were saying "In today's environment, how do they catch those guys? I mean if they are running, you can't shoot them or anything with the way things are now"

I was dumbfounded. I had to step back and explain to them - passionately - that shooting a car thief wasn't, isn't and never would be the right reaction. Regardless of "the way things are now". They honestly though that shooting somebody running was the normal reaction but due to current events that reaction was now off the table.

 

[fskimospy]

Tackle a man, pin him and he dies. You get a George Floyd situation.

So you stand back and order him to surrender. It was his choice to ignore them. His choice to threaten them with both reaching and the vehicle itself. Both reasons officers have ALWAYS, throughout our entire history, used as a reason to open fire. That has always been the case. People are shot in these exact situations and officers are trained to do so.

We got a George Floyd situation because someone kneeled on his neck for eight minutes while he pleaded for his life. There is nothing about physically restraining someone that requires that.

The idea that attempting to enter a car is in and of itself a threat justifying the use of lethal force means that whatever manuals they are basing policing procedures on need to be thrown out entirely and rewritten. They are the product of a culture of entitlement and impunity.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I think this right here is an excellent case for disarming the police generally. Keep a SWAT team and a weapons store for extraordinary situations but other than that? No guns. They have proven themselves unable to handle them responsibly.

Had the cops not had guns they would have been forced to do their jobs correctly.

You do realize that firearms are often stored in vehicles, right?

You also realize, a vehicle itself is a giant moving death machine, right?

 

[purbeast0]

Tackle a man, pin him and he dies. You get a George Floyd situation.

So you stand back and order him to surrender. It was his choice to ignore them. His choice to threaten them with both reaching and the vehicle itself. Both reasons officers have ALWAYS, throughout our entire history, used as a reason to open fire. That has always been the case. People are shot in these exact situations and officers are trained to do so.

You keep bringing up that this is what they are trained to do.

Link to back that up?