Police find assault rifle, 8,300 rounds of ammunition and body armor in Long Island

[Jerem]

Why would your governor have an effect on the availability and/or pricing of ammunition? I could understand if you were talking about the actual guns but ammo? Is he throwing out an ammo tax or something?

He is extremely anti gun and has been in favor of things such as limits on the amount of ammo that can be purchased as well as licensing for ammunition purchase. It is widely believed he will sign any and every piece of anti gun legislation he can. People will start hoarding here.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

He needed 8000 rounds in case 8000 intruders came to his house. You don't want to be done killing intruder 7999 and realize you are out of ammo and there is still one more coming over the mountain of dead intruder bodies to steal your big screen TV.

It's for the Zombie Apocalypse.

 

[BoberFett]

I have about 2,000 rounds downstairs right this moment. A crate of 7.69x39 and a case of 7.69x54r.

Of course my rifles are Chinese and Russian, so as oppressed minorities, they may quality for some kind of SJW discount.

But feel free to freak out now. I'd enjoy some loony lefty hysterics.

 

[2Dead]

Guess they updated it, I'll update the OP

To be fair, it looks like the story has changed a couple of times since even I posted. Now they are saying he was carrying the AR in his vehicle too.

 

[Darwin333]

He is extremely anti gun and has been in favor of things such as limits on the amount of ammo that can be purchased as well as licensing for ammunition purchase. It is widely believed he will sign any and every piece of anti gun legislation he can. People will start hoarding here.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=79&PN=rfa

All the ammo in virtually any caliber you could possibly want.

Even if he does pass some sort of bullshit law you could still drive out of state to buy all the ammo you want.

 

[TheVrolok]

Ok why the hysteria over having a lot of ammo? I know many people who do a lot of shooting and having 10K rounds of ammo is normal if not on the low side. on a typical Saturday day at the range is very common to go through 4-5K rounds. Is there a NY law that limits how much ammo one can have?


where i live the only law this guy broke and deserved to be arrested for is impersonating a LEO.

reporters are stupid.

that's a 2700 round magazine.... lol yea ok.

Agreed. Certainly some poor reporting that he's got three magazines holding 8k rounds. Also agree with others in the thread who suggest that 10k rounds really isn't that "extreme." I'm the only shooter in my house (my fiancee and I) and I have 7 firearms and just under 4k rounds. I, unfortunately, have not been out shooting much recently, but I generally shoot 200-300 rounds per outing in 1-2 hours at the range when I go out. When I find good deals on ammo, I pick some up. The rounds I have fit in 2 ammo cans. It's not like 4k rounds is piles and piles of ammunition.

Now the dude in the OP has some significant issues. I don't have problems with the firearms/ammo per se, but fake credentials? Not good.

 

[OutHouse]

Please. A quick check reveals that 9mm ammo is $200/1000, 5.56 is more like $300/1000.

I mean, you blow through $800-$1200 of ammo in a typical saturday at the range? really?

Do you not realize that having 10,000 rounds in the casa is really rather unusual outside the small community of extreme enthusiasts?

Ever hear of reloading?

 

[glenn1]

In Vegas you can also spend $800-1200 in a few minutes shooting a mini-gun and see how much ammo larger than .22 really costs.

I wouldn't know since every time I've fired anything beyond my personally owned sidearm it was while on duty. I have no idea how much some of that crap cost and I would probably fall out of my chair to realize how much money our team literally blew through in a day. We quite literally had so much ammunition we were supposed to exend that after hours of loading magazines we'd simply put the rest in a hole and apply liberal amounts of C4 just so we wouldn't have to bring it back. Range control used to hate us for that shit.

 

[glenn1]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=79&PN=rfa

All the ammo in virtually any caliber you could possibly want.

Even if he does pass some sort of bullshit law you could still drive out of state to buy all the ammo you want.

That's the place that sells crappy Russian steel core ammunition that destroys your barrel and rifling after a hundred rounds or so right?

 

[flexy]

Not a gun enthusiast or even "pro gun", but so he had an assault rifle, some guns and plenty of ammo?

Since when is this something special?

 

[Jerem]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CategoryListing.aspx?catid=79&PN=rfa

All the ammo in virtually any caliber you could possibly want.

Even if he does pass some sort of bullshit law you could still drive out of state to buy all the ammo you want.

Thanks. I'm aware of the mail order vendors though. CTD was gouging way above other vendors during the shortage after Sandy Hook. They will never see another dollar from me. I use PSA and Freedom these days.
Part of the ammo bill Newsom was working on includes a ban on importation and mail order. I know where I can still get it but that wasn't the point of my post that you originally replied to. You asked why there would be a shortage if Newsom was elected. Peoples first reaction wont be to drive out of state, they are going to clean the shelves.

edit: also, just so you know, a number of counties ban mail order ammo here already, so online ordering is a no go. I thankfully don't live in one.

 

[woolfe9998]

The fact that he had forged documents, impersonating an officer is a problem, but there is nothing particularly abnormal about the guns and ammo. I know plenty of people that have way more ammo than that at home.

Hysteria over nothing.

Lots of guns? I agree, not big concern. Not even after adding lots of ammo and high capacity mags. It gets concerning when you add in body armor and fake federal ID. In this day and age of mass murders every week, you have to wonder what he might have been planning. Which federal building was he going to shoot up?

 

[Carson Dyle]

Lots of guns? I agree, not big concern. Not even after adding lots of ammo and high capacity mags. It gets concerning when you add in body armor and fake federal ID. In this day and age of mass murders every week, you have to wonder what he might have been planning. Which federal building was he going to shoot up?

If you're going to sit in your living room at home with several guns within easy reach, hoping that someone comes through your front door, why not also wear body armor?

 

[Svnla]

Now this IS a lot of guns = https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/b2/b8/d1b2b8606b40b9f0af074da7dd24bdf5.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/2vjwp5z.jpg

(no it is not mine, I don't have that kind of cash )

 

[Jhhnn]

He is extremely anti gun and has been in favor of things such as limits on the amount of ammo that can be purchased as well as licensing for ammunition purchase. It is widely believed he will sign any and every piece of anti gun legislation he can. People will start hoarding here.

Which begs the question of what motivates people to hoard ammunition in the first place. Apparently people who do have some fears that they might actually need large amounts somewhere down the road. I'm not sure how rational that really is.

I'm not trying to disparage shooting enthusiasts at all. It has a rightful place in our society like a lot of other stuff. I understand buying ammo in 1000 round lots for people who use a lot of it, like buying asswipe in the jumbo package at Sam's Club for the family.

What I don't understand is their often limited self perception & willingness to operate on assumptions that aren't necessarily true in a way that reinforces those perceptions. As has been mentioned, incidents like Sandy Hook are often followed by periods of limited availability of ammo in popular calibers apparently because enthusiasts buy it up over concerns that it will be made unavailable. Having moved the inventory from the shops to their closets some will readily buy in to the idea that the perceived shortage isn't of their own making.

On the other side of it, the general public & LEO in particular may read more into a large ammo cache than is really there, too. It's not really ordinary, not even for most gun owners.

I think it's really important for people on any side of the issue put themselves in the other guy's shoes to figure out where he's coming from & to see ourselves as they do.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ever hear of reloading?

Of course. I'm familiar with the process. While being less expensive, it also takes a lot of time to reload a few 1000 rounds, obviously, & even more to load it into magazines.

It shows an unusual degree of devotion to one's hobby to then just use it all up in one day.

 

[EduCat]

I know several people who stock ammo like this and I would consider every single one of them to be a loony tune at this point.

 

[glenn1]

Of course. I'm familiar with the process. While being less expensive, it also takes a lot of time to reload a few 1000 rounds, obviously, & even more to load it into magazines.

It shows an unusual degree of devotion to one's hobby to then just use it all up in one day.

Why? Plenty of people work under the same (IMHO dumb) mindset of "I've already paid for it, so might as well use as much of it as possible." Doesn't matter whether it's gorging yourself at an all-you-can-eat buffet, or 'already-paid-today's-range-fee so might as well shoot all the ammo I got' it's pretty much the same mindset.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's not the guns or the ammo that are the issue here until he decided to impersonate an air marshal.

This.

 

[HumblePie]

LOL, and wow

WTF is up with NY police and media.

The guy owns less guns and ammo than many I know. So long as the guns were legally obtained and used legally who cares? The ammo amount is a red herring along with the body armor. Neither of which are illegal to own anywhere in the US.

So the real problem I have with the guy was being an idiot in trying to pretend to be a cop to other cops. Having a fake badge for the shits and giggles is one thing. Trying to pass it off as real is a person being an idiot.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why? Plenty of people work under the same (IMHO dumb) mindset of "I've already paid for it, so might as well use as much of it as possible." Doesn't matter whether it's gorging yourself at an all-you-can-eat buffet, or 'already-paid-today's-range-fee so might as well shoot all the ammo I got' it's pretty much the same mindset.

I question the notion that enthusiasts regularly blow thru 4000 rounds in a day at the range or that some maintain large ammo caches for that reason.

It's perfectly OK to admit that the rationale for such is fear based- that if the world goes to Hell in a handbasket they want to have plenty of ammo. I understand that. I'm not sure it's rational at all.

Or are you merely confusing it with gluttony?

 

[HumblePie]

I question the notion that enthusiasts regularly blow thru 4000 rounds in a day at the range or that some maintain large ammo caches for that reason.

It's perfectly OK to admit that the rationale for such is fear based- that if the world goes to Hell in a handbasket they want to have plenty of ammo. I understand that. I'm not sure it's rational at all.

Or are you merely confusing it with gluttony?

Depends on how many friends you bring along. I've been in large groups and the group can regularly blow through that and more. Have gone through almost 20K rounds of 5.56 in a single Saturday with a large group of military and ex-military friends all having a blast. It's not that uncommon at all. Especially if you can cut down costs by reloading and using military/police pricing EdIt, the one time I was with a group that went through that many rounds it was a group collection on the ammo. Meaning not one person was responsible for procuring that much ammo at once. Some bought some from the store, many were reloads though.

 

[glenn1]

I question the notion that enthusiasts regularly blow thru 4000 rounds in a day at the range or that some maintain large ammo caches for that reason.

It's perfectly OK to admit that the rationale for such is fear based- that if the world goes to Hell in a handbasket they want to have plenty of ammo. I understand that. I'm not sure it's rational at all.

Or are you merely confusing it with gluttony?

No doubt some or many are fearful, and there's nothing wrong with that. Whatever the reasons - fear, gluttony, conspicuous consumption, or Autism spectrum level of obsession with firearm shooting, there's nothing that unusual or alarming with this behavior. "Rationality" has nothing to do with it nor should it; hell I think that people who are fans of Nickelback aren't rational and yet they don't scare me nor make me think we should monitor their activities. Ditto for people who dress like Furries, go LARPing at RennFaires, or any other number of ridiculous activities.

 

[Jhhnn]

No doubt some or many are fearful, and there's nothing wrong with that. Whatever the reasons - fear, gluttony, conspicuous consumption, or Autism spectrum level of obsession with firearm shooting, there's nothing that unusual or alarming with this behavior. "Rationality" has nothing to do with it nor should it; hell I think that people who are fans of Nickelback aren't rational and yet they don't scare me nor make me think we should monitor their activities. Ditto for people who dress like Furries, go LARPing at RennFaires, or any other number of ridiculous activities.

As we've seen too many times, hoarding guns & ammo is not necessarily a benign pattern of behavior like the others you mention. That makes your comparisons bullshit.

What if it's not about what you think it's about? What if it's just about selling more guns & ammo like selling cellphones or fashion accessories? That maybe you have to be a little bit crazy to not see it for what it is?

Consider the idea that you're being manipulated by people who don't give a damn if we kill each other or not-

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-nra-vs-america-20130131

In truth, the more it happens the more they get to puff it up & sell more guns so it can happen more often. Wash, rinse, repeat until what, exactly? You tell me.

 

[glenn1]

As we've seen too many times, hoarding guns & ammo is not necessarily a benign pattern of behavior like the others you mention. That makes your comparisons bullshit.

What if it's not about what you think it's about? What if it's just about selling more guns & ammo like selling cellphones or fashion accessories? That maybe you have to be a little bit crazy to not see it for what it is?

Consider the idea that you're being manipulated by people who don't give a damn if we kill each other or not-

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-nra-vs-america-20130131

In truth, the more it happens the more they get to puff it up & sell more guns so it can happen more often. Wash, rinse, repeat until what, exactly? You tell me.

"Not necessarily a benign pattern" is a really crappy justification for laws or limitations on people's rights.

And evidently unlike you, I don't live in terror of someone wanting to kill me or not. As I pointed out earlier the level of mass shootings is so low that you'd be far better putting your energy into protecting people from lightning strikes or some other equally random calamity. If anything it's you who is being manipulated into thinking the average person owning firearms is far, far more dangerous than it actually is.