Police bullet lands perfectly in suspect's gun chamber

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: pontifex
the bullet doesn't expand until it actually hits something.
i don't know enough about calibers to know if a .40 would fit into the barrel of a .38 though. was the .38 loaded with a round chambered? i'm wondering if the impact from the .40 would make the .38 round go off?

Originally posted by: ryan256
Oh btw Bradruth. Remember a bullet doesn't mushroom til it hits something. Having not hit anything before entering the barrel of the other gun it could possably go in. Of course the angle & numerous other variables would have to be perfect. Hence the low probability.

Right, but how would you collect a fired bullet without having it hit something?

fire it perfectly straight up with no crosswinds :laugh:

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: quakefiend420
hey bradruth, would a semi auto had already chambered another round at that point?

If a semi-auto fires it immediately cycles another round into the chamber.

that's what i thought

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Right, but how would you collect a fired bullet without having it hit something?

Thats forensic's problem dude. I'm just saying I think it would fit.

 

[MattCo]

This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: MattCo
This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

depends on the gun, but generally at least 2 of the chambers in the cylinder are gonna be obscured

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: MattCo
This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

Well.. don't know about the gun the suspect had but on my revolver the bottom chamber is completely blocked by the frame. The frame partially blocks the 4 side chambers.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: MattCo
This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

that is a good point

maybe it didn't land perfectly ( i was thinking barrel for some reason)

it would be a lot easier for it to hit the entire revolving chamber cylinder and just mostly go into one of the chambers

maybe a full report vs. a one paragraph news article would clarify what they found

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: foghorn67
He fired in 'bullet time.'

QFT

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: MattCo
This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

that is a good point

maybe it didn't land perfectly ( i was thinking barrel for some reason)

it would be a lot easier for it to hit the entire revolving chamber cylinder and just mostly go into one of the chambers

maybe a full report vs. a one paragraph news article would clarify what they found

The only other news report when Googled

 

[Armitage]

Story said it lodged in one of the chambers of the bad guys revolver - so didn't go down the barrel, and increases the odds a bit since there would be at least two exposed chambers, right?

And it doesn't have to fit in there cleanly or at the perfect angle - lots of energy to push things around. I'm kind of suprised it didn't blow out the back of the chamber.

Certainly unlikely, but how/why would you fake it? If you're out to plant evidence, there have to be better ways to do it then jamming a fired bullet into the suspects gun in a realistic manner.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: MattCo
This is just as much a wild arse speculation as any, but ... Since the suspect was carrying a revolver, souldn't the bullet would have 6 times as much chance to lodge in the front of the gun?

(Maybe the news report of "Gun chamber" means in one of holes in the revolver.

It would make more sense than the bullet travelling directly down the barrel IMHO.

Remember, if they're using soft bullets, it doesn't have to hit perfectly straight-on...it will deform when it hits the hole.

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as much as i support law enforcement, i think the chance someone planted that bullet is higher than the chance it was shot into there

but anything is possible i suppose

Naw, the story is too unbelievable for it to be a plant.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: FoBoT
as much as i support law enforcement, i think the chance someone planted that bullet is higher than the chance it was shot into there

but anything is possible i suppose

The only problem with that is that the bullet was fired...where are you going to find a fired bullet unexpanded enough to insert into another gun?

i don't know
it just seems impossible for a bullet fired from one person to another in a gun battle to do that

as i said, i hate threads bashing law enforcement. but there are some bad cops out there, in some cities

i am just thinking from the physical/physics side of it. that would be a billion or trillion to one event to get it to happen. you could try to reproduce it experimentally and it could take you a very long time to reproduce the feat.

has anyone ever tried it? maybe i am mistaken you could setup a couple of stationary guns and get it to happen, but then you introduce 2 humans firing the guns? in a hostile situation?

I believe that you mean to say highly unlikely rather than impossible. Your two statements above do not coincide. Additionally, the article did NOT say that the officer did it on purpose, just that it happened. As long as the bullet can physically fit inside the other gun then it is possible given enough attempts.

 

[FoBoT]

from the other story

Officers fired a total of about four shots from their .40-caliber Glock handguns, authorities said. One of their bullets entered one of the chambers of the man's .38-caliber revolver, shoving the bullet inside backwards, said Kimerer.

i think i believe it now!

 

[GreenGhost]

Now with PICtures:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268168_shootingfollow27.html

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: GreenGhost
Now with PICtures:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268168_shootingfollow27.html

I can't make out the damage they say is in the pic.

 

[Sentinel]

Right, just like how they tried to split an arrow on Mythbusters last week.

I call this myth, busted.

 

[snoopdoug1]

Originally posted by: Sentinel
Right, just like how they tried to split an arrow on Mythbusters last week.

I call this myth, busted.

hmm... I didn't see the show, but my brother(an avid bowhunter) has split an arrow before. He was actually pissed when he did it because the arrows are expensive

 

[mryellow2]

Originally posted by: snoopdoug1

Originally posted by: Sentinel
Right, just like how they tried to split an arrow on Mythbusters last week.

I call this myth, busted.

hmm... I didn't see the show, but my brother(an avid bowhunter) has split an arrow before. He was actually pissed when he did it because the arrows are expensive

They split many arrows but none from the nock to the head. Seems that because of the grain of the wood the splitting arrows tends to deflect preventing a perfect split.

 

[KentState]

1 out of a trillion doesn't take a trillion times for something to happen.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: GreenGhost
Now with PICtures:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268168_shootingfollow27.html

I can't make out the damage they say is in the pic.

same here, horrible picture

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: snoopdoug1

Originally posted by: Sentinel
Right, just like how they tried to split an arrow on Mythbusters last week.

I call this myth, busted.

hmm... I didn't see the show, but my brother(an avid bowhunter) has split an arrow before. He was actually pissed when he did it because the arrows are expensive

If you're talking about getting a 'Robin Hood', every archery range that I've been to just has an arrow jutting out the back of another. I have yet to see one where an arrow has been split into two parts.

 

[Vic]

Seattle continues to break new ground in municipal corruption.

 

[2Xtreme21]

The cop could have picked up the gun, put the barrel of his glock point-blank against the cylinder of the revolver and fired a shot. Granted that's not too likely, but hey.. we're paying attention to him, aren't we?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: luckysnafu
Mythbusters needs to try this out.

do it

email them, im sure they are game for this

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: pontifex
the bullet doesn't expand until it actually hits something.
i don't know enough about calibers to know if a .40 would fit into the barrel of a .38 though. was the .38 loaded with a round chambered? i'm wondering if the impact from the .40 would make the .38 round go off?

Originally posted by: ryan256
Oh btw Bradruth. Remember a bullet doesn't mushroom til it hits something. Having not hit anything before entering the barrel of the other gun it could possably go in. Of course the angle & numerous other variables would have to be perfect. Hence the low probability.

Right, but how would you collect a fired bullet without having it hit something?

fire it perfectly straight up with no crosswinds :laugh:

dont forget to catch it on the way down