Police and Doctors force digital anal probing, 3 enemas, Xray on man without consent

[WelshBloke]

Legally, no it doesn't. But a cop can say whatever he wants, within the law or not...

Yeah they can ask whatever they want over here as well. I'd expect a medical professional to know that forcibly giving a body cavity search is way, way outside of their remit regardless of who asks him to do it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah they can ask whatever they want over here as well. I'd expect a medical professional to know that forcibly giving a body cavity search is way, way outside of their remit regardless of who asks him to do it.

What do you say to 5 adrenaline-fueled police officers who are screaming at you about obstruction of justice, warrants, and on and on?


I would tell them to screw off or arrest me, but most people won't do that.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And that's basically what happened anyway. They went to one hospital, the doctors refused to do the procedure. So they went somewhere else.


These guys were out for blood. Like I said, I am absolutely shocked that they didn't "find" drugs on him. It's actually more surprising than the fact that a militarized LEO took someone to the hospital for a forced rectal examination.

 

[WelshBloke]

What do you say to 5 adrenaline-fueled police officers who are screaming at you about obstruction of justice, warrants, and on and on?

What would I say personally?

Well I doubt that that would happen over here, the "policing by consent" thing still has a bit of life left in it yet.

But honestly I'd just just treat them like anybody else shouting at me at work. I'd ask them to calm down and that shouting isn't going to get them anywhere. If they carried on I'd call security and hospital management (the hospital management bit is the only thing I'd do differently if they were police, I normally wouldnt bother with that).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah they can ask whatever they want over here as well. I'd expect a medical professional to know that forcibly giving a body cavity search is way, way outside of their remit regardless of who asks him to do it.

That would be true, however there is one thing everyone seems to be missing. This account is being taken as factual and in context without any consideration as to the veracity or accuracy of the statements presented. What if there was something else going on which caused the physicians to act this way? I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I see only one account.

 

[WelshBloke]

That would be true, however there is one thing everyone seems to be missing. This account is being taken as factual and in context without any consideration as to the veracity or accuracy of the statements presented. What if there was something else going on which caused the physicians to act this way? I don't know if that's true or not, but I do know I see only one account.

Thats true, but if the list of procedures is correct I cant really think of a situation where doing those to someone actively refusing to give consent would be justified.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What would I say personally?

Well I doubt that that would happen over here, the "policing by consent" thing still has a bit of life left in it yet.

But honestly I'd just just treat them like anybody else shouting at me at work. I'd ask them to calm down and that shouting isn't going to get them anywhere. If they carried on I'd call security and hospital management (the hospital management bit is the only thing I'd do differently if they were police, I normally wouldnt bother with that).

It was sort of a rhetorical question.


Over here, a judge will always believe a police officer over a citizen unless there is direct conflicting evidence.

So, a LEO threatening you with obstruction charges is a very real thing... Even if you're able to fight it, you're talking a couple thousand for attorney fees, at least 3 court appearances, and even then you could still lose.

And here in the US, calling security on a cop is like poking a lion with a twig.

 

[AViking]

At least one other hospital told the police they would not do it.

I just can't imagine being a doctor and being told that I need to perform 8 anal cavity searches. It's just absurd. One x-ray? With a warrant? Sure. Nothing shows up? Get the hell out of my hospital.

This is beyond insane.

 

[WelshBloke]

It was sort of a rhetorical question.

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Over here, a judge will always believe a police officer over a citizen unless there is direct conflicting evidence.

Jeah but what are they going to charge you with.

Police: Your Honour, this man is charged with obstructing the police.
Judge: What are the details?
Police He refused to forcibly stick his fingers up the reprobates arse.
Judge.

So, a LEO threatening you with obstruction charges is a very real thing... Even if you're able to fight it, you're talking a couple thousand for attorney fees, at least 3 court appearances, and even then you could still lose.

Meh, I'm at work. The hospital trust can pay. Seriously theres no way it would stand up in court though.

And here in the US, calling security on a cop is like poking a lion with a twig.

Yeah but then its securities problem not mine.

 

[AViking]

It was sort of a rhetorical question.


Over here, a judge will always believe a police officer over a citizen unless there is direct conflicting evidence.

So, a LEO threatening you with obstruction charges is a very real thing... Even if you're able to fight it, you're talking a couple thousand for attorney fees, at least 3 court appearances, and even then you could still lose.

And here in the US, calling security on a cop is like poking a lion with a twig.

This is so absurd that I would call the police commissioner, captain, or whatever and let them know what was going on. Get more police involved who might be able to sort out whatever internal department shenanigans they have going on and get the police out of there. I'd have hospital management there. I wouldn't simply perform 8 anal cavity searches because a cop says so.

It's not within the realm of reasonable.

Then again I suppose we should reference the Milgram Experiment. Those not familiar with it would probably simply obey the man in the uniform and that's a sad reality of the human condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

 

[BoberFett]

Well I doubt that that would happen over here, the "policing by consent" thing still has a bit of life left in it yet.

Eh, you guys have your own policing issues. While my overall impression of UK cops is still better than their US counterparts, the whole "antisocial behavior" thing rubs me the wrong way. It seems awfully wide open to abuse.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This is so absurd that I would call the police commissioner, captain, or whatever and let them know what was going on. Get more police involved who might be able to sort out whatever internal department shenanigans they have going on and get the police out of there. I'd have hospital management there. I wouldn't simply perform 8 anal cavity searches because a cop says so.

It's not within the realm of reasonable.

Then again I suppose we should reference the Milgram Experiment. Those not familiar with it would probably simply obey the man in the uniform and that's a sad reality of the human condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Without derailing the entire thread, I love nothing more than putting ignorant LEOs to task with their threats. But I have the resources and knowledge to handle these things. To most people, "bending over for cops" is a necessity due to how our justice system functions.


And call the captain? Watch these interviews, that captain supports his officers 110% no matter what they did.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Eh, you guys have your own policing issues. While my overall impression of UK cops is still better than their US counterparts, the whole "antisocial behavior" thing rubs me the wrong way. It seems awfully wide open to abuse.

+1. We have major issues, but I would much rather be here and deal with our own problems compared to the hazy anti-social judgements that go on over there.

 

[WelshBloke]

Eh, you guys have your own policing issues. While my overall impression of UK cops is still better than their US counterparts, the whole "antisocial behavior" thing rubs me the wrong way. It seems awfully wide open to abuse.

Which bit? Are you talking specifically about ASBOs because they aren't really much to do with the police?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At least one other hospital told the police they would not do it.

I just can't imagine being a doctor and being told that I need to perform 8 anal cavity searches. It's just absurd. One x-ray? With a warrant? Sure. Nothing shows up? Get the hell out of my hospital.

This is beyond insane.

Perhaps it's absolutely as advertised and in that case I agree.

 

[BoberFett]

Which bit? Are you talking specifically about ASBOs because they aren't really much to do with the police?

Do the police not determine who is being "antisocial"?

 

[SandEagle]

$1.6 million settlement.
http://kdvr.com/2014/01/16/new-mexi...after-forcing-man-to-undergo-anal-procedures/

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol, doesn't seem like enough.

 

[MagickMan]

It's tax-free, though. That seems like reasonable compensation, IMO.

 

[CLite]

$1.6 million settlement.
http://kdvr.com/2014/01/16/new-mexi...after-forcing-man-to-undergo-anal-procedures/

Under the terms of the settlement, police admit no wrongdoing.

Glad the guy got money, but fuck that police department.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's tax-free, though. That seems like reasonable compensation, IMO.

Good.

 

[Kadarin]

Glad the guy got money, but fuck that police department.

No accountability from the police, as usual.

 

[Triumph]

No accountability from the police, as usual.

"Under the terms of the settlement, police admit no wrongdoing."

They never lose.

 

[Jimzz]

The suit against the doctor and hospital is still ongoing. So will get some more on top of that.

 

[brycejones]

Glad the guy is collecting. He deserves it.