Police and Doctors force digital anal probing, 3 enemas, Xray on man without consent

[CanOWorms]

The Judge should lose his job.
The Doctors should lose their medical licenses.
The police officers should lose their jobs.

The poor sod should get a big ole fat paycheck out of it.

The judge should also be disbarred. Additionally, the judge, doctors, and police should also all be subject of criminal prosecution and personal civil lawsuits piercing through to their personal assets.

 

[silverpig]

It took me a second reading of the title to fully get it. Digital probe? They shoved the interwebs up there? Oh... THAT digital...

 

[WelshBloke]

The Judge should lose his job.
The Doctors should lose their medical licenses.
The police officers should lose their jobs.

The poor sod should get a big ole fat paycheck out of it.

The doctors need to go to jail as well. Doing that without consent and without some overriding clinical need (like the guy is unconscious and bleeding out of his arse) should be looked at legally exactly the same as you walking down the street and doing it to some random stranger.

 

[bshole]

They really like their anal probing.

A second man is alleging that Hidalgo County, N.M., police violated his rights and escalated a minor traffic stop into an anal-probing nightmare as they searched in vain for drugs.

Timothy Young was stopped on Oct. 13, 2012, for allegedly turning without a signal, KOB-TV first reported Tuesday evening. A K-9 dog erroneously indicated he had drugs in his vehicle and he was taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center in Silver City, N.M., where doctors performed an x-ray scan and a digital anal probe.
Young went public after a similar case attracted intense national and local coverage this week.

Albuquerque civil rights attorney Shannon Kennedy told U.S. News Wednesday she is filing a lawsuit on Young's behalf.

Kennedy is also representing David Eckert, who was stopped on Jan. 2, 2013, by Deming, N.M., police for allegedly rolling through a stop sign. Eckert was also taken to the Gila Regional Medical Center – where he was x-rayed, forcibly given enemas and then given a colonoscopy.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/11/06/second-anal-probe-lawsuit-filed-against-nm-police

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The doctors need to go to jail as well. Doing that without consent and without some overriding clinical need (like the guy is unconscious and bleeding out of his arse) should be looked at legally exactly the same as you walking down the street and doing it to some random stranger.

For all you know the gang members told the doctors they saw him shove something up his butt. It seems a little bizarre for any medical professional to go THAT far unless they definitely thought something was there.


I blame the gang "cops" at the lead of this. In my experience they are the ones lying to judge about what happened to get a warrant, and I'm sure wouldn't hesitate to lie to the doctors as well.

And this is absolutely a perfect example of "gang" group think mentality. One of them thinks he saw something, and before you know it the whole group is frothing at the mouth to find something.

 

[Jimzz]

For all you know the gang members told the doctors they saw him shove something up his butt. It seems a little bizarre for any medical professional to go THAT far unless they definitely thought something was there.


I blame the gang "cops" at the lead of this. In my experience they are the ones lying to judge about what happened to get a warrant, and I'm sure wouldn't hesitate to lie to the doctors as well.

And this is absolutely a perfect example of "gang" group think mentality. One of them thinks he saw something, and before you know it the whole group is frothing at the mouth to find something.

Does not matter, its not a doctors job to be a cop. They should have asked the patient and done a x-ray; if nothing was seen and both are negative tell the cop there is nothing medical to do.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Does not matter, its not a doctors job to be a cop. They should have asked the patient and done a x-ray; if nothing was seen and both are negative tell the cop there is nothing medical to do.

Sure, but the reality of how these things go down is an entirely different story. Cops bring in drunk/high people all the time... And the doctor has to weigh "disobeying a cop" with his personal opinion on what's going on.


This is just like saying you don't have to talk to a cop about what you're doing or where you're going when he pulls you over, or that he can't search your car without probably cause.. Legality and reality are totally different things.

 

[Wreckem]

Sure, but the reality of how these things go down is an entirely different story. Cops bring in drunk/high people all the time... And the doctor has to weigh "disobeying a cop" with his personal opinion on what's going on.


This is just like saying you don't have to talk to a cop about what you're doing or where you're going when he pulls you over, or that he can't search your car without probably cause.. Legality and reality are totally different things.

Umm. Dr's can only do things with a warrant. If the Dr's in these cases took the time to read the warrants, they would not have committed malpractice, assault and battery, and potentially sexual assault.

The first Dr at the first hospital said no. The question is why didn't the drs at the second hospital?

 

[AViking]

The doctors will lose their jobs and medical licenses. I'm fairly confident in that. Nobody seems to think the cops will pay a price though. That's bullshit.

 

[sourn]

Sure, but the reality of how these things go down is an entirely different story. Cops bring in drunk/high people all the time... And the doctor has to weigh "disobeying a cop" with his personal opinion on what's going on.


This is just like saying you don't have to talk to a cop about what you're doing or where you're going when he pulls you over, or that he can't search your car without probably cause.. Legality and reality are totally different things.

That doesn't apply here, even with that load of shit. One anal check should've been enough and the doctors after the x-ray+check should've stopped it right then and there.

All involved went way to far, and common sense should've told them that. If it takes a doctor more then one x-ray and an anal probe to find drugs then that doctor should be shit canned.

 

[Wreckem]

The doctors will lose their jobs and medical licenses. I'm fairly confident in that. Nobody seems to think the cops will pay a price though. That's bullshit.

I dont know.

A state trooper in Texas who digitally penetrated women during illegal searches not only got fired but are being criminally prosecuted. Although a trooper in a second case was cleared of wrong doing and reinstated because "she was following orders from a Sr. officer".

Who knows what will happen.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I dont know.

The state troopers in Texas who digitally penetrated women during illegal searches not only got fired but are being criminally prosecuted.

That is incredibly rare. And it only happened because of the publicity. If that were a 'quiet' settlement lawsuit, which is how most of these turn out, those cops would have at worst been fired and records sealed.

 

[Kwatt]

... cop about what you're doing or where you're going when he pulls you over....

While I will not disagree with anything in your post.I sometimes think the next time a cop ask me this I should respond.

"I am just out in The Pursuit of Happiness"

It will probaly work out poorly for me though.


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[SpatiallyAware]

While I will not disagree with anything in your post.I sometimes think the next time a cop ask me this I should respond.

"I am just out in The Pursuit of Happiness"

It will probaly work out poorly for me though.


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I'm extremely respectful, polite, and nice.. but I don't play to the "give me the address of where you're going" BS. I'm either going home, to work, or to the store.

Demanding details is an invasion of privacy. It helps to know your state's laws very, very well.

 

[Oldgamer]

Umm. Dr's can only do things with a warrant. If the Dr's in these cases took the time to read the warrants, they would not have committed malpractice, assault and battery, and potentially sexual assault.

The first Dr at the first hospital said no. The question is why didn't the drs at the second hospital?

The warrant wasn't valid in Grant County. In addition doctors can refuse on ethical grounds and then the cops take them to jail and allow their jail doctors to do what is needed.

 

[WelshBloke]

For all you know the gang members told the doctors they saw him shove something up his butt. It seems a little bizarre for any medical professional to go THAT far unless they definitely thought something was there...

So what? Doctors are doctors, they shouldn't be acting like the inquisition.

Their job is to make people's health better not to make the polices life easier.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So what? Doctors are doctors, they shouldn't be acting like the inquisition.

Their job is to make people's health better not to make the polices life easier.

Think of it as the US version of universal health care

 

[WelshBloke]

Think of it as the US version of universal health care

I think I'll stick with our then!

 

[AViking]

Doesn't the hippocratic oath hold precedence over a cop coming in and telling them they have to do something unethical? Is there no legal backing to it?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Doesn't the hippocratic oath hold precedence over a cop coming in and telling them they have to do something unethical? Is there no legal backing to it?

Try to imagine ~5 cops holding a warrant in the ER screaming about 'obstruction of justice' and accusations of refusing to honor a warrant.


I think the doctor(s) screwed up, no doubt, but I have a hard time believing they were bored and just had nothing better to do than stick cameras up some guys butthole.

 

[WelshBloke]

Doesn't the hippocratic oath hold precedence over a cop coming in and telling them they have to do something unethical? Is there no legal backing to it?

I know we tend to tell the police to go jump if they want information from us. Its not that we are being chippy, its just not appropriate for health care to be part of the police services.

Saying that its been a long time since I can remember being asked for any information by the police. I think the last time was when they asked us to give them a ring when a guy was discharged or left the hospital grounds. We declined.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Doesn't the hippocratic oath hold precedence over a cop coming in and telling them they have to do something unethical? Is there no legal backing to it?

None at all. You practice at the pleasure of the state.

 

[WelshBloke]

Try to imagine ~5 cops holding a warrant in the ER screaming about 'obstruction of justice' and accusations of refusing to honor a warrant...

Doesn't a warrant just give permission to search someone, it doesn't give permission to force others to join in?

Also we would have hospital security and management down in a flash if that happened.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I know we tend to tell the police to go jump if they want information from us. Its not that we are being chippy, its just not appropriate for health care to be part of the police services.

Saying that its been a long time since I can remember being asked for any information by the police. I think the last time was when they asked us to give them a ring when a guy was discharged or left the hospital grounds. We declined.

Things are very different here in the US.


Our laws and justice system don't condone this behaviour, but our local militarized police are seriously out of control.

I think the root cause is that cops are underpaid, underqualified, and the type of person who gravitates to our militarized "gang" police force are exactly who should NOT be carrying a badge and gun.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Doesn't a warrant just give permission to search someone, it doesn't give permission to force others to join in?

Legally, no it doesn't. But a cop can say whatever he wants, within the law or not. It's really bizarre, as you're not supposed to disobey an officer yet they frequently, without repercussion, ask people to do things which are outside the bounds of the law.

To make things worse, most jurisdictions have specific policies that they "roll over" all recordings within 24 hours. It's written this way because there is literally no way you can force them to hold the tapes until an active investigation is started. And it's impossible to make that happen within the 24 hour rollover period.

In other words, department policy makes it nearly impossible for a regular citizen to hold a corrupt LEO accountable.

However.... If they need that footage to use against a citizen they're magically able to pull up years-old recordings with no problem.


About the only way that an officer is held accountable for crap like this is either from 3rd party recordings, or numerous complaints about an officer. As in, 30-40 complaints per year. Everything else is ignored.