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ManyBeers

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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: txrandom
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: txrandom
( 13 choose 1) * (4 choose 3) * (12 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) * (4 choose 1).

This doesn't include 4 of a kinds or full houses.

Edit: This also assumes that all 52 cards have an even chance to be drawn. Obviously cards that are already dealt to the players will have a lower chance of showing up.

Look i am using peoples responses on here to double check my self, so if you don't mind would you please give an answer and not a formula.

Look i am just trying to help you, but now I won't.

Well, i don't understand why you just didn't answer the question if you knew the answer.

maybe b/c the way you asked him made it sound like you were demanding it rather than kindly asking.

Furthermore, if you bothered to put even a little effort, you could have done the calculation yourself given what txrandom gave you, but you're jsut one lazy person.

You think i am asking on here because i would understand his formula?

It's like if someone tells you "the answer is 5*5", and you reply with "C'mon, just give me the answer". Are you that lazy to solve 5*5?

Now granted, I don't know the answer to your original question and I also do not know if Txrandom's equation is the correct answer, however, your laziness is what makes you sound stupid and a child.

Look up how to do (X choose Y) type problems (permutation/combination formulas) and you will be able to sovle TXrandom's answer in a jiffy.

lol 54 years old.

Go play in another thread i don't need or want your advice or your continued insults. You are a typical big-mouth internet coward, who hides behind his computer and throws barbs at other posters. Now get lost.
 

Dunbar

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The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.
 

chuckywang

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Jan 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
....how many 3-rank combinations are possible? That is, when the 5 board community cards are dealt how many 3 of a kind combinations are possible? For instance Board:2c,3h,2s,Jd,2h=3 deuces.
I am not looking for permutations just combinations. In other words a board of 2c,3h,2sJd,2h is equivalent to a board of 2h,3h,2c,Jd,2s. The order of the ranks arrival on the board does not matter. I think anyone who can solve this knows what i mean. Thanks in advance.

Do you count 2h, 2s, 2d, 2c, (any other card) as a combination?
 

chuckywang

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Originally posted by: txrandom
( 13 choose 1) * (4 choose 3) * (12 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) * (4 choose 1).

This doesn't include 4 of a kinds or full houses.

Edit: This also assumes that all 52 cards have an even chance to be drawn. Obviously cards that are already dealt to the players will have a lower chance of showing up.

Confirmed.
 

chuckywang

Lifer
Jan 12, 2004
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Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

I'm guessing he cares cause his homework says he has to care.
 
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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: txrandom
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: txrandom
( 13 choose 1) * (4 choose 3) * (12 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) * (4 choose 1).

This doesn't include 4 of a kinds or full houses.

Edit: This also assumes that all 52 cards have an even chance to be drawn. Obviously cards that are already dealt to the players will have a lower chance of showing up.

Look i am using peoples responses on here to double check my self, so if you don't mind would you please give an answer and not a formula.

Look i am just trying to help you, but now I won't.

Well, i don't understand why you just didn't answer the question if you knew the answer.

maybe b/c the way you asked him made it sound like you were demanding it rather than kindly asking.

Furthermore, if you bothered to put even a little effort, you could have done the calculation yourself given what txrandom gave you, but you're jsut one lazy person.

You think i am asking on here because i would understand his formula?

It's like if someone tells you "the answer is 5*5", and you reply with "C'mon, just give me the answer". Are you that lazy to solve 5*5?

Now granted, I don't know the answer to your original question and I also do not know if Txrandom's equation is the correct answer, however, your laziness is what makes you sound stupid and a child.

Look up how to do (X choose Y) type problems (permutation/combination formulas) and you will be able to sovle TXrandom's answer in a jiffy.

lol 54 years old.

Go play in another thread i don't need or want your advice or your continued insults. You are a typical big-mouth internet coward, who hides behind his computer and throws barbs at other posters. Now get lost.

calm down there old man.

So I take it from your post that you are still too lazy to look up some simple formulas which you could use to get the answer you're looking for, am I right?
 

DrPizza

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This is so simple:


ManyBeers, you want the answer to check your solution?

Why don't you just post the answer you got, and we'll let you know if you're right or wrong.

In other words, you first. The number of possible hands that have 3 of a kind is:
<blank>


Fill in the blank, please. :)

 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Aren't you a poker pro? Shouldn't you have this already memorized?

No this is just a self improvement math problem i am trying to do.

It don't seem to be working.
 

ManyBeers

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Aug 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

It has nothing to do with poker, and as i said in an earlier post it is just a mathematical problem i was trying to solve. And i was hoping someone here who is good at math could corroborate my answer to the problem.
 

ManyBeers

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
This is so simple:


ManyBeers, you want the answer to check your solution?

Why don't you just post the answer you got, and we'll let you know if you're right or wrong.

In other words, you first. The number of possible hands that have 3 of a kind is:
<blank>


Fill in the blank, please. :)
Maybe it is easy for you but it is not for me.

I already have. Read the thread and one of my posts gives my answer.
 

ManyBeers

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Aug 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

I'm guessing he cares cause his homework says he has to care.

I am 54 years old and this has nothing to do with homework. Why do so many people on here assume this is homework related.
 

dethman

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

It has nothing to do with poker, and as i said in an earlier post it is just a mathematical problem i was trying to solve. And i was hoping someone here who is good at math could corroborate my answer to the problem.

they did you're just too ignorant to figure it out. jesus why are there so many retards on this board.
 

ManyBeers

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Aug 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

It has nothing to do with poker, and as i said in an earlier post it is just a mathematical problem i was trying to solve. And i was hoping someone here who is good at math could corroborate my answer to the problem.

they did you're just too ignorant to figure it out. jesus why are there so many retards on this board.

Nobody has yet to post an answer exept me. They have posted formulas.
 

clamum

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Jesus, OP. You're a fucking moron.

personal attacks earn you time off. -Anandtech Moderator DrPizza
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

It has nothing to do with poker, and as i said in an earlier post it is just a mathematical problem i was trying to solve. And i was hoping someone here who is good at math could corroborate my answer to the problem.

they did you're just too ignorant to figure it out. jesus why are there so many retards on this board.

Senility + too Many Beers =
 

ManyBeers

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Dunbar
The real question is why the hell do you care? The goal is to be able to look at a board, figure out where you stand, and calculate your outs if you have a drawing hand. The rest is reading your opponent and picking spots to bluff. I can't figure out how this equation would help your poker skills.

It has nothing to do with poker, and as i said in an earlier post it is just a mathematical problem i was trying to solve. And i was hoping someone here who is good at math could corroborate my answer to the problem.

they did you're just too ignorant to figure it out. jesus why are there so many retards on this board.

Senility + too Many Beers =

Another internet big mouth, offering nothing but lame insults.
 

clamum

Lifer
Feb 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: clamum
Jesus, OP. You're a fucking moron.

Why do you come in this thread out of the blue and call me a moran?
lol

Well I was interested in the original post first but reached the conclusion after reading through the thread.
 

ManyBeers

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: clamum
Jesus, OP. You're a fucking moron.

Why do you come in this thread out of the blue and call me a moran?
lol

Well I was interested in the original post first but reached the conclusion after reading through the thread.

Sure you did. Take a hike
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: DrPizza
This is so simple:


ManyBeers, you want the answer to check your solution?

Why don't you just post the answer you got, and we'll let you know if you're right or wrong.

In other words, you first. The number of possible hands that have 3 of a kind is:
<blank>


Fill in the blank, please. :)
Maybe it is easy for you but it is not for me.

I already have. Read the thread and one of my posts gives my answer.

Ahh, I missed it the first time. It's not correct. Usually though, when students of mine post an incorrect answer, it's a factor or multiple of the correct answer. Or, it's in the ball-park. Yours isn't too close. What did you do to calculate that?

Even if you go about solving the problem not understanding the notation for combinations, it's not too difficult to figure out that just looking at the 3 cards that are the same, you could have a 2 of clubs, 2spades, 2 diamonds,
or 2C,2S,2H, or... Just with the 2's, there are 4 different 3 of a kind hands.
This leads to 4 times 13 ranks = 52 different combinations of just the 3 of a kind cards.
Now, just with a 4 card hand, there are 49 other cards to complete the hand. 48 since you want to exclude making a 4 of a kind hand. So, for each of those 52 combinations of 3 of a kind, you have 48 other cards that can be used. This leads to 2,496 different hands, which is already far more than what you have suggested (1,381).

Which brings me to another question: how the heck did you wind up with an odd number of possibilities??

As would be stated on sites that are geared toward helping with homework: Show us your work and we'll show you where you're making an error in logic or calculation.

Also, your accusation that others here are only providing a formula?! That's pretty silly. It's like saying "Give me the answer, not the formula" when they're providing "3 times 4." Most scientific calculators very readily have a permutation and combination calculation. (on the cheap $10 TI calculators, it says nPr and nCr above the number 5 and 8 IIRC) This is little different from using the square root function on a calculator.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Nobody has yet to post an answer exept me. They have posted formulas.


From the link:
Three of a kind 54,912

Awwww, you ruined it! I've been chuckling ever since txrandom posted that link and he failed to even check out what was there. Of course, that was 16 posts after Tx showed him where the answer came from.

And, let's not forget that Schfifty Five told him exactly what he'd need to google to find out how to use TxRandom's formula. Plus, at least one person told him to google poker probabilities.

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish..." In this case, although posters were rude about it (rude isn't a violation, but the personal attack was), they did everything but cast the fishing pole for him.
 

TuxDave

Lifer
Oct 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Nobody has yet to post an answer exept me. They have posted formulas.


From the link:
Three of a kind 54,912

Awwww, you ruined it! I've been chuckling ever since txrandom posted that link and he failed to even check out what was there. Of course, that was 16 posts after Tx showed him where the answer came from.

And, let's not forget that Schfifty Five told him exactly what he'd need to google to find out how to use TxRandom's formula. Plus, at least one person told him to google poker probabilities.

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish..." In this case, although posters were rude about it (rude isn't a violation, but the personal attack was), they did everything but cast the fishing pole for him.

:eek: Doh! Quick, people need to post more so that he skips over my post.
 

ManyBeers

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Aug 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: DrPizza
This is so simple:


ManyBeers, you want the answer to check your solution?

Why don't you just post the answer you got, and we'll let you know if you're right or wrong.

In other words, you first. The number of possible hands that have 3 of a kind is:
<blank>


Fill in the blank, please. :)
Maybe it is easy for you but it is not for me.

I already have. Read the thread and one of my posts gives my answer.

Ahh, I missed it the first time. It's not correct. Usually though, when students of mine post an incorrect answer, it's a factor or multiple of the correct answer. Or, it's in the ball-park. Yours isn't too close. What did you do to calculate that?

Even if you go about solving the problem not understanding the notation for combinations, it's not too difficult to figure out that just looking at the 3 cards that are the same, you could have a 2 of clubs, 2spades, 2 diamonds,
or 2C,2S,2H, or... Just with the 2's, there are 4 different 3 of a kind hands.
This leads to 4 times 13 ranks = 52 different combinations of just the 3 of a kind cards.
Now, just with a 4 card hand, there are 49 other cards to complete the hand. 48 since you want to exclude making a 4 of a kind hand. So, for each of those 52 combinations of 3 of a kind, you have 48 other cards that can be used. This leads to 2,496 different hands, which is already far more than what you have suggested (1,381).

Which brings me to another question: how the heck did you wind up with an odd number of possibilities??

As would be stated on sites that are geared toward helping with homework: Show us your work and we'll show you where you're making an error in logic or calculation.

Also, your accusation that others here are only providing a formula?! That's pretty silly. It's like saying "Give me the answer, not the formula" when they're providing "3 times 4." Most scientific calculators very readily have a permutation and combination calculation. (on the cheap $10 TI calculators, it says nPr and nCr above the number 5 and 8 IIRC) This is little different from using the square root function on a calculator.

I don't think you are a good teacher, you are too quick to put done and belittle. But thanks for trying.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: DrPizza
This is so simple:


ManyBeers, you want the answer to check your solution?

Why don't you just post the answer you got, and we'll let you know if you're right or wrong.

In other words, you first. The number of possible hands that have 3 of a kind is:
<blank>


Fill in the blank, please. :)
Maybe it is easy for you but it is not for me.

I already have. Read the thread and one of my posts gives my answer.

Ahh, I missed it the first time. It's not correct. Usually though, when students of mine post an incorrect answer, it's a factor or multiple of the correct answer. Or, it's in the ball-park. Yours isn't too close. What did you do to calculate that?

Even if you go about solving the problem not understanding the notation for combinations, it's not too difficult to figure out that just looking at the 3 cards that are the same, you could have a 2 of clubs, 2spades, 2 diamonds,
or 2C,2S,2H, or... Just with the 2's, there are 4 different 3 of a kind hands.
This leads to 4 times 13 ranks = 52 different combinations of just the 3 of a kind cards.
Now, just with a 4 card hand, there are 49 other cards to complete the hand. 48 since you want to exclude making a 4 of a kind hand. So, for each of those 52 combinations of 3 of a kind, you have 48 other cards that can be used. This leads to 2,496 different hands, which is already far more than what you have suggested (1,381).

Which brings me to another question: how the heck did you wind up with an odd number of possibilities??

As would be stated on sites that are geared toward helping with homework: Show us your work and we'll show you where you're making an error in logic or calculation.

Also, your accusation that others here are only providing a formula?! That's pretty silly. It's like saying "Give me the answer, not the formula" when they're providing "3 times 4." Most scientific calculators very readily have a permutation and combination calculation. (on the cheap $10 TI calculators, it says nPr and nCr above the number 5 and 8 IIRC) This is little different from using the square root function on a calculator.

I don't think you are a good teacher, you are too quick to put done and belittle. But thanks for trying.

Do you even realize how incredibly rude you are being to people who are actually helping you?