bbhaag
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One of the worst parts of my job is marketing. I hate it so much....
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nakedfrog
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Not even on the back, where they usually have some kind of descriptive paragraph?
Is that because marketing is terrible?
lxskllr
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No, nothing interesting. They're trying to position them as "healthy" and "eco", but they aren't even as nutritous as potatochips. It's just a snack you'd probably be better off not eating :^D
I received maybe half a dozen bags of potato chips as an unexpected "gift" as part of an online order. Need to give them away. All that salt and processed carbs. No thanks.
Kaido
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"The bad news: Meatless burgers are heavily processed and high in saturated fat"
Impossible and Beyond: How healthy are these meatless burgers? - Harvard Health
Plant-based burgers designed to taste like meat are being marketed to vegetarians and meat-eaters alike as nutritious, earth-friendly alternatives to animal protein. How two well-known brands stack...
www.health.harvard.edu
nakedfrog
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C'mon, lab grown meat!
...aaaaaand then we find out whatever the issue is with lab grown meat after a decade or two.
...aaaaaand then we find out whatever the issue is with lab grown meat after a decade or two.
Kaido
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Brave Robot makes lactose-free, hormone-free ice cream:
The Story of How Our Animal-Free Protein ProFerm™ was Created
In early 2014, our cofounders, Ryan and Perumal, were struggling new vegans frustrated by the lackluster experience of dairy alternatives.
perfectday.com
1. Tastes just like lactose-free ice cream (cloned & lab-grown)
2. Still can't have it if you're allergic to dairy
3. Vegans can eat it because it's animal-free dairy
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lxskllr
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Looks pretty comparable beef aside from salt. "Highly processed food" is a nebulous term, and I don't think it has much meaning, much less agreement on definition. Until someone can point to a technique or ingredient that's proven harmful to health, I route "highly processed food" to /dev/null."The bad news: Meatless burgers are heavily processed and high in saturated fat"
Impossible and Beyond: How healthy are these meatless burgers? - Harvard Health
Plant-based burgers designed to taste like meat are being marketed to vegetarians and meat-eaters alike as nutritious, earth-friendly alternatives to animal protein. How two well-known brands stack...
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That said, I'm a little ambivalent regarding burgers that mimic meat. I can't say I really enjoy them more than 'veggie burgers' that are nothing like beef. I get fake beef burgers occasionally as a change of pace, but I could live without them.
That's food that is stripped of anything healthy and instead contains only macros (like carbs, proteins and fats) with some added preservatives and other chemicals/flavors etc.
Eating such food as part of a good diet won't have much effect on health but if someone is spending the majority of their grocery budget on such food without eating any "live" food like fresh fruits, veggies etc., the first thing they will miss out on is fiber and the other thing is essential minerals and vitamins. So there is a good chance of such food leading to cancer or other degenerative diseases if it forms a major part of anyone's diet.
lxskllr
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I haven't seen that officially defined anywhere. All I ever see is hand wavy highly processed food like the linked article says. The fake beef is almost exactly like real beef aside from higher salt. So higher salt is "highly processed"? I don't think so, and those salt numbers are come real close to each other once the real beef is fully prepared. It's just a nonsense term that gets thrown around, and has no meaning. Meaning is produced by the listener, and has no basis in fact.
Processed Foods: What You Should Know
Processed foods refer to food that’s changed from its natural state. Some are more nutritious than others. Learn about how these foods affect your health.
www.webmd.com
If "official definition" means something at the FDA level, well, that's not gonna happen coz then the entire food manufacturing industry goes poof if the government starts saying that this food isn't good for health. Maybe an extremely pro-human (or pro-population or pro-masses) government would do that but not most current governments in the world right now.
lxskllr
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Again, it provides no data. "Highly processed foods are bad." "Why?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's meaningless until they can point to an ingredient or process that's harmful. Cocoa Pebbles are worse for you than boiled wheat. Yea, no shit. That has little to do with the processing. That's incidental. The problem is they're selling dessert as a breakfast food. Cocoa Pebbles are fine if you're eating them as a dessert. It's actually a pretty good choice since they add vitamins and stuff. That's more than pie or ice cream does.
TV dinners could be construed as "highly processed" There's nothing wrong with them(until proven otherwise). It's frozen food prepared for the customer so the customer doesn't have to do the exact fucking thing to prepare the food for themselves.
Then we go back to the article. "Fake meat is highly processed"(and make no mistake. That's a loaded term). They then proceed to say it's exactly the fucking same as real beef. It's bullshit, and part of the "wellness"(another bullshit term) fad. It gives idiots a word to latch onto without having any idea of what it means, because it means nothing.
It's meaningless until they can point to an ingredient or process that's harmful. Cocoa Pebbles are worse for you than boiled wheat. Yea, no shit. That has little to do with the processing. That's incidental. The problem is they're selling dessert as a breakfast food. Cocoa Pebbles are fine if you're eating them as a dessert. It's actually a pretty good choice since they add vitamins and stuff. That's more than pie or ice cream does.
TV dinners could be construed as "highly processed" There's nothing wrong with them(until proven otherwise). It's frozen food prepared for the customer so the customer doesn't have to do the exact fucking thing to prepare the food for themselves.
Then we go back to the article. "Fake meat is highly processed"(and make no mistake. That's a loaded term). They then proceed to say it's exactly the fucking same as real beef. It's bullshit, and part of the "wellness"(another bullshit term) fad. It gives idiots a word to latch onto without having any idea of what it means, because it means nothing.
lxskllr
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Here's some "highly processed food" from my very own freezer. It's identical to what normal people 10 years ago just called "food".
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I guess the forum doesn't show images anymore. Just imagine some normal food that normal people eat, then call it highly processed.
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offsite link...
postimg.cc
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I guess the forum doesn't show images anymore. Just imagine some normal food that normal people eat, then call it highly processed.
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offsite link...
IMG 20250318 212836840 — Postimages
My personal definition of processed food is stuff with minimum or devoid of, micro-nutrients and phytochemicals.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Let's take honey as an example. Real organic honey has trace amounts of vitamins and proteolytic enzymes in it. "Processed" honey is just clinically "clean" fructose and glucose mashed up together.
I also assign value to the "age" of a food. If it's been frozen for a year in some refrigerator, it's more processed or less nutritious than something that was recently slaughtered and kept in cold storage to prevent degradation.
To actually find out the differences scientifically, that would be a huge undertaking. Maybe there are studies like that out there. Maybe not. I just prefer to think that less old food is better because that's what most of our ancestors had. I'm also biased a bit because I read the book "Enzymes: The Fountain of Life".
List of micronutrients - Wikipedia
List of phytochemicals in food - Wikipedia
Let's take honey as an example. Real organic honey has trace amounts of vitamins and proteolytic enzymes in it. "Processed" honey is just clinically "clean" fructose and glucose mashed up together.
I also assign value to the "age" of a food. If it's been frozen for a year in some refrigerator, it's more processed or less nutritious than something that was recently slaughtered and kept in cold storage to prevent degradation.
To actually find out the differences scientifically, that would be a huge undertaking. Maybe there are studies like that out there. Maybe not. I just prefer to think that less old food is better because that's what most of our ancestors had. I'm also biased a bit because I read the book "Enzymes: The Fountain of Life".
Regarding salt, I had my friend follow the Rice Diet for three months straight because he got a diagnosis of diabetes and he was afraid of having to depend on drugs for the rest of his life. One requirement of that diet is almost no salt. You can have just a pinch of salt per day otherwise you are violating the diet and it won't work. He followed it to the letter. He went to the doc after three months and was told that his diabetes has gone into "remission".
But he was even more surprised when he saw his blood pressure readings at the clinic. He had been suffering from high blood pressure for the past several years. Suddenly, his blood pressure readings were normal. So at least one way processed food is bad is due to too much unnecessary salt in it. And if you are used to eating a lot of salty food, healthier food with less salt will taste bland to your taste buds and that's how a lot of people become chronically ill for the rest of their lives and dependent on blood pressure medications.
But he was even more surprised when he saw his blood pressure readings at the clinic. He had been suffering from high blood pressure for the past several years. Suddenly, his blood pressure readings were normal. So at least one way processed food is bad is due to too much unnecessary salt in it. And if you are used to eating a lot of salty food, healthier food with less salt will taste bland to your taste buds and that's how a lot of people become chronically ill for the rest of their lives and dependent on blood pressure medications.
Your blood group must be different to mine and my friend's maybe? Mine is B+ and his is A+. And also, genetic differences.
lxskllr
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:shrugs: I don't even know what my blood type is. I guess I should probably know that. I'll have to dig up my last blood test results, and see if it says on there.
Kaido
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Take a 200mg chelated magnesium tablet before bed every night & see if that helps! (OTC) I was living off electrolyte drinks 24/7 before my doctor put me on that.
Kaido
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I went through phases: (in order)
* Sugar = bad
* Processed foods = bad
* Macros = good
* Ultra-processed foods = in moderation
My current approach is omnivore macros with a tilt towards whole foods. Still love me a Whopper & a Snickers bar!
Kaido
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You just need Reese's Pro Plus!
The whole seruies is amazing lol:
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65" TV for $300?
Weren't these like ... $3,000?
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