Point of view gforce fx5800 128mb

[jim1976]

I have bought this one. What do you think is a good choice. And what about point of view? Is it a good brand or not?
Finally can anyone advice me if i should change it for the ati radeon 9800 pro and give something more cause i can still change it or is it ok? Thankz everyone

 

[Lonyo]

Brand? You confused me there.
Lots of different people make GF FX's, Gainward, Terratec and others.

How much did you pay for the card? You can get a 9800Pro by Visiontek from CompUSA for $300 after rebate, which is probably the best deal around at the moment, although whether its worth it depends on how much you paid for your current card.

 

[Schadenfroh]

there is no reason to upgrade a 5800, expecially if you can o/c to ultra levels

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
there is no reason to upgrade a 5800, expecially if you can o/c to ultra levels

 

[jim1976]

Ihave paid 400 euros for this one. Radeon 9800pro costs 500-520 euros here in Greece. Doyou think it worths the money or should i change it?
Also i visited nvidia's website and there was no special review on the card. Why is that??? Only 5200,5600 and 5900!!

 

[kylebisme]

nvidia has this complex about wanting to be top dog, so when the 5800 didn't do that scraped it real quick for the 5900 which at least comes closer. that is why you don't see it mentioned on their site, but it is still a decent card it just has some issues with shader performace and is a bit slow with anti-ailising as well. personaly, i like what the 9800 has to offer a lot better and would spend the extra cash for it in your spot; or even the 9700 would be more to my likeing.

 

[gagaliya]

definitly switch it back for 9800 pro, or even a better choice fx 5900 (ultra).

fx5800 is pretty much oboselete, it's loud as hell and has 128bit memory bottleneck

 

[Lonyo]

A 9800 non-pro might be more around the price range of the 5800, and will offer better performance.
It may also get quite close to 9800Pro speeds, so if you can get a 9800 non-pro for around ?400, that's probably the best option, but the 9800Pro is probably a better option than 5800.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: gagaliya

fx5800 is pretty much oboselete, it's loud as hell and has 128bit memory bottleneck

It's not that much of a bottleneck - the memory does run at 1 GHz.

 

[modedepe]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: gagaliya

fx5800 is pretty much oboselete, it's loud as hell and has 128bit memory bottleneck

It's not that much of a bottleneck - the memory does run at 1 GHz.

It still becomes at bottleneck at high resolutions, and does make it slower than 9700/9800 at those resolutions since they have the 256bit memory. I see that as the only reason you'd want to upgrade. But if you don't usually run at the highest resolutions I think it would be an ok card to keep.

 

[grabadude]

FX 5800 a good card, keep it. Don't buy Ati cards, too many problems.

 

[gagaliya]

how could you stand the noise of that thing?!?!?

 

[FearoftheNight]

I think he has a non ultra.

 

[nRollo]

fx5800 is pretty much oboselete, it's loud as hell and has 128bit memory bottleneck

how could you stand the noise of that thing?!?!?

How can you post so much misinformation, Gagaliya????? You've never even seen a 5800, have you? What do you have in your box, BTW?

Here's some REAL information for you Jim1976, from someone who had a 5800 reg and has a 9800Pro:
The reason to upgrade to a 9800 Pro would be to run higher levels of AA/AF. If this is important to you, ATI 9700> or nVidia 5900 is the way to go these days.
The 5800 is a great card as well, it's performance at stock speeds would be at the level of a 9700np, I've never heard of one that didn't OC to Ultra speed, in which case they offer about 9700p/9800np performance. They're faster at non-AA/AF, a bit slower at setting like 4X/8X.
As you've probably noticed, they're not loud, Gagliya is referring to the FlowFX cooling solution of the Ultras. (which actually first showed up on an Aopen Ti4600 as OTES cooling I believe)
Doom3 looks like it will run much faster on a 5800 as well.
I'm annoyed nVidia removed the 5800 from their website as well, it's one of the reasons I sold the card. (the other is they pissed me off further by not answering my inquiries about it)

The 5800 would run all my games at 4X8X fine except UT2003.

Just search FX5800 review on Google and you'll find reviews.

 

[Corporate Thug]

should you upgrade? no
why would someone upgrade? cuz the 9800 pro is still quite a bit faster than the 5800 ultra. heck, the 9700 pro is faster too.

 

[nRollo]

cuz the 9800 pro is still quite a bit faster than the 5800 ultra. heck, the 9700 pro is faster too.

Hmm. Let's see about that Shady.

FX5800U faster than 9700P at 8 of 9 D3d benches w/o AA or AF
Ouch. That doesn't really back up what you say.

FX5800U faster than 9700P at 6 of 9 Open GL benches w/o AA/AF
So w/o AA/AF, the 5800U is faster at 14 of 18 benchmarks. That doesn't seem at all like a 9700 Pro is "faster". (kind of the opposite?)

The 9700Ps claim to fame has always been efficient AA/AF, so let's see how much "faster" it is!

WTF? The 5800U is STILL on top for 6/9 D3d 4X/8X benches!
Could Shady be wrong in his assumption the 9700Pro is "faster"? How about the three the 5800U lost? Well you wouldn't play UT2003 at 1600X12 4X8X, so that's kind of moot. The question is would a user be able to tell the difference between an average of 108fps and 126fps, or 75fps and 89fps? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Not exactly "blowing away" the 5800U.

The 9700Pro finally (barely) wins 6/9 in 4x/8X Open GL benches
With the possible exception of the RTCW 16X12, there's not a bench on this page you'd know the difference on.

What about Doom 3? That's going to be a popular game....
Ouch. The 5800U beats the 9800P 20-30% across the board?

2/3 at 4X/8X too

Now what the heck is going on here Shady?! You just told the world in general the 9700 Pro is a "faster" card than a 5800Ultra, and I just linked you to the 5800 Ultra beating the 9700P in 28/42 benchmarks. The 5800U won TWICE as many, and the ones the 9700P won weren't by much usually.

So I think I've made a decent case the 5800U offers comparable performance to a 9700Pro?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: gagaliya
definitly switch it back for 9800 pro, or even a better choice fx 5900 (ultra).

fx5800 is pretty much oboselete, it's loud as hell and has 128bit memory bottleneck

LMAO! WTF is oboselete? My 5800ultra is very noisy in 3D mode, however, I wear closed ear Sennheiser headphones when gaming so it may as well be dead silent I can't figure out why everyone makes such an issue of it's noise unless they are some goober who does nothing but benchmark all day

I presume that I'm not the only one who either wears HP's or cranks the sound up on their speakers while gaming. Also, in 2D it's very quite and I downclocked 2D settings so it runs as cool and quite as can be. As to the performance, it's very good and the FlowFX is effective at removing heat from my system, my temps dropped as much as 3-4c when gaming for extended periods compared to my 4200ti being installed. If I would have had to pay what it sold for new I would have chose another card but I haggled the seller down so that it cost less than a 5800 making it a good deal IMO.

While I certainly agree the 5800ultra was a failure because it's price/performance ratio was not competitive and it is loud in 3D mode which is an issue for many, I really like this card and don't feel like it's obsolete at all when I'm playing games with it

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: gagaliya
how could you stand the noise of that thing?!?!?

wanna sit at my computer with my dual tornado fans that are rated 55db per fan?

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

cuz the 9800 pro is still quite a bit faster than the 5800 ultra. heck, the 9700 pro is faster too.

Hmm. Let's see about that Shady.

FX5800U faster than 9700P at 8 of 9 D3d benches w/o AA or AF
Ouch. That doesn't really back up what you say.

FX5800U faster than 9700P at 6 of 9 Open GL benches w/o AA/AF
So w/o AA/AF, the 5800U is faster at 14 of 18 benchmarks. That doesn't seem at all like a 9700 Pro is "faster". (kind of the opposite?)

The 9700Ps claim to fame has always been efficient AA/AF, so let's see how much "faster" it is!

WTF? The 5800U is STILL on top for 6/9 D3d 4X/8X benches!
Could Shady be wrong in his assumption the 9700Pro is "faster"? How about the three the 5800U lost? Well you wouldn't play UT2003 at 1600X12 4X8X, so that's kind of moot. The question is would a user be able to tell the difference between an average of 108fps and 126fps, or 75fps and 89fps? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Not exactly "blowing away" the 5800U.

The 9700Pro finally (barely) wins 6/9 in 4x/8X Open GL benches
With the possible exception of the RTCW 16X12, there's not a bench on this page you'd know the difference on.

What about Doom 3? That's going to be a popular game....
Ouch. The 5800U beats the 9800P 20-30% across the board?

2/3 at 4X/8X too

Now what the heck is going on here Shady?! You just told the world in general the 9700 Pro is a "faster" card than a 5800Ultra, and I just linked you to the 5800 Ultra beating the 9700P in 28/42 benchmarks. The 5800U won TWICE as many, and the ones the 9700P won weren't by much usually.

So I think I've made a decent case the 5800U offers comparable performance to a 9700Pro?

ok rollo, maybe i made a misinformed statement but i'm not gonna make this a BFG vs rollo thread. the 5800 ultra beats the 9700 pro by 10%, YAY! 6-7 months AFTER the 9700 pro was released, nvidia is able to offer a card that performs 10% better with a much bigger price tag AND as a bonus it'll make your ears bleed

EDIT
http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=55000271

9700 pro beats it in all 4x/4x benchies and all but a few 0x/0x benchies

from firing squad: From a pure performance perspective, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra is not the performance champion we were lead to believe it would be back in November. Sure, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra wins its fair share of benchmarks (especially in non-AA situations), but for the most part ATI?s RADEON 9700 PRO was able to keep up with, our outperform it once the visuals were really cranked up a few notches.




5800 ultra losing to 9700 pro in ut2003 benchies with AA/FSAA

The GeForce FX is fast, it clocks in the fastest 3Dmark2001SE scores we?ve seen for any card running at stock speeds, it runs UT2003 and any other game at the highest possible frame rates, provided you don?t touch that anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering dial. However, once we turn on all the features to improve the image quality the GeForce FX quickly loses ground to ATi?s Radeon 9700 Pro.

Rollo, it is obvious that we all have our own personal preferences. I have used ATi and nvidia cards and by no means am i dissapointed in Nvidia as a whole. infact, i think the video card i'm gonna use in a system i'm building for a friend is gonna be a 5800 non ultra. ALL of the budget systems i have built had ti4200s in them and the card i had in my rig was a 4200 before i upgraded. which card is better a 5800 ultra or a 9700 pro? obviously different sites have different opinions and conflicting benchies. however, we much keep in mind that even if the 5800 ultra is 10% faster like anandtech said, it took 6-7 months AFTER the 9700 pro was released to accomplish this. like i said, i like nvidia but 6-7 months to accomplish 10% with a vacuum cleaner for a cooling system is not acceptable by my standards

 

[nRollo]

Shady, I don't dispute the fact that the 9700Pro is an all around better card. (except maybe for D3)
I just wanted to point out that you can't just say the "9700 is faster" because the performance is pretty comparable. I can come up with other benches that show it faster, I can come up with ones that show the 9700Pro faster, and when that's the case, usually you have functionally equivalent cards.

The name "BFG" must not be brought up;however, seeing it made me go into berserk mode.....
just kidding

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Shady, I don't dispute the fact that the 9700Pro is an all around better card. (except maybe for D3)
I just wanted to point out that you can't just say the "9700 is faster" because the performance is pretty comparable. I can come up with other benches that show it faster, I can come up with ones that show the 9700Pro faster, and when that's the case, usually you have functionally equivalent cards.

The name "BFG" must not be brought up;however, seeing it made me go into berserk mode.....
just kidding

fair enough

 

Listen to yourselves... How utterly dumb of you both to argue about something like this.
The only thing you offered to this forum was the entertainment value of your, shall we say, pissiness.
Grown ups in nursery school..

How I tire of this pissy type.

Gnight folks.
I'll be here all week.
GM

 

[nRollo]

How utterly dumb of you both to argue about something like this.

Gorilla,
You may not have noticed, but every other post in this forum is just a comparison of the benchmarks and features of one card vs. another?

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: gorillaman
Listen to yourselves... How utterly dumb of you both to argue about something like this.
The only thing you offered to this forum was the entertainment value of your, shall we say, pissiness.
Grown ups in nursery school..

How I tire of this pissy type.

Gnight folks.
I'll be here all week.
GM

Did you bother to see all the linkies Rollo and Shady gave us?? Did you even bother clicking them? We are pretty much NEUTRAL in this forum with a couple rare hardhats, but the rest of us either WANT information, or WANT TO SHARE their information with us. Arguing is just a small prize to get a point across.

 

[stardust]

I personally think you should keep the GeforceFX 5800 non-Ultra, there isn't a huge difference between that card and the 9700 and as you stated, it is the most affordable out of them for you. Everytime you buy a card, you win some, and then you lose some.