Point of Airport Security

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: spidey07
Liquids were found to be used in bombs that blew up planes as well as intelligence that more liquids were going to be used to blow up more planes - that's why.

As far as I recall, they never found any liquids to be used in bombs. They found discussions between people planning on blowing up planes on whether there would be a way to use liquids you could bring (or sneak) on a plane to make a practical weapon.

Philippine Airlines Flight 434

 

[IceBergSLiM]

You don't need liquids or metals to fly a plane into buildings so i'm not really sure the answer to that.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao
The point is to provide travelers with the illusion of security. That and annoy the shit out of everyone.

/thread

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
It's retarded. I was at an airport and they asked the people as they walked through on an honor system do you have anything in your pockets such as matches/lighter or liquids.

I'll be honest. I stepped through with eyedrops and didn't say anything.

It's a dumb unenforceable system that they decided to employ that doesn't solve anything. I suppose once they get those X-ray systems where they just see through your clothes then airport security might work. Wait they already have those huh? Isn't it an option to go through one of those instead of a strip search?

I'm diabetic and board every flight with at least one bottle of juice. A few terrorists would just have to pack diabetic kits along with their juice-colored explosive liquid and they'd be good to go.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: KentState
What I want to know is what's the point of going through security again before leaving the airport on an international flight and having to throw away bottled water? Plus you have to pick up your bags at two separate claim areas.

That's immigration, not "security".

MotionMan

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: LS21
the taking out of laptop is to prevent other metallic items not to obscure the laptop... if you have it in a sleeve its okay

They always make me take it out of the sleeve after I already take the whole thing out of my bag.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: ElFenix
seems to vary a lot by airport as well. may have to do with the type of traffic that flies in and out. at houston hobby i said i had medically necessarily saline (contact lens solution) and they didn't give a rat's ass. in vegas they pulled out some giant sniffer machine and cotton swabs to determine if it really was contact lens solution.

Inconsistency really messes things up. It's a flaw to our nation's security and makes me question why half of these regulations are in place. I remember someone talked about checking in firearms and how it varies from airport to airport where even if you pack it 100% legally you could get a pass or you could get totally screwed.

A while ago I had to do two consecutive one day trips out of the same airport. The procedures they followed on day two were different than on day one, in particular whether I had to take off my belt and watch.

On day one: Take off belt, leave on watch;
On day two: Leave on belt, take of watch.



MotionMan

 

[Zolty]

If they really wanted to make it secure all they have to do is put an undercover air marshal on each flight. Go back to pre-TSA screenings and keep cockpit doors locked during flight. The worst that could happen is a plane gets blown up, without any sort of demands, and that is unlikely.

 

[MotionMan]

Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

 

[Zolty]

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

I bet people would share the overhead compartments better...

MotionMan

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

So..., standard issue for an Air Marshall -- knife?

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

They always make me take it out of the sleeve after I already take the whole thing out of my bag.

TSA are poorly trained

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

I wish people would stop spouting the decompression myth. Unless you blow out a hole the size of a window (i.e., 1 ft^3 or more) while cruising at 35,000 feet, nothing is going to happen. A single bullet is not going to decompress a cabin.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
You don't need liquids or metals to fly a plane into buildings so i'm not really sure the answer to that.

What about liquid-metal?!?

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

Didn't the Mythbusters disprove that whole "explosive decompression" thing?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

They always make me take it out of the sleeve after I already take the whole thing out of my bag.

TSA are poorly trained

And have been known to power-trip.

MotionMan

 

[Saulbadguy]

The terrorists won.

 

[Baked]

Strip search the hotties?

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: LS21

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

They always make me take it out of the sleeve after I already take the whole thing out of my bag.

TSA are poorly trained

And have been known to power-trip.

MotionMan

In follow-up to my own post, I have seen airport police tell TSA's to chill out and knock off being jerks when they were hassling passengers.

MotionMan

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Ns1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Zolty

Originally posted by: MotionMan
Give every passenger a gun or hunting knife when they board. No security screening necessary. Problem solved.

MotionMan

Gun no, decompression is not fun, knife maybe but be prepared for people to cut themselves.

Repeat after me: "Real life is not like the movies. Planes do not catastrophically decompress from handgun bullets puncturing the fuselage."

Mythbusters, episode 10.

As for airport security itself, it's a joke. It provides almost zero meaningful security for passengers.

ZV

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: ElFenix
seems to vary a lot by airport as well. may have to do with the type of traffic that flies in and out. at houston hobby i said i had medically necessarily saline (contact lens solution) and they didn't give a rat's ass. in vegas they pulled out some giant sniffer machine and cotton swabs to determine if it really was contact lens solution.

Inconsistency really messes things up. It's a flaw to our nation's security and makes me question why half of these regulations are in place. I remember someone talked about checking in firearms and how it varies from airport to airport where even if you pack it 100% legally you could get a pass or you could get totally screwed.

A while ago I had to do two consecutive one day trips out of the same airport. The procedures they followed on day two were different than on day one, in particular whether I had to take off my belt and watch.

On day one: Take off belt, leave on watch;
On day two: Leave on belt, take of watch.



MotionMan

That's actually not a bad idea. You're planning an attack and in your scouting attempt they check your belt but not your wristwatch. So you hide a tiny explosive charge in your wrist watch thinking you'll decompress the cabin or something and go back to the airport. Now they check your watch and oh shit they caught you. Now you can't plan any more ways to get past security since you'll be rotting in gitmo for the rest of your life. Mixing up what is checked is a good way to not check for everything and take up more time than is practical but still have reasonable security.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: ElFenix
seems to vary a lot by airport as well. may have to do with the type of traffic that flies in and out. at houston hobby i said i had medically necessarily saline (contact lens solution) and they didn't give a rat's ass. in vegas they pulled out some giant sniffer machine and cotton swabs to determine if it really was contact lens solution.

Inconsistency really messes things up. It's a flaw to our nation's security and makes me question why half of these regulations are in place. I remember someone talked about checking in firearms and how it varies from airport to airport where even if you pack it 100% legally you could get a pass or you could get totally screwed.

A while ago I had to do two consecutive one day trips out of the same airport. The procedures they followed on day two were different than on day one, in particular whether I had to take off my belt and watch.

On day one: Take off belt, leave on watch;
On day two: Leave on belt, take of watch.



MotionMan

That's actually not a bad idea. You're planning an attack and in your scouting attempt they check your belt but not your wristwatch. So you hide a tiny explosive charge in your wrist watch thinking you'll decompress the cabin or something and go back to the airport. Now they check your watch and oh shit they caught you. Now you can't plan any more ways to get past security since you'll be rotting in gitmo for the rest of your life. Mixing up what is checked is a good way to not check for everything and take up more time than is practical but still have reasonable security.

Yeah, I am sure that is why they did it. :roll:

In any event, there are other better examples that show that the TSA is simply poorly trained and are not really sure what they are suppose to be doing.

MotionMan

 

[sourceninja]

Screw blowing up a plane. The long lines at the security seems like a better place, tons of people all sitting, waiting, and ready for some kind of horrible death in the name of terror.


Great, now I'm on a watch list. Although honestly, a busy restaurant and some bio agents in the pepper would probably work better.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu

Originally posted by: MotionMan

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: ElFenix
seems to vary a lot by airport as well. may have to do with the type of traffic that flies in and out. at houston hobby i said i had medically necessarily saline (contact lens solution) and they didn't give a rat's ass. in vegas they pulled out some giant sniffer machine and cotton swabs to determine if it really was contact lens solution.

Inconsistency really messes things up. It's a flaw to our nation's security and makes me question why half of these regulations are in place. I remember someone talked about checking in firearms and how it varies from airport to airport where even if you pack it 100% legally you could get a pass or you could get totally screwed.

A while ago I had to do two consecutive one day trips out of the same airport. The procedures they followed on day two were different than on day one, in particular whether I had to take off my belt and watch.

On day one: Take off belt, leave on watch;
On day two: Leave on belt, take of watch.



MotionMan

That's actually not a bad idea. You're planning an attack and in your scouting attempt they check your belt but not your wristwatch. So you hide a tiny explosive charge in your wrist watch thinking you'll decompress the cabin or something and go back to the airport. Now they check your watch and oh shit they caught you. Now you can't plan any more ways to get past security since you'll be rotting in gitmo for the rest of your life. Mixing up what is checked is a good way to not check for everything and take up more time than is practical but still have reasonable security.

Yeah, I am sure that is why they did it. :roll:

In any event, there are other better examples that show that the TSA is simply poorly trained and are not really sure what they are suppose to be doing.

MotionMan

Yea, I don't doubt they're probably pretty terrible (I don't fly so I don't know first hand). Just felt like pointing out that mixing up security measures was actually a good idea.