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shortylickens

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It's not that simple though, is it? We've had "Big and Tall" clothing retailers like Casual Male charge an additional 50% markup on plus size clothes for years, mostly because department stores didn't carry them in stock.

Internet retailers are probably helping to put that shady practice out of business, since Amazon has space in their warehouse to store all the sizes.
I did not say it was that simple.
It takes a shitload of learning to understand these things. and most of them are counter-intuitive.
I've had 4 econ classes at George Mason. One of them was supposed to be under a Nobel prize winning economist. but the piece of shit substituted a TA at the last minute. We never even met him.
Once you get a nobel prize colleges basically throw money and hookers at you for life.
 

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My dilemma, at this point. Have an appointment Sep. one to have my left knee looked at. I already had the inner meniscus removed a few years back. The knee lets me know, more and more lately, that it doesn't like my walks to the point I only do them every other day. I really don't want a new knee but I'm not going to avoid it if it's the only way I can remain active. Yep, golden years my ass.

If you have a place to ride/store E-Bikes are amazing. I used them extensively to rehab from Covid. I know lots of people with bad knees that use them to take off some of the edge on climbs/inclines and it lets them ride much longer than they normally would.
 

Aikouka

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What I am trying to point out is that making major life changes is close to impossible for most people. It requires that you build a support network to reward positive behavior and discourage negative behavior. Our society actively works to undermine such support networks. It actively encourages the worst behaviors while punishing the positive ones.

This is not just about losing weight or getting fit. We see this in nearly every single situation where someone needs to make a major life change. Most fail, repeatedly, even with professional help, even when it is forced on them by circumstances out of their control. The patterns of our life are so ingrained in our concept of ourselves that changing them requires that we change who we are. That is something much more fundamental then just being lazy.

I've usually interpreted the main issue with weight loss as a mental problem. Two of the things that I push are..

1. Focus on the macro not the micro. In other words, do not weigh yourself. People get too obsessed with the scale, and it ends up hurting them as they weigh themselves far too often thinking they'll see changes every day. I prefer focusing on things that are representative of long-term changes such as clothing. Do your pants feel a bit more loose? Do your shirts feel a bit better? Can you tighten your belt a bit more?

2. You don't have to completely upend your diet. I think one problem that people have is it's hard to give up the foods that taste good as they're often to unhealthy one. Some people solve this problem with a cheat day, but I don't think there's harm in getting an arguably unhealthy meal if you consider its calorie count and how that fits into the rest of your day. (Also, it really helps if the restaurant has other options with reduced portion sizes!!!) Although, one area where I hold steadfast is removing all sugary drinks. Unless you can keep your serving size to a single can (i.e. not the 42 fl. oz. cups that we get), it's just too many calories per meal. (I'd argue that the single can is borderline too much.) You might also find yourself not wanting as much food after you get used to smaller portions!

Some of that may seem a bit contra to the typical advice, but I think if you can gradually adjust someone's mentality to focus more on a better diet, then you can get long-lasting change. I think some people have no problem just flipping that switch and going head-first into a diet and exercise, but others need some help adjusting. It also doesn't help that if you take the slow approach that your losses will also be slower, so that's why I prefer avoiding scales.

I've actually been doing the above, and I used the same methodology a few years back to lose weight. It did work back then... well, until I just kind of stopped doing it. Although, things are going well again. The other day, my doctor said I lost 10 pounds over a month, which I was kind of hoping was going to be around 15 or so, but to be fair, I haven't been doing as well on #2 as I think I should be. All those years ago, I'd literally just eat chicken breast(s) for dinner, and that's it; however, since it's not just me anymore, I haven't had a ton of control over that sort of thing. I've been tempted to just start making separate meals for myself to help stay on track.

If we want to have a more healthy society we need to build one that supports healthy life patterns and instill that in people when they are young, so that they build self identity that includes healthy lifestyles.

One issue that I've seen with kids is just never being willing to take accountability for change. I usually just hear complaints about being unhappy with how things are, but never any willingness to change it. This affects aspects even outside of diets and weight. One other aspect that I push (even with myself) is to never cut corners. Cutting corners or being lazy is what gets you into the mess in the first place. (Excuses are another no-no.)

One thing that I've been doing is trying to get rid of concepts like dessert every night or always eating snacks. I'd be much more lenient on those two things, but my problem is that they aren't active enough to even warrant the extra calories. Sitting in front of the computer/console ain't burning calories. (Well, it does, but you know what I mean. :p)
 
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I couldn't believe it when I went to Whataburger the other day and ordered a Whatameal and when they asked me to super size it I said no but still got a 32 ounce Coke when they handed me my food. I told them they gave me the wrong size and they said that's the regular Coke so I asked them for a small instead. Freaking small is 20 ounces. And they call a kids size 16 ounce.
I'm sure this will change eventually, but I'm so glad my 5 year-old won't drink anything besides white milk and water. I was definitely hard on soda and juice at her age, finally kicked the soda 16 years ago, but drank an insane amount before then.
 

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That doesn't really seem fair, does it? A 4X t-shirt probably needs 3 times more cloth than an XS... why should it cost the same?

I guess that the material doesn't really matter all that much, as almost everything at Old Navy is made in an Asian sweatshop. The cost of goods sold probably varies from $2.50 to $3.50.
I've seen price differences for sizes 3x and above several times (online for novelty type). Fortunately, I only wore 3x tees for a few fat years.
 

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Better to have ugly fat around your joints then a ugly mind like yours.


This statement says more about you then it does about anyone else. Your misogynistic viewpoint on life, your appearances first mentality, your inability comprehend anyone outside of your experience, and your innate insecurity which you demonstrated by your general need to feel superior to your fellow human beings.


Working hard there while posting shit on the internet, eh?

You are just projecting your own laziness on everyone else. Most people work far harder then you ever will.

If you are interpreting my response as being personal to you I wasn't, I was using "you" in a general context. If you feel offended by it I perhaps it hit a nerve, I don't know. If you want to dispute the health comments of mine you referenced about the effects of being morbidly obese please feel free to reply with some data that says being overweight is good for your joints, heart, or overall health and I'll be sure to read it.
 

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I'm sure this will change eventually, but I'm so glad my 5 year-old won't drink anything besides white milk and water. I was definitely hard on soda and juice at her age, finally kicked the soda 16 years ago, but drank an insane amount before then.

You know one issue that I ran into that's a bit more clandestine in regard to drink sizes... caffeine intake. I've drank diet sodas for a long time, and I know there's plenty of discussion to be had about whether they're truly a healthier option. While they have no calories, they do often have caffeine. Typically, I drink either Coke Zero (54mg per 12 fl. oz.) or Pepsi Zero/Max (69mg per 12 fl. oz.), and the problem really rears its ugly head when you consider how much I would consume. I'd drink a can of Pepsi Zero in the morning, go to Taco Bell for a small meal with a 32 oz Pepsi Max (little ice, no refill), drink a can of Coke Zero in the afternoon, and then drink more soda at home. (I would alternate 2L bottles between the two.) If you tally this up, I'm likely hitting around 300-500mg of caffeine per day. :eek:

My doctor told me that my blood pressure was too high (typically around 140/90), and she wanted to prescribe some medication; however, I asked, "What if I just cut out all caffeine?" It wasn't really until after that when I tallied everything up that I realized just how much caffeine that I was consuming per day. That's like drinking 2-3 cans of Monster Energy Drink per day!
 
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That doesn't really seem fair, does it? A 4X t-shirt probably needs 3 times more cloth than an XS... why should it cost the same?

I guess that the material doesn't really matter all that much, as almost everything at Old Navy is made in an Asian sweatshop. The cost of goods sold probably varies from $2.50 to $3.50.

By your logic, why shouldn't a XS or S cost less than a large? It's not fair that petite people have to pay the same cost as tall people.
The answer is that it all cost the same to the consumer and the variation in material cost is accounted for when the manufacturer builds out estimated sales models.
 

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One issue that I've seen with kids is just never being willing to take accountability for change. I usually just hear complaints about being unhappy with how things are, but never any willingness to change it. This affects aspects even outside of diets and weight. One other aspect that I push (even with myself) is to never cut corners. Cutting corners or being lazy is what gets you into the mess in the first place. (Excuses are another no-no.)

One thing that I've been doing is trying to get rid of concepts like dessert every night or always eating snacks. I'd be much more lenient on those two things, but my problem is that they aren't active enough to even warrant the extra calories. Sitting in front of the computer/console ain't burning calories. (Well, it does, but you know what I mean. :p)

Yeah, I'm so frustrated with society and desserts and snacks and literally throwing candy at kids. We've created sugar addicts. I literally have to lock down candy/junk food in my house or else it disappears. It's not that I'm a total authoritarian with candy/treats. It's almost a ritual after we do a lot of activity that we go out for ice cream. We do a lot of 8-10 mile mountain hikes that are 3-4 hours of activity. We get ice cream after that. If we do a long bike ride (10+ miles) we get treats that night. If we have a very healthy and veggie heavy meal that we don't get complaints from, we'll do smores or something for a treat. But "snack" is a four letter word to me at this point. Kids get so many snacks that they satiate enough to skip a real meal. Then just want more snacks to top themselves off again, and then wake up hungry in the middle of the night and go raid pantries or freezers for more fucking snacks (this happens in my house).

I'm not anti-fun. You just have to do work to get it. No such thing as a free treat to me.
 
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Yeah, I'm so frustrated with society and desserts and snacks and literally throwing candy at kids. We've created sugar addicts. I literally have to lock down candy/junk food in my house or else it disappears. It's not that I'm a total authoritarian with candy/treats. It's almost a ritual after we do a lot of activity that we go out for ice cream. We do a lot of 8-10 mile mountain hikes that are 3-4 hours of activity. We get ice cream after that. If we do a long bike ride (10+ miles) we get treats that night. If we have a very healthy and veggie heavy meal that we don't get complaints from, we'll do smores or something for a treat. But "snack" is a four letter word to me at this point. Kids get so many snacks that they satiate enough to skip a real meal. Then just want more snacks to top themselves off again, and then wake up hungry in the middle of the night and go raid pantries or freezers for more fucking snacks (this happens in my house).

I'm not anti-fun. You just have to do work to get it. No such thing as a free treat to me.
Funny! Your family sounds a lot like my family. We used to go on what the kids called "death marches in the wilds", which in reality were brisk 5-milers through the mountains. I have one kid that 's a sugar junky as you describe, and another that is generally avoidant of all junk, and he even LOVED brussels sprouts and Lima beans as a kid....a strange kid I thought.

--Myself, I don't drink beer unless I've burned enough or removed enough calories for beer as a substitution. 12-15 miles in the mountains (I mountain bike, trail ride) is more than enough for 3-4 cream stouts after the ride. I'm always looking for some hard task to do to earn a beer :)
 

Zorba

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Yeah, I'm so frustrated with society and desserts and snacks and literally throwing candy at kids. We've created sugar addicts. I literally have to lock down candy/junk food in my house or else it disappears. It's not that I'm a total authoritarian with candy/treats. It's almost a ritual after we do a lot of activity that we go out for ice cream. We do a lot of 8-10 mile mountain hikes that are 3-4 hours of activity. We get ice cream after that. If we do a long bike ride (10+ miles) we get treats that night. If we have a very healthy and veggie heavy meal that we don't get complaints from, we'll do smores or something for a treat. But "snack" is a four letter word to me at this point. Kids get so many snacks that they satiate enough to skip a real meal. Then just want more snacks to top themselves off again, and then wake up hungry in the middle of the night and go raid pantries or freezers for more fucking snacks (this happens in my house).

I'm not anti-fun. You just have to do work to get it. No such thing as a free treat to me.
Yeah, the snack thing drives me crazy. I never had snacksc at school, my daughter had two, then one when she gets to the after school program, then wants another when we pick her up. Then almost always wants another right before bed. I've realized tried to be an end to the bed time ones, but the others are hard to control.
 

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I swear that vacationing with kids is nothing other than an endless side quest of finding a bathroom or being begged for a snack.

I can feel my body tense up even saying the word "snack".
 
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When everyone is obese, no one will be. ;)

Not going to proselytize, or attempt to educate. I will share one opinion though. If you are going to exercise to make a goal weight, don't. People walk or run or lift weights, whatev. But they don't do it because they enjoy it, they do it perforce, don't. Find one or more activities you enjoy, be it alone or with others, and you will be far more likely to stick with it. I do things I have fun doing, being toight like a tiger, is ancillary.

 

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When everyone is obese, no one will be. ;)

Not going to proselytize, or attempt to educate. I will share one opinion though. If you are going to exercise to make a goal weight, don't. People walk or run or lift weights, whatev. But they don't do it because they enjoy it, they do it perforce, don't. Find one or more activities you enjoy, be it alone or with others, and you will be far more likely to stick with it. I do things I have fun doing, being toight like a tiger, is ancillary.
I didn't even set a goal weight for my weight loss (I didn't really think of it as "dieting" since I was aiming for a sustainable food intake level), I just figured I'd know when I got there. Like, I wasn't willing to give up beer or pizza just to drop a few extra pounds :D
 
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When everyone is obese, no one will be. ;)

Not going to proselytize, or attempt to educate. I will share one opinion though. If you are going to exercise to make a goal weight, don't. People walk or run or lift weights, whatev. But they don't do it because they enjoy it, they do it perforce, don't. Find one or more activities you enjoy, be it alone or with others, and you will be far more likely to stick with it. I do things I have fun doing, being toight like a tiger, is ancillary.


Exercise does not help most people with obesity. Because it increases appetite and the extra food you consume is usually the equivalent of the calories burned.

Exercise is important, however, for general physical (and mental) health. That said, I agree you should find something you enjoy doing.
 

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Even if it's not strenuous activity that is a high calorie burn, just simply getting outside and moving is better than sitting on a couch, likely with your hand in a bag of some sort of hollow calories and doing something much more positive for yourself. It's sort of the opposite of opportunity cost.

Even an hour bike ride at my kids pace (around 10mph) ends up being around 10 miles. My Garmin says my HR average was around 105bpm and I burned short of 400 calories. It was easy. I got fresh air. My kids got exercise. I spent time outside with them. And I paid for the beer calories I had at dinner.

If I do a ride at my own pace it's closer to 15mph over the same time and my HR is 130 and I burn around 600 calories. The ride with the kids isn't as strenuous but it has it's own qualities.
 
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I think one of the better recommendations I've heard from newer data is the benefit of standing up for at least 5 minutes of each hour.
 

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Slim down is easy, cut down to 1 coffee a day and no more 3x3 or 4x4. Do tons of yard work, No yard? go pick garbage by the river. Help some oldie with their houses. You will be tone and fit in no time.
 
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The ae in the URL https://www.mcdonalds.com/ae indicates that's not the US website. Go ahead and try to order a salad from your local McDonald's.


Their salads were worse nutritionally than their burgers so good riddance.

Is this thread just old men bitching about fat women?

Pretty much. Just like how the Simone Biles threads were a bunch of overweight male slobs that worship football players and drug addict musicians complaining about a strong and successful young black woman making a decision that both prioritized her own health as well as supported the team, supposedly being a bad role model and a failure that betrayed the team.

Actually not all of them are old even. Pretty sure some of the worst misogynist assholes on this forum are younger than I am.
 
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Their salads were worse nutritionally than their burgers so good riddance.



Pretty much. Just like how the Simone Biles threads were a bunch of overweight male slobs that worship football players and drug addict musicians complaining about a strong and successful young black woman making a decision that both prioritized her own health as well as supported the team, supposedly being a bad role model and a failure.
I call them infails, involuntary failures.
 
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