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GuitarDaddy

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I generally like the OP's posts, but this is some major self ownage.

1. OP posts backwards logic
2. Gets ass handed to him repeatedly
3. Scrambles, deflects and denies
4. No profit :(
 

HumblePie

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Am I the only one laughing at the title of this thread? Who else can read Brown and Plugs in the same sentence and not laugh?
 

Patranus

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I thought Biden was supposed to give Obama credibility in these matters.....
 

werepossum

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I generally like the OP's posts, but this is some major self ownage.

1. OP posts backwards logic
2. Gets ass handed to him repeatedly
3. Scrambles, deflects and denies
4. No profit :(

Gather 'round children and I shall teach you the secret of self ownage. It's all in the original article - don't read it! You can safely assume history from the current article. What could go wrong?

I still think Biden's an idiot - but granted, had I read the original article I would have laughed and moved on, politics as usual.
 

DietDrThunder

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I dunno, I think Obama chose Biden not for gravitas but as cannon fodder, sort of the ugly friend a semi-hot girl drags along to make herself seem really desirable. Pretty much anything Biden says is going to make pretty much anything Obama says sound intelligent.

I agree. He's kind of like an old Dan Quale. :D
 

CallMeJoe

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I still think Biden's an idiot - but granted, had I read the original article I would have laughed and moved on, politics as usual.
Herein lies your problem; you assume that the current Vice President is an idiot, and you filter everything you hear and read about him through that assumption. Everything is interpreted however is necessary to reinforce your bias, even if the facts directly contradict your bias.
 

werepossum

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Herein lies your problem; you assume that the current Vice President is an idiot, and you filter everything you hear and read about him through that assumption. Everything is interpreted however is necessary to reinforce your bias, even if the facts directly contradict your bias.
It would be incorrect to say I assume Biden is an idiot; I have concluded that he is an idiot based on watching him in the Senate for decades.
 

zsdersw

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Hey Joe ....... Delaware called, they want their village idiot back.

Originally Posted by CallMeJoe
How soon do you leave?

Not bad, but I would've said instead: "When, on your days off?"

Why would I leave ....... you're the one named Joe.
Last name Biden by any chance?

The last true idiot to occupy a high office was George W. Bush. Not only was he prone to gaffes (like Biden), but he was functionally and deliberately ignorant on major issues relevant to the presidency.
 

werepossum

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Biden knows more about foreign policy than Palin could scribble on a million hands, let alone hers.

Probably true, yet he retains his ability to say (and presumably think) really stupid things about foreign policy. At a time when we seem to be getting pretty good cooperation from Pakistan, Iran announces that it can now produce weapons-grade uranium. Biden then says he isn't worried about Iran, it's Pakistan that he's worried about. No matter how you feel about Pakistan, dissing such an important ally in public is flat-out stupid. It makes it harder for Pakistani leadership to justify to its citizens Pakistan's working with us. Palin hasn't done anything THAT stupid.

You can know a lot about a subject and still be an idiot, you're merely an educated idiot.
 

zsdersw

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Probably true, yet he retains his ability to say (and presumably think) really stupid things about foreign policy. At a time when we seem to be getting pretty good cooperation from Pakistan, Iran announces that it can now produce weapons-grade uranium. Biden then says he isn't worried about Iran, it's Pakistan that he's worried about. No matter how you feel about Pakistan, dissing such an important ally in public is flat-out stupid. It makes it harder for Pakistani leadership to justify to its citizens Pakistan's working with us. Palin hasn't done anything THAT stupid.

You can know a lot about a subject and still be an idiot, you're merely an educated idiot.

Pakistan and Iran aren't things you have "feelings" about. You're either in-the-know about them or you're not. Biden is.. and knows the players and the region. Palin does not.

I don't see your credentials on foreign policy to pronounce Biden an idiot for what he said. This is just a guess, but I think the VPOTUS gets access to a bit more intelligence info than you.
 

CallMeJoe

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It would be incorrect to say I assume Biden is an idiot; I have concluded that he is an idiot based on watching him in the Senate for decades.
What I saw in the Senate was an intelligent man with a too-liberal domestic policy, a great grasp of foreign policy, and an unfortunate affection for the sound of his own voice which all too often leads him to speak faster than he can think.

Probably true, yet he retains his ability to say (and presumably think) really stupid things about foreign policy. At a time when we seem to be getting pretty good cooperation from Pakistan, Iran announces that it can now produce weapons-grade uranium. Biden then says he isn't worried about Iran, it's Pakistan that he's worried about. No matter how you feel about Pakistan, dissing such an important ally in public is flat-out stupid. It makes it harder for Pakistani leadership to justify to its citizens Pakistan's working with us. Palin hasn't done anything THAT stupid.
You can know a lot about a subject and still be an idiot, you're merely an educated idiot.

Why worry about Taliban insurgents threatening the government of a nation that already has nuclear weapons when you can fear-monger about a nation that may be able to build a warhead in a dozen years or so?
I would trust Vice President Biden's grasp of international issues far more than yours, or your beloved Governor Palin's.
 

werepossum

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Stay with me on this guys, it's real simple. We very much need Pakistan's cooperation on this. Everyone knows this.

Much of the Pakistani people support the Taliban, not us. Everyone knows this.

The Pakistani government opted to support us rather than the Taliban for reasons of realpolitik. This causes them trouble at home, especially among the Pashtuns and Punjabs. Everyone knows this.

Candidate Obama disparages Pakistan and speaks big words about going into Pakistan without their approval to find OBL and other high value targets. This causes Pakistani citizens to dislike us more, pisses off Pakistani leadership, and makes it harder and less profitable for them to cooperate with us. Everyone knows this.

President Obama evidently works behind the scenes to develop a good relationship with Pakistan, so that they are once again conducting profitable joint operations with us. This is a good thing. Everyone knows this.

Biden then responds to Iran's declaration that it is now capable of enriching uranium to weapons grade by attacking Pakistan and stating that its leaders do not have a firm control of the country. This once again pisses off the Pakistanis, pisses off the Pakistani leaders, makes some Pakistanis wonder if they too should be backing the Taliban wing (to be on the wining side), and generally makes it harder and less profitable for the Pakistani leadership to work with us. Everyone knows this.

Your response is to support Biden because he obviously knows things we don't, in His Wisdom. Can you state for me a reason it makes sense to attack the stability of a much-needed ally in public that doesn't involve Bu Bu Bu Bush? Publicly attacking Pakistan does not help prevent Iran from building or deploying a bomb whether or not you think that is a valid concern. Publicly attacking Pakistan does not motivate its leaders to defy many of its citizens and cooperate with us. We can and should worry about the threat of Islamic fundamentalism taking over Pakistan, and work to lessen the likelihood of this happening, BEHIND THE SCENES. When we attack the Pakistani leadership in public, express a lack of faith in their ability to hold onto their country, we make it less likely that they actually CAN hold onto their country.

As an example, we were once approximately two weeks away (according to later press accounts) from striking Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, late 90s or early 2000's, I forget, because we feared that it was about to be taken over by radicals. The US military went and talked with the Pakistani military and expressed their concerns and the Pakistani government (or military, I forget) took steps and resolved our concerns. Not a word was in the press. I knew something had happened - some of the Pakistanis with whom I regularly corresponded had suddenly become virulently Anti-American - but I had absolutely not a clue what it might be. A couple of months passed before things returned to normal, but IIRC a couple years passed before any details of that incident leaked out. That is how adults handle foreign policy with shaky allies. Had we gone public and proclaimed our fears that radical Islamists were near seizing control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal, we might well have triggered that very thing. Had we come out and said we were thinking about striking Pakistan's nuclear arsenal before its eminent seizure by radical Islamists, we would have triggered Anti-American riots and widespread hatred at the least, making it much less likely that the Pakistani government and military could or would cooperate with us.
 

DougoMan

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You know what I want to know, is why are Republics so much hotter than Democrats?

Examples:

Brown = hot (so I hear...)

Biden = ugly

Sarah Pain = hot

Hilary = ugly

Bush daughter = hot

Chelsea Clinton = ugly

I could go on all day. What gives?
 

alphatarget1

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Biden knows more about foreign policy than Palin could scribble on a million hands, let alone hers.

Palin is probably less intelligent than Biden. However, Biden doesn't think about what he says and I would argue that his gaffes are much more damaging than what Palin could ever do.

Case in point:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124848246032580581.html

He would be a much better VP if he learns how to STFU.
 

umbrella39

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You know what I want to know, is why are Republics so much hotter than Democrats?

Examples:

Brown = hot (so I hear...)

Biden = ugly

Sarah Pain = hot

Hilary = ugly

Bush daughter = hot

Chelsea Clinton = ugly

I could go on all day. What gives?

No, keep going... you are proving something... I'm just not sure you know what that is.
 

Siddhartha

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How many of these "Mr Obama et al are do do heads" threads do not end up like this one? Where much pretty the same people agree with the OP fill the first couple of pages. And then around the 3rd page in the thread a couple of members point how the OP is wrong. The OP tries to defend himself with personal attacks.
 
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Sclamoz

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Stay with me on this guys, it's real simple. We very much need Pakistan's cooperation on this. Everyone knows this.

Much of the Pakistani people support the Taliban, not us. Everyone knows this.

The Pakistani government opted to support us rather than the Taliban for reasons of realpolitik. This causes them trouble at home, especially among the Pashtuns and Punjabs. Everyone knows this.

Candidate Obama disparages Pakistan and speaks big words about going into Pakistan without their approval to find OBL and other high value targets. This causes Pakistani citizens to dislike us more, pisses off Pakistani leadership, and makes it harder and less profitable for them to cooperate with us. Everyone knows this.

President Obama evidently works behind the scenes to develop a good relationship with Pakistan, so that they are once again conducting profitable joint operations with us. This is a good thing. Everyone knows this.

Biden then responds to Iran's declaration that it is now capable of enriching uranium to weapons grade by attacking Pakistan and stating that its leaders do not have a firm control of the country. This once again pisses off the Pakistanis, pisses off the Pakistani leaders, makes some Pakistanis wonder if they too should be backing the Taliban wing (to be on the wining side), and generally makes it harder and less profitable for the Pakistani leadership to work with us. Everyone knows this.

Uhh your memory of our relationship with Pakistani is insanely twisted, we've been having problems getting them to cooperate with us against the Taliban long before Obama and Biden came into office. Hell the money we paid them to fight the Taliban instead was spent on preparing for war with India and whenever we ask them to do something about the Taliban in their territory they demand more money.

It doesn't help that the Pakistanis view the Afghan Taliban as good guys and want them to drive out the Kuffar and separate the pakistani taliban as bad guys and think they are the creation of India/CIA/Israel.
 

zsdersw

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Can you state for me a reason it makes sense to attack the stability of a much-needed ally in public that doesn't involve Bu Bu Bu Bush?

Good cop, bad cop.

alphatarget1 said:
Palin is probably less intelligent than Biden. However, Biden doesn't think about what he says and I would argue that his gaffes are much more damaging than what Palin could ever do.

Case in point:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124848246032580581.html

He would be a much better VP if he learns how to STFU.

See above.
 

OutHouse

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Jesus and you people give Palin an hard time? biden is a complete moron and like palin is 1 heartbeat away from being POTUS. doesn't that scare anybody?