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raildogg

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Why do you like Zarqawi so much?

Be glad that FDR isn't president and you're free to spew this much propaganda of the enemy.

Remember, "loose lips sink ships".
This must be one of the new GOP memes. The modern-day version of calling 60s/70s protestors commies. :roll:

FYI, raildogg, we're just posting and commenting up here on items already in the press.

It just seems that you people are celebrating the successes of terrorists who are killing our brave soldiers. Well duh, attacks are in the news but they sometimes take time out to make mention of some of our successes in Iraq. This thread is basically about Zarqawi and his success in Iraq.

Some people here outright support the terrorists in Iraq, they make no attempt at hiding their anti-US feelings and pro-terrorist views. Some of them are in this very thread.

Also keep that GOP bs to yourself, I could care less about the GOP.

Ever mention the fact that tens of thousands of terrorists have been killed by US forces? For every soldier we lose, they lose many more. That is a fact.

If more soldiers have to die to eradicate the evildoers, then so be it. We must kill or capture all our enemies.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
Zarqawi will be proud of the tools here spreading his message and boasting about the success of his terrorist attacks. OBL is grinning as he watches the tools sell the message of al-qaeda to the American people on this forum. Thanks for respecting this country. :disgust:

What you are doing isn't a public service, what you are doing is spreading the message of terrorists and showcasing their success. You people will cry a river when someone accuses you of aiding the enemy or even siding with the enemy, but thats the perception you get with your cheerleading of the successes of Zarqawi and his Islamic thugs in Iraq.

Remember that if you were alive during World War 2 and this forum had existed , you would have been locked up. And rightfully so. We were at too much of a risk to tolerate this type of behavior.

You are a fascist tool.

Why do you like Zarqawi so much?

Be glad that FDR isn't president and you're free to spew this much propaganda of the enemy. If this isn't aiding the enemy then what it is it?

Remember, "loose lips sink ships".

I don't even know Zarqawi. How can you suggest I "like" him? Now Bush is another story. I know Bush.

Stop comparing Bush's stupidity with WWII. Elective invasion based on lies isn't the Third Reich breathing down our necks and the Japanese armada destroying Pearl Harbor, both bent on world conquest. Saddam wasn't any threat.

You're a ridiculous fascist goon looking for a reason for totalitarian government without the common sense to realize that Bush is the problem, not the solution. In the face of the Bush administration's lies the true traitor is silence.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The Resistance is still doing great, thank you.

Iraq: Every member of Marine squad killed or wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/05/11/AR2005051101737.html

Atleast one wackjob is willing to admit their support of the terrorists, too bad the other cheerleaders continue on with their dishonesty.

CsG

Posting news that you don't see on Fox isn't support of terrorists. It's support of democracy.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The Resistance is still doing great, thank you.

Iraq: Every member of Marine squad killed or wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/05/11/AR2005051101737.html

Atleast one wackjob is willing to admit their support of the terrorists, too bad the other cheerleaders continue on with their dishonesty.

CsG

Posting news that you don't see on Fox isn't support of terrorists. It's support of democracy.

Cheering for the terrorists who are trying to disrupt the new Iraq Democracy is not supporting Democracy.

CsG
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The Resistance is still doing great, thank you.

Iraq: Every member of Marine squad killed or wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/05/11/AR2005051101737.html

Atleast one wackjob is willing to admit their support of the terrorists, too bad the other cheerleaders continue on with their dishonesty.

CsG

Posting news that you don't see on Fox isn't support of terrorists. It's support of democracy.

Cheering for the terrorists who are trying to disrupt the new Iraq Democracy is not supporting Democracy.

CsG

And how do you determine what "cheering" is?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Why do you like Zarqawi so much?

Be glad that FDR isn't president and you're free to spew this much propaganda of the enemy.

Remember, "loose lips sink ships".
This must be one of the new GOP memes. The modern-day version of calling 60s/70s protestors commies. :roll:

FYI, raildogg, we're just posting and commenting up here on items already in the press.
It just seems that you people are celebrating the successes of terrorists who are killing our brave soldiers. Well duh, attacks are in the news but they sometimes take time out to make mention of some of our successes in Iraq. This thread is basically about Zarqawi and his success in Iraq.

Some people here outright support the terrorists in Iraq, they make no attempt at hiding their anti-US feelings and pro-terrorist views. Some of them are in this very thread.

Also keep that GOP bs to yourself, I could care less about the GOP.

Ever mention the fact that tens of thousands of terrorists have been killed by US forces? For every soldier we lose, they lose many more. That is a fact.

If more soldiers have to die to eradicate the evildoers, then so be it. We must kill or capture all our enemies.
How am I celebrating the "success" of terrorists? You're fvcking insane if that's what you think we're doing up here.

What *I'm* doing is being critical of the reasons *why* we are at war and *why* we are staying in Iraq instead of pulling out and leaving Iraq to the Iraqis. I don't want to see one more U.S. soldier die for this lie.

Do you not see how it's turning into another Vietnam? We even have a new Cambodia in the form of Syria!
 

BBond

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Genius thinks telling the truth about the consequences of the chimp's actions is traitorous.

What a maroon.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
The Resistance is still doing great, thank you.

Iraq: Every member of Marine squad killed or wounded
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/05/11/AR2005051101737.html

Atleast one wackjob is willing to admit their support of the terrorists, too bad the other cheerleaders continue on with their dishonesty.

CsG

Posting news that you don't see on Fox isn't support of terrorists. It's support of democracy.

Cheering for the terrorists who are trying to disrupt the new Iraq Democracy is not supporting Democracy.

CsG

And how do you determine what "cheering" is?

Take a look at what you and conjur are doing and that should give you a pretty good idea. Tell me this- do you think the terrorists want the media to give them tons of attention when they attack? Do you think they want everyone to think that they are powerful(when they in reality are not)? Well, by you and your sidekick conjur running in here as soon as a story of a terrorist attack hits you are doing their bidding.

Let me ask you this "bbodn" - do you want the US to win or the terrorists("insurgents" or whatever you want to call them) ?

CsG
 

conjur

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Shouldn't you be calling up ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Reuters, AP, Knight Ridder, Christian Science Monitor, BBC, SkyNews, Guardian, CBC, UPI, etc. and calling them traitorous supporters of the resistance in Iraq?


STFU, CsG. You're embarrassing yourself.
 

BBond

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Freedom of speech and the press have no meaning to people of a certain political persuasion, Conjur. ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BBond
Freedom of speech and the press have no meaning to people of a certain political persuasion, Conjur. ;)

You and conjur are free to say anything you want - I am not suppressing that right at all. However, just because you engage your right to free speech does not mean that I can't call your speech for what it is - aiding the terrorists. You both can do as you see fit though - the American people love to see your types wailing and frothing at the mouth! :D

CsG
 

BBond

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We're discussing news that's freely available on the internet or in print. What the hell are you babbling about?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BBond
We're discussing news that's freely available on the internet or in print. What the hell are you babbling about?

You aren't "discussing" anything and I'm not "babbling" about anything - I'm trying to find out why you and conjur are aiding the terrorist?

Meh, suit yourself...

CsG
 

BBond

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Just because you don't want to hear about what a complete cluster f*** Bush has made of Iraq doesn't mean I'm supporting "terrorists" by telling you anyway.

If you really want to live under total censorship stop comiing to forums titled Politics and News. There is bound to be something in here that offends your illusions.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Why do you like Zarqawi so much?

Be glad that FDR isn't president and you're free to spew this much propaganda of the enemy.

Remember, "loose lips sink ships".
This must be one of the new GOP memes. The modern-day version of calling 60s/70s protestors commies. :roll:

FYI, raildogg, we're just posting and commenting up here on items already in the press.
It just seems that you people are celebrating the successes of terrorists who are killing our brave soldiers. Well duh, attacks are in the news but they sometimes take time out to make mention of some of our successes in Iraq. This thread is basically about Zarqawi and his success in Iraq.

Some people here outright support the terrorists in Iraq, they make no attempt at hiding their anti-US feelings and pro-terrorist views. Some of them are in this very thread.

Also keep that GOP bs to yourself, I could care less about the GOP.

Ever mention the fact that tens of thousands of terrorists have been killed by US forces? For every soldier we lose, they lose many more. That is a fact.

If more soldiers have to die to eradicate the evildoers, then so be it. We must kill or capture all our enemies.
How am I celebrating the "success" of terrorists? You're fvcking insane if that's what you think we're doing up here.

What *I'm* doing is being critical of the reasons *why* we are at war and *why* we are staying in Iraq instead of pulling out and leaving Iraq to the Iraqis. I don't want to see one more U.S. soldier die for this lie.

Do you not see how it's turning into another Vietnam? We even have a new Cambodia in the form of Syria!

You are being critical alright, but you are not using critical thinking. You post these things because you think you can get more people to not support the war, or get us to pull out of Iraq. Well, what exactly do you think the terrorists want? .... .... .... exactly. They want people like you to trot out as much venom against Bush as you can and they provide you the opportunities when they attack.

No, actually this is not, nor ever has been even close to Vietnam -but your actions are quite similar to those actions which cost us the Vietnam war. Oh, and BTW -the war was not a lie. As much as you and the other moonbats want to whine and snivel about it - there was plenty of reason to remove Saddam so atleast be somewhat honest next time and drop the "lie" tripe.

CsG
 

BBond

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Vietnam was a lie -- Gulf of Tonkin -- just as Iraq is a lie -- WMD.

WTFU.

We're posting news stories for discussion in a forum named Politics and News. What do you expect to find here?

I'll bet they didn't have forums like this in the USSR. I'll bet it was because of people like you.
 

BBond

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Do you realize that if we just sit silently by and allow politicians to do whatever manner of insanity they choose without holding them responsible we are as guilty as they are?

Just ask Germany.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BBond
Vietnam was a lie -- Gulf of Tonkin -- just as Iraq is a lie -- WMD.

WTFU.

We're posting news stories for discussion in a forum named Politics and News. What do you expect to find here?

I'll bet they didn't have forums like this in the USSR. I'll bet it was because of people like you.

Iraq is only a lie in your deluded mind, but we already knew that and have hashed and rehashed the long list of reasons why the removal of Saddam was not only necessary but the moral and right thing to do. But again you and everyone else are entitled to your own opinions but to say Iraq was a lie as "fact" is dishonest.

CsG
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BBond
Do you realize that if we just sit silently by and allow politicians to do whatever manner of insanity they choose without holding them responsible we are as guilty as they are?

Just ask Germany.

No where did I say you had to sit quietly and not ask questions. That stage is over however and the choice has been made and then confirmed in November. Just because you don't like the choices doesn't mean we live in a dictatorship like you wanted to preserve for the Iraqi people.

Nice try though with the whole Germany thing.;)

CsG
 

BBond

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Here is Iraqi life under U.S. dictatorship.

Report paints grim picture of Iraqi life

Report paints grim picture of Iraqi life

Thursday, May 12, 2005 Posted: 2056 GMT (0456 HKT)

(CNN) -- In the wake of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the country still struggles with high unemployment, inconsistent utility services and widespread poverty, a joint survey from the Iraqi government and United Nations indicates.

Released Thursday, the report from Iraq's Ministry of Planning and Development Cooperation and the U.N. Development Program in Iraq surveyed nearly 22,000 households in the country's 18 provinces during 2004.

Staffan de Mistura, the U.N. program's resident representative for Iraq, said Thursday that the "Iraqi people are suffering. They are going through a very difficult time. We knew it, but now it's been proven."

While there has been progress since Saddam Hussein's fall, "these data depict a very tragic picture of the quality of life," Iraqi transitional Planning Minister Barham Salih said.

Salih said the mismanagement of Saddam's government and his regime's internal conflicts and those with its neighbors took a toll that spared no sector of the country's infrastructure.

"Saddam Hussein has left us a wasteland," Salih said. "This country could have been the economic powerhouse of the Middle East."

The survey estimated that the minimum number of war-related deaths ranges from 18,000 to 29,000 and is probably higher.

The report said the survey didn't attempt to count entire families who died and therefore underestimates the total number of people killed.

Children under 18 accounted for 12 percent of the deaths, the report said, while the information on infant mortality and malnutrition shows that "the suffering of children due to war and conflict in Iraq is not limited to those directly wounded or killed by military activities."

The information about deaths was "derived from a question posed to households concerning missing and dead persons during the two years prior to the survey. Although the date was not asked for, it is reasonable to suppose that the vast majority of deaths due to warfare occurred after the beginning of 2003."

Children also are affected by widespread malnutrition. About 43 percent of boys and girls between the ages of 6 months and 5 years suffer from some form of the condition -- chronic, general or acute malnutrition.
High unemployment

While Iraq's unemployment figures were high, the survey found that most eligible workers -- excluding the military -- were able to keep the jobs they had held since before March 2003.

Iraq's unemployment rate was 10.5 percent of a population of 27 million people, the report found. When the figure of workers who had given up looking for a job -- discouraged workers -- was included, the unemployment number increased to 18.4 percent.

Most of the unemployed were people who were looking for their first jobs, the report found.

De Mistura, the U.N. representative, said Iraqis have done well to maintain services, but he said delivery of utilities such as water, sewage, sanitation and electricity hasn't been consistent.

"Although a large percentage of the population in Iraq is connected to water, electricity and sewage networks, the supply is too unstable to make a difference to their lives," he said in a news release.

According to the survey, 98 percent of Iraqi households are connected to the national electricity grid, but only 15 percent find the supply stable.

As for water availability, the figures were 78 percent (had water) and 66 percent (had problems).
Household income falls

More than a fourth of Iraqis surveyed described themselves as being poor and 96 percent said they receive monthly food rations under the public food system set up through the oil-for-food program.

The median income in Iraq was equivalent to about $255 (366,000 dinars) in 2003 and decreased in the first half of 2004 to about $144 (207,000 dinars).

The report indicated it was difficult to come up with concrete numbers from prior years to indicate the movement of wages.

"However, most observers agree that, due to a combination of wars, sanctions and economic mismanagement, the average Iraqi household probably has lower real income today than in 1980," the report said.

The survey said the largest declines were in the central Iraqi provinces, including Baghdad.

In terms of poverty, the survey looked at subjective measures. About one in six respondents to the survey said they were unable to buy one of six items listed (new clothes, heating, etc.)

De Mistura said the survey should help the Iraqi government develop a plan to improve living conditions.
 

conjur

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If Iraq wasn't a lie, then where are the WMDs? Where's the sarin? Where's the ricin? Where are the mobile weapons labs? Where are the nuclear warheads? Where's the anthrax?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Do you realize that if we just sit silently by and allow politicians to do whatever manner of insanity they choose without holding them responsible we are as guilty as they are?

Just ask Germany.

No where did I say you had to sit quietly and not ask questions. That stage is over however and the choice has been made and then confirmed in November. Just because you don't like the choices doesn't mean we live in a dictatorship like you wanted to preserve for the Iraqi people.

Nice try though with the whole Germany thing.;)

CsG

You are making no sense whatsoever and about the lie thing; there seems to be 89 congressman who want Bush to explain the UK memos about how he decided to attack Iraq long before he lied to the American to justify his illegal invasion.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: conjur
If Iraq wasn't a lie, then where are the WMDs? Where's the sarin? Where's the ricin? Where are the mobile weapons labs? Where are the nuclear warheads? Where's the anthrax?

He has drowned in the Kool Aid.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
If Iraq wasn't a lie, then where are the WMDs? Where's the sarin? Where's the ricin? Where are the mobile weapons labs? Where are the nuclear warheads? Where's the anthrax?

Again, your definition of "lie" is not on par with reality. You think it was a lie, but intelligence experts from around the globe were the basis for Bush mentioning the intelligence. But hey, don't let those FACTS get in the way of your little conspiracy theory.

CsG