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[waggy]

eh link to auction?

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: fisher
you guys are a sad lot. i wouldn't want someone selling me dvd-r's if they were saying they were selling the movie. and most of you are blindly avocating that which is wrong. it drives up dvd and movie prices. if you want to collect stuff for yourself whatever, but don't turn around and sell it to others. that's LAME and that's not the kind of person i want in fs/t.

HOWEVER. if it's for something that you can't get that's a little different. if you're dropping episodes of mr ed on dvd that you can't get from somewhere else and say that in your auction then whatever, that's a bit different. you aren't ripping ppl off that think they are getting legit dvds and you aren't selling something that can be obtained legally.

so i guess it depends on the situation. if it was the first one tho, AT person or not i'd probably let ebay know so it didn't continue. i'd hate to be the one buying fake crap thinking it was real.

Because it's advertised as a copy made from an old VHS copy. Everyone has this misconception that he's going out, buying 1 copy of lord of the rings, and burning 500. It's not like that. He's selling episodes of a TV show that were NEVER on DVD. When you buy it you know it's not real as it was never released. Hell, the VHS copies were never even released.

Effectively, he's doing buyers a favor. Everyone's just pissed because they think they think he's burning copies of DVDs and selling them.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fisher
you guys are a sad lot. i wouldn't want someone selling me dvd-r's if they were saying they were selling the movie. and most of you are blindly avocating that which is wrong. it drives up dvd and movie prices. if you want to collect stuff for yourself whatever, but don't turn around and sell it to others. that's LAME and that's not the kind of person i want in fs/t.

HOWEVER. if it's for something that you can't get that's a little different. if you're dropping episodes of mr ed on dvd that you can't get from somewhere else and say that in your auction then whatever, that's a bit different. you aren't ripping ppl off that think they are getting legit dvds and you aren't selling something that can be obtained legally.

so i guess it depends on the situation. if it was the first one tho, AT person or not i'd probably let ebay know so it didn't continue. i'd hate to be the one buying fake crap thinking it was real.

Because it's advertised as a copy made from an old VHS copy. Everyone has this misconception that he's going out, buying 1 copy of lord of the rings, and burning 500. It's not like that. He's selling episodes of a TV show that were NEVER on DVD. When you buy it you know it's not real as it was never released. Hell, the VHS copies were never even released.

Effectively, he's doing buyers a favor. Everyone's just pissed because they think they think he's burning copies of DVDs and selling them.

If one doesn't own the copyright for said item, what gives them the legal right to sell them?

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fisher
you guys are a sad lot. i wouldn't want someone selling me dvd-r's if they were saying they were selling the movie. and most of you are blindly avocating that which is wrong. it drives up dvd and movie prices. if you want to collect stuff for yourself whatever, but don't turn around and sell it to others. that's LAME and that's not the kind of person i want in fs/t.

HOWEVER. if it's for something that you can't get that's a little different. if you're dropping episodes of mr ed on dvd that you can't get from somewhere else and say that in your auction then whatever, that's a bit different. you aren't ripping ppl off that think they are getting legit dvds and you aren't selling something that can be obtained legally.

so i guess it depends on the situation. if it was the first one tho, AT person or not i'd probably let ebay know so it didn't continue. i'd hate to be the one buying fake crap thinking it was real.

Because it's advertised as a copy made from an old VHS copy. Everyone has this misconception that he's going out, buying 1 copy of lord of the rings, and burning 500. It's not like that. He's selling episodes of a TV show that were NEVER on DVD. When you buy it you know it's not real as it was never released. Hell, the VHS copies were never even released.

Effectively, he's doing buyers a favor. Everyone's just pissed because they think they think he's burning copies of DVDs and selling them.

If one doesn't own the copyright for said item, what gives them the legal right to sell them?

I never said it was legal. But come on, if you're going to report someone for that you're kind of being a jackass. THe studio isn't losing money because no one would be watching those thigns anyways. The fans that truly liked it are watching it.

Practically and morally I see absolutely no problems with what he is doing.

I don't know about you, but at some point you're going to get nostalgic and want to view some shows you saw as a kid. I'd rather get a VHS copy or some pirated copy than not be able to purchase it period.

But then, just because something is against the law doens't make it wrong morally in my opinion. I use common sense to decide if things are wrong or not.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

Originally posted by: fisher
you guys are a sad lot. i wouldn't want someone selling me dvd-r's if they were saying they were selling the movie. and most of you are blindly avocating that which is wrong. it drives up dvd and movie prices. if you want to collect stuff for yourself whatever, but don't turn around and sell it to others. that's LAME and that's not the kind of person i want in fs/t.

HOWEVER. if it's for something that you can't get that's a little different. if you're dropping episodes of mr ed on dvd that you can't get from somewhere else and say that in your auction then whatever, that's a bit different. you aren't ripping ppl off that think they are getting legit dvds and you aren't selling something that can be obtained legally.

so i guess it depends on the situation. if it was the first one tho, AT person or not i'd probably let ebay know so it didn't continue. i'd hate to be the one buying fake crap thinking it was real.

Because it's advertised as a copy made from an old VHS copy. Everyone has this misconception that he's going out, buying 1 copy of lord of the rings, and burning 500. It's not like that. He's selling episodes of a TV show that were NEVER on DVD. When you buy it you know it's not real as it was never released. Hell, the VHS copies were never even released.

Effectively, he's doing buyers a favor. Everyone's just pissed because they think they think he's burning copies of DVDs and selling them.

If one doesn't own the copyright for said item, what gives them the legal right to sell them?

I never said it was legal. But come on, if you're going to report someone for that you're kind of being a jackass. THe studio isn't losing money because no one would be watching those thigns anyways. The fans that truly liked it are watching it.

Practically and morally I see absolutely no problems with what he is doing.

I don't know about you, but at some point you're going to get nostalgic and want to view some shows you saw as a kid. I'd rather get a VHS copy or some pirated copy than not be able to purchase it period.

But then, just because something is against the law doens't make it wrong morally in my opinion. I use common sense to decide if things are wrong or not.

Personally I really don't care what this person does. However, just because you believe it is morally ok and it's a victimless crime, doesn't make it right. The law is the law whether you agree with it or not.

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: Howard
Depends on if the seller is advertising them as legit or pirated. If it's stated in the auction that they're pirated, I wouldn't really care. But if it was implied that they were real DVDs, then I would definitely report. Kind of like that guy that tried to sell Seinfeld DVDs a long time ago (when there weren't any released).

read the first 51 posts and no one but you had said this.

I agree with this.


edit: after reading the post previous to mine and figuring out what is going on, I would NOT report him/her as that is more of a service, although questionable legal or not.

 

[PatboyX]

i would report if it was an attempt to make cash and cheat people. but it seems like there is a favor being done.
like, if someone was selling episodes of Steam Pipe Alley on DVD, id buy them knowing full well that they were made from home recorded tapes and of poor quality...but i would want to see the show again.

 

[CrazyDe1]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Personally I really don't care what this person does. However, just because you believe it is morally ok and it's a victimless crime, doesn't make it right. The law is the law whether you agree with it or not.

Blah blah blah the law is the law. I hate when people blindly follow something because they're supposed to without consideration of the situation. Look, it's the law that you have to wait at a light to turn green to go but if it's 3AM in the morning and a light isn't turning with no one around I'm going to go through. Does this make me a bad person? I don't think so.

The law is not the end all be all. In this case I don't believe it's wrong for him to sell DVDs. You may not agree and that's fine but that's how I feel and the law does not dictate what I decide is wrong or right.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: CrazyDe1

The law is not the end all be all. In this case I don't believe it's wrong for him to sell DVDs. You may not agree and that's fine but that's how I feel and the law does not dictate what I decide is wrong or right.

You have proven time and time again you have SEVERE ethics problems.

The thing is laws may be stupid or pointless, however, they are what keeps us from degrading to an anarchy and chaos. I can't say that I have walked on the right side of the law, but I won't say what I have done was proper.

By you choosing which laws you decide to follow or not are opening the door to others. For some jaywalking is a pointless law, and others shooting the guy that took the last bag of Doritos off the shelf.

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[apoppin]

It is (way beyond) ridiculous to compare jaywalking to murder.

:roll:

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: apoppin
It is (way beyond) ridiculous to compare jaywalking to murder.

:roll:

I was not comparing it to compare, I was trying to illustrate the there are people out there that feel justified in bending the laws that *much*. Once you decide to ignore laws who is to say where the line is drawn?

That is the problem in doing so.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: apoppin
It is (way beyond) ridiculous to compare jaywalking to murder.

:roll:

I was not comparing it to compare, I was trying to illustrate the there are people out there that feel justified in bending the laws that *much*. Once you decide to ignore laws who is to say where the line is drawn?

That is the problem in doing so.

It's awful hypocritcal to berate someone who chooses what laws to follow "to the T", when you admittedly do the exact same thing.

 

[Wuffsunie]

I'd be cool with selling stuff that's unavailable for retail and/or no longer on the air. As long as it's made quite clear that the product sold is a copy, not an original. Heck, that was the only way I was able to get a copy of Night of the Lepus. That thing hasn't been produced for sale since the 80s and no one airs it, not to mention it's unavailable for rent in this city.

So really, as long as the product in question is not available retail or from some other source, I wouldn't see a problem. Sure it's not legit in the strictest sense, but it's not hurting the company that holds the rights either. After all, they're just sitting on the product and not trying to tap into the market that the seller in question is exploiting. They would have made just as much money without him. This way the market is satisfied and someone has made a little money on the side.

As long as he's not trying to sell knock offs or copies of in-production products he should be left alone. Reporting him just makes you a vindictive, whiny pussy.

 

[bootymac]

I'd just report them. That's about all I'll do tho, I'm not going to go out of my way just to bring the guy down.

 

[Evadman]

Please PM me the name so I can add that person to my DNT list.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

That is the problem in doing so.

It's awful hypocritcal to berate someone who chooses what laws to follow "to the T", when you admittedly do the exact same thing.[/quote]

I am not saying I am in the *right* though that's the difference. It's one thing to break the law and another to say it's ok for me to break the law.

That is my point.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I've been looking for some OOP movies forever. If I had them in DVD format, I'd be VERY happy... And If I had the equipment to do a transfer, I were happy. I'd buy them, if someone sold them, studios or no studios.

Sifl is doing someone a favor. Period. The buyers know it, and they pay for the convenience of not having to hunt down some worn copy in Bumfsck, NJ.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Evadman
Please PM me the name so I can add that person to my DNT list.

iwearnosox on ebay
sifl on atot

 

[alkemyst]

I somehow doubt that this would have gotten the same reaction if 'someone is selling pirated sifl and ollie DVD's on ebay!!!!!' was mentioned.

 

[gunblade]

Where is the NFR software that I didn't see on Ebay?

 

[GasX]

What would Brian Boitano do?

 

[GtPrOjEcTX]

Originally posted by: waggy
eh link to auction?

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[IBuyUFO]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
All you people who say not to do anything... what would you do if you saw some guy clock some woman in the face, steal her purse, and run off --only he's running in your direction... right for you. Do you let him pass saying that it's not your job to help? :roll: Asses. Ooh! "It's not my job. It's between the thief, the victim, and the police."

(spelling)

it's obvious that probably half the people responding to this thread is a pirate!! I would report his ass to the proper authorities.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
All you people who say not to do anything... what would you do if you saw some guy clock some woman in the face, steal her purse, and run off --only he's running in your direction... right for you. Do you let him pass saying that it's not your job to help? :roll: Asses. Ooh! "It's not my job. It's between the thief, the victim, and the police."

(spelling)

it's obvious that probably half the people responding to this thread is a pirate!! I would report his ass to the proper authorities.

Most people actually love getting involved in things they know nothing about, yet want to feel important and boycott/ban them.

In crime situations most would not comment, but rather turn their heads and 'pretend' they didn't see anything 'because you know some crooks can trace cell phones' :roll: I have been involved in situations where as a group it would have never have happened, but somehow I am the only guy coming to help someone.

The same sort of thing is why 9/11 was able to happen. People would rather die like lemmings than be the expendable crew member that saves the rest.

For those that cry out about piracy, I don't advocate it and now that I have real employment I usually buy my software, I don't play games that much anymore, but even as a kid I wanted the original box and manuals...even if I already had the game free. That said, most here probably have at least downloaded a dozen mp3's at one time, tried at least a pirated version of some software, etc. Now reselling such things is definately wrong, but we are talking about movies that are no longer being sold so there is no threat to anyone's profits. I personally think withholding information is more of a crime than distributing it.

Dartmouth just likes to spew things about how he is better than the rest of us. The 'man' thing to do would have been to contact the seller and discuss it and see if some kind of explaination could have happened rather than attempt to form a lynch mob. Most people are their bravest behind the phone, keyboard, or anonymously.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
All you people who say not to do anything... what would you do if you saw some guy clock some woman in the face, steal her purse, and run off --only he's running in your direction... right for you. Do you let him pass saying that it's not your job to help? :roll: Asses. Ooh! "It's not my job. It's between the thief, the victim, and the police."

(spelling)

it's obvious that probably half the people responding to this thread is a pirate!! I would report his ass to the proper authorities.

Most people actually love getting involved in things they know nothing about, yet want to feel important and boycott/ban them.

In crime situations most would not comment, but rather turn their heads and 'pretend' they didn't see anything 'because you know some crooks can trace cell phones' :roll: I have been involved in situations where as a group it would have never have happened, but somehow I am the only guy coming to help someone.

The same sort of thing is why 9/11 was able to happen. People would rather die like lemmings than be the expendable crew member that saves the rest.

For those that cry out about piracy, I don't advocate it and now that I have real employment I usually buy my software, I don't play games that much anymore, but even as a kid I wanted the original box and manuals...even if I already had the game free. That said, most here probably have at least downloaded a dozen mp3's at one time, tried at least a pirated version of some software, etc. Now reselling such things is definately wrong, but we are talking about movies that are no longer being sold so there is no threat to anyone's profits. I personally think withholding information is more of a crime than distributing it.

Dartmouth just likes to spew things about how he is better than the rest of us. The 'man' thing to do would have been to contact the seller and discuss it and see if some kind of explaination could have happened rather than attempt to form a lynch mob. Most people are their bravest behind the phone, keyboard, or anonymously.

Don't drag me down with this you prick. I never said I was better than anyone. I'm not trying to form a "lynch mob" against anyone. I asked a question and assholes like you blow it out of proportion.

I asked a question about an ebay auction and some how you drag 9/11 into it. STFU and go away.

Oh, and if you are ever up my way, give me a call. I'd like to meet you sometime.