Please lock me.

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

 

[alkemyst]

como esta yo mama

 

[ebaycj]

tu madre me dio una buena mamada el noche pasado.

 

[Arcadio]

No entiendo como un threado como este se convierte en una pelea sobre politica e immigracion ilegal...

 

[Platypus]

there goes more of my faith in the general population

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Spanish wasn't even close to common place in the US until the last 20 years. The US has been around a lot longer than that.

 

[Arcadio]

Originally posted by: ebaycj
tu madre me dio una buena mamada el noche pasado.

You mean "la noche".

It's gotta be tough for someone learning Spanish to recognize a male/female noun. I feel your pain. I know people who say:

La agua
La calor
El casa
La dia

I even know native Spanish speakers who say "La agua"

BTW, in Spanish, you can say:

La Computadora or
El Computador.

Both are acceptable. People in Spain actually call it "El Ordenador" for some reason.

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Spanish wasn't even close to common place in the US until the last 20 years. The US has been around a lot longer than that.

The spanish arrived to the american continents before the English-central, and south americas????

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: artikk

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Spanish wasn't even close to common place in the US until the last 20 years. The US has been around a lot longer than that.

The spanish arrived to the american continents before the English-central, and south americas????

United-Statsian. There, happy?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: artikk

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

A nice monotone, monolingual heaven, sounds like a communist state, ¿no te parece?

How so? No one says the people for whom English is a second language are forbidden from speaking their native tongue...only that English be the official language of the USA and that government agencies and businesses conduct their business in English.
I see nothing wrong with peoples maintaining their native tongue and culture. That is part of America's rich heritage.

In the not too distant future, Spanish speakers will probably outnumber English speakers in the US. If they replace every instance of "English" with "Spanish" in your sentence I assume you would still advocate what you say.

There is a certain degree of arrogance in expecting speakers of other languages to conduct their business in your language, unless you are also prepared to make efforts to communicate with them in theirs.

It appears we agree on that last bit. It IS arrogant of Spanish speaking people to come to a country where English is the most common language of the native people...then DEMAND businesses and governments conduct business in their language. [/thread]

As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Spanish wasn't even close to common place in the US until the last 20 years. The US has been around a lot longer than that.

The spanish arrived to the american continents before the English-central, and south americas????

United-Statsian. There, happy?

I hate to continue the long nested quotes, but it seem appropriate in this case.


If we're gonna go with "They were here first," then shouldn't everyone in the Americas be speaking the language (s) of the various indian tribes who were here perhaps thousands of years before the first European explorer ever set foot on these lands?
Spanish is NOT the native language of any of Central or South American country...it was forced on them by...of all things...the Spaniards who conquered the native peoples...so...

Fuck that. English is the native tongue of MOST of the people in these United States. If folks from other countries want to come here, they need to learn the language. IMO, English SHOULD be the Official language, and THAT should be written into the US Constitution by amendment.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Red Irish
As I said, English may eventually lose its position as the predominant language.

Perhaps "demand" is the wrong word, after all, nobody is forcing you to attempt to make more money by engaging in conversations with people in other languages.

There were undoubtedly those amongst the Romans who held similar views to your own, perhaps you should discuss this with all the Latin speakers you know.

English speakers hardly qualify as the "native people" of the US - they were supplanted, as English speakers may eventually be supplanted.

Unless I am mistaken, the Constitution does not recognise an official language, whereby Spanish is every bit as American as English. Indeed, Spanish arrived before English.

Que tengas buen día.

That's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Spanish wasn't even close to common place in the US until the last 20 years. The US has been around a lot longer than that.

Do you read a lot?

Read up on Columbus, then turn your attentions to Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo and California. Spanish has been spoken in the US since its inception.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
No entiendo como un threado como este se convierte en una pelea sobre politica e immigracion ilegal...

Porque hay mucha gente a quien le gusta resumir la presencia hispana en estados unidos en inmigrantes ilegales sin reconocer su aportación historica y cultural a la formación del país. En resumen, hay muchos racistas en estos foros.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I hate to continue the long nested quotes, but it seem appropriate in this case.


If we're gonna go with "They were here first," then shouldn't everyone in the Americas be speaking the language (s) of the various indian tribes who were here perhaps thousands of years before the first European explorer ever set foot on these lands?
Spanish is NOT the native language of any of Central or South American country...it was forced on them by...of all things...the Spaniards who conquered the native peoples...so...

Fuck that. English is the native tongue of MOST of the people in these United States. If folks from other countries want to come here, they need to learn the language. IMO, English SHOULD be the Official language, and THAT should be written into the US Constitution by amendment.

In a few years, they will probably say the same thing, but perhaps in Spanish, or maybe Chinese.

Yes, immigrants should learn English, just as English speakers should learn other languages in order to communicate with the world around them. English is a convenient common denominator, a starting point, nothing more.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I hate to continue the long nested quotes, but it seem appropriate in this case.


If we're gonna go with "They were here first," then shouldn't everyone in the Americas be speaking the language (s) of the various indian tribes who were here perhaps thousands of years before the first European explorer ever set foot on these lands?
Spanish is NOT the native language of any of Central or South American country...it was forced on them by...of all things...the Spaniards who conquered the native peoples...so...

Fuck that. English is the native tongue of MOST of the people in these United States. If folks from other countries want to come here, they need to learn the language. IMO, English SHOULD be the Official language, and THAT should be written into the US Constitution by amendment.

In a few years, they will probably say the same thing, but perhaps in Spanish, or maybe Chinese.

Yes, immigrants should learn English, just as English speakers should learn other languages in order to communicate with the world around them. English is a convenient common denominator, a starting point, nothing more.

If I was going to move to a foreign non-English speaking country, I would do my best to learn the predominant language of that country.

Why is this so hard to understand? Why do you consider it racist?

 

[DaWhim]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim
I am actually in spain now!

That makes two of us.

where at? are you traveling?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I hate to continue the long nested quotes, but it seem appropriate in this case.


If we're gonna go with "They were here first," then shouldn't everyone in the Americas be speaking the language (s) of the various indian tribes who were here perhaps thousands of years before the first European explorer ever set foot on these lands?
Spanish is NOT the native language of any of Central or South American country...it was forced on them by...of all things...the Spaniards who conquered the native peoples...so...

Fuck that. English is the native tongue of MOST of the people in these United States. If folks from other countries want to come here, they need to learn the language. IMO, English SHOULD be the Official language, and THAT should be written into the US Constitution by amendment.

In a few years, they will probably say the same thing, but perhaps in Spanish, or maybe Chinese.

Yes, immigrants should learn English, just as English speakers should learn other languages in order to communicate with the world around them. English is a convenient common denominator, a starting point, nothing more.

If I was going to move to a foreign non-English speaking country, I would do my best to learn the predominant language of that country.

Why is this so hard to understand? Why do you consider it racist?

I don't consider what you said above to be racist at all, I took exception to the fact that you advocate making English the official language by changing the Constitution, more because it is a futile rather than a racist gesture. Who knows what the predominant language in the US will be in 200 years?

What I do feel to be racist is the following gem:

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Not if America would re-grow its balls and send the fucking illegals home and quit "kow-towing" to the hispanic community.

In a nonsense thread, you brought up the issue of "fucking illegals" and affirmed that America is kow-towing to the hispanic community.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim
I am actually in spain now!

That makes two of us.

where at? are you traveling?

Granada, I've lived here for the last 16 years.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Xanis

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
SPEAK AMERICAN

I hate to tell you this man (cuz I've been fighting it for the past 5 years) but in the next generation, THIS WILL be American.

Sad but true.

Not if America would re-grow its balls and send the fucking illegals home and quit "kow-towing" to the hispanic community.

all we need to do is finally declare a fucking official language, and enforce it.
sure, that throws the whole "melting pot" thing into confusion, but think about it - forcing a single language for everyday service is what helps put everyone on the same page.

that, throw out all the illegals, and stop allows the legal ones to use their children as language slaves and instead force the adults to learn the language if they want to live here. So many times their kids have to be interpreters because the adults refuse to learn the language.

How do you enforce a language? There are many different cultures in this country that speak other languages. Why are you singling out Hispanics?

like Boomer said, it's not singling out only hispanics.
However, hispanics, latin-americans, mexicans, whatever they want to refer to themselves as, depending on where they come from... are the largest language minority. The various Asian languages/dialects are also impossible to avoid, and then there are the various Middle Eastern language speakers.

However, it isn't about it being any group - nothing against the actual people. Any country needs to have a single language, because it makes it easier to provide services for everyone. Less wages to have specialty employees to provide services to the minority languages, less confusion, and improves the process of getting everyone on the same page.
There isn't anything morally wrong with having an official language, it's actually for everyone's benefit. Sure, that forces individuals who don't know the language to well, learn it, but... so? Anyone planning on living in a foreign land should learn that land's language, don't expect hand outs. But then again, that's what our country does so well - handouts.

Bullshit. Switzerland, a country about twice the size of Massachusetts, has 4 different distinct languages (French, Swiss-German, Italian, and Romanian) and its population enjoys a higher standard of living than most of the people of the United States.

 

[Red Irish]

Jules, thank you.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I hate to continue the long nested quotes, but it seem appropriate in this case.

If we're gonna go with "They were here first," then shouldn't everyone in the Americas be speaking the language (s) of the various indian tribes who were here perhaps thousands of years before the first European explorer ever set foot on these lands?
Spanish is NOT the native language of any of Central or South American country...it was forced on them by...of all things...the Spaniards who conquered the native peoples...so...

Fuck that. English is the native tongue of MOST of the people in these United States. If folks from other countries want to come here, they need to learn the language. IMO, English SHOULD be the Official language, and THAT should be written into the US Constitution by amendment.

In a few years, they will probably say the same thing, but perhaps in Spanish, or maybe Chinese.

Yes, immigrants should learn English, just as English speakers should learn other languages in order to communicate with the world around them. English is a convenient common denominator, a starting point, nothing more.

If I was going to move to a foreign non-English speaking country, I would do my best to learn the predominant language of that country.

Why is this so hard to understand? Why do you consider it racist?

I don't consider what you said above to be racist at all, I took exception to the fact that you advocate making English the official language by changing the constitution, more because it is a futile rather than a racist gesture. Who knows what the predominant language in the US will be in 200 years?

What I do feel to be racist is the following gem:

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Not if America would re-grow its balls and send the fucking illegals home and quit "kow-towing" to the hispanic community.

In a nonsense thread, you brought up the issue of "fucking illegals" and affirmed that America is kow-towing to the hispanic community.

See, I dont think merely expressing an opinion is automatically racist. Saying something about a race is not automatically racist, either.

But I do think I started this thread in fun and was NOT about race relations in America. It turned into a worse pissing contest than P&N typically sees.
Consider it closed.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim
I am actually in spain now!

That makes two of us.

where at? are you traveling?

Granada, I've lived here for the last 16 years.

I spent a week in Spain last summer and really enjoyed it. It's a beautiful country...none of the urban sprawl we have here in the U.S. I'd like to visit Spain again at some point during my life.

 

[Farang]

aye yai yai

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

See, I dont think merely expressing an opinion is automatically racist. Saying something about a race is not automatically racist, either.

But I do think I started this thread in fun and was NOT about race relations in America. It turned into a worse pissing contest than P&N typically sees.
Consider it closed.

Nor do I, Shorty, but if you can't see what's wrong with bringing up the subject of "fucking immigrants" in this thread, then I would question your judgement as well. In any event, I will gladly consider it closed.

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: DaWhim
I am actually in spain now!

That makes two of us.

where at? are you traveling?

Granada, I've lived here for the last 16 years.

I spent a week in Spain last summer and really enjoyed it. It's a beautiful country...none of the urban sprawl we have here in the U.S. I'd like to visit Spain again at some point during my life.

I recommend Granada, obviously, and Almeria (the setting of The Good, the Bad and The Ugly) has incredible landscapes and beaches (I could go on).