Please invoke the 25th, then get him to a mental care facility.

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fskimospy

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So you say that Google results are never manipulated by anyone?

There are companies that specialize in "enhancing" google search results.

No, we are saying there’s no evidence of manipulation here. Look at the ‘study’ that this is based on, its laughably biased and inept.

It basically achieved its result by labeling almost every news source as liberal except for extreme right opinion sites. Then it wondered why the remaining conspiracy theory sites were poorly represented and decided the answer was liberal bias.
 

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He admitted on TV to using campaign funds to pay off girlfriends so they didn't tell their stories right before an election. Why bother, if not to influence it? His (convicted felon) lawyer admitted setting up fake corporations to make the payments. Indicating they both knew it was wrong. Literally the only reason Trump isn't under indictment is the DOJ guideline regarding presidents.
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No. The DoJ would be badly mistaken pursuing campaign contribution violations.

1. A candidate has no limit on the amount he/she can contribute to their own campaign.

2. FEC rules do not consider such payments (hush money to mistresses) to be campaign contributions.

3. The DoJ tried that with John Edwards even though FEC rules were against them. The DoJ lost in court and Edwards was acquitted. And in the Edwards case other people who were subject to campaign limits paid off the mistress for John Edwards. Precedent is not in the DoJ's favor (at all).

4. IIRC the Obama had campaign contributions violations of a much larger amount and it was, as usual, treated as a civil mater with a fine applying. (I think it was the largest in history).

5. Finally, it would not be the candidate who was in trouble. It would be the campaign treasurer who is responsible for filings with the FEC.

Fern
 

fskimospy

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No. The DoJ would be badly mistaken pursuing campaign contribution violations.

Basically everything you said here is wrong. Where did you get this information from? Conservative media? Either way you got some really, really bad information on the law and Trump’s violations of it.

He’s in a very, very bad place here, likely on the hook for multiple felonies.

1. A candidate has no limit on the amount he/she can contribute to their own campaign.

This is not relevant to the charge. The charge is that Trump willfully did not declare his contributions to his campaign, which is a felony.

2. FEC rules do not consider such payments (hush money to mistresses) to be campaign contributions.

This is false and has no basis in any FEC rule. What the FEC cares about is if the purpose of the payment was principally to influence the election. In this case we have a sworn statement that this payment was for the principal purpose of influencing the election, so from the evidence available it was a campaign contribution.

EDIT: let’s remember that Michael Cohen already pleaded guilty to felony campaign finance violations for these hush money payments. If they weren’t contributions he would have had no reason to plead guilty.

3. The DoJ tried that with John Edwards even though FEC rules were against them. The DoJ lost in court and Edwards was acquitted. And in the Edwards case other people who were subject to campaign limits paid off the mistress for John Edwards. Precedent is not in the DoJ's favor (at all).

This has nothing to do with campaign contribution limits. Also, Edwards was not acquitted, it was a hung jury and the principal witnesses were unable to testify due to one being dead and the other being almost dead.

Edwards having a hung jury won’t save Trump.

4. IIRC the Obama had campaign contributions violations of a much larger amount and it was, as usual, treated as a civil mater with a fine applying. (I think it was the largest in history).

The amount has nothing to do with this. What differentiates a civil violation from a criminal violation is intent to avoid campaign finance law.

There is zero evidence any of Obama’s finance violations were willful while we have Trump on tape talking about how to conceal the payments along with statements of the principals involved. That is a felony.

5. Finally, it would not be the candidate who was in trouble. It would be the campaign treasurer who is responsible for filings with the FEC.

Fern

This is incorrect. Trump signed the statements under the penalty of perjury and he is the one on tape and in sworn testimony directing the criminal violations of campaign finance law. The treasurer is not on the hook for this, Trump is.

Seriously Fern, whenever you got this info from is either totally ignorant of the issues or was deliberately misleading you. Never go there again if you care about being informed.
 
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Vic

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Google placing itself above its competitors makes perfect sense. Google censoring positive news about Trump makes no sense.

Also the analysis claiming this bias was comically biased itself. It basically labeled any source that’s not far right as liberal. (Apparently ESPN is part of the liberal conspiracy, haha.)
Amazing how many free speech loving small government conservatives support government regulation to censor speech, isn't it?
 

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Amazing how many free speech loving small government conservatives support government regulation to censor speech, isn't it?

It's almost as if they were never really honest about their support for the first amendment when it relates to anyone but themeselves and others they agree with.
 

fskimospy

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Amazing how many free speech loving small government conservatives support government regulation to censor speech, isn't it?

They never cared about censorship, they cared about censorship of their ideas.

David Frum is a gigantic asshole but he has said one thing that is absolutely true.

‘If conservatives can not achieve their goals through democracy they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.’
 

brycejones

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No, we are saying there’s no evidence of manipulation here. Look at the ‘study’ that this is based on, its laughably biased and inept.

It basically achieved its result by labeling almost every news source as liberal except for extreme right opinion sites. Then it wondered why the remaining conspiracy theory sites were poorly represented and decided the answer was liberal bias.

You're going to have to find smaller words for pcgeek.
 

brycejones

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So you say that Google results are never manipulated by anyone?

There are companies that specialize in "enhancing" google search results.

There is a huge gulf between what Trump is alleging (Google the company takes active steps to suppress "good" stories about him) and companies that tweak their websites to improve where they appear in search results. Surely you can see the difference between the two activities?
 

Jhhnn

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They never cared about censorship, they cared about censorship of their ideas.

David Frum is a gigantic asshole but he has said one thing that is absolutely true.

‘If conservatives can not achieve their goals through democracy they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.’

Stark, isn't it?
 

Jhhnn

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There is a huge gulf between what Trump is alleging (Google the company takes active steps to suppress "good" stories about him) and companies that tweak their websites to improve where they appear in search results. Surely you can see the difference between the two activities?

It's a Soros conspiracy to enhance the negative stories about Trump, obviously. There can be no other explanation. Well, other than Obama's shadow govt kenyan mooslim time warp mind control.
 

pcgeek11

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No, we are saying there’s no evidence of manipulation here. Look at the ‘study’ that this is based on, its laughably biased and inept.

It basically achieved its result by labeling almost every news source as liberal except for extreme right opinion sites. Then it wondered why the remaining conspiracy theory sites were poorly represented and decided the answer was liberal bias.

It is obvious why Google's top hits are all negative against Trump. It isn't bias on Googles part. It is primarily bias in the media.
 

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There is a huge gulf between what Trump is alleging (Google the company takes active steps to suppress "good" stories about him) and companies that tweak their websites to improve where they appear in search results. Surely you can see the difference between the two activities?

I never said Trump was correct in his assumptions. I was only saying to suggest that Google search results are never manipulated is a falsehood.

But thanks for your 2 cents.
 

Jhhnn

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It is obvious why Google's top hits are all negative against Trump. It isn't bias on Googles part. It is primarily bias in the media.

Now why would the Enemy of the People (AKA the Free Press) be biased against the person who labeled them as such? Are they supposed to go out of their way to fawn over his raving dishonesty & lies?
 

brycejones

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I never said Trump was correct in his assumptions. I was only saying to suggest that Google search results are never manipulated is a falsehood.

But thanks for your 2 cents.

Whoosh, work on those reflexes you might get the point one day.
 

Vic

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It is obvious why Google's top hits are all negative against Trump. It isn't bias on Googles part. It is primarily bias in the media.
So what? The very reason why the free press clause is in the 1a is because the Founding Fathers wanted the press to be biased against the government, and particularly biased against the President. Largely because King George made it illegal for the colonial presses to portray him in anything other than a flattering light.
And what's the problem with bias in the media now, except that King Donald doesn't like being portrayed unflatteringly?
 
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Jhhnn

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So what? The very reason why the free press clause is in the 1a is because the Founding Fathers wanted the press to be biased against the government, and particularly biased against the President. Largely because King George made it illegal for the colonial presses to portray him in anything other than a flattering light.
And what's the problem with bias in the media now, except that King Donald doesn't like being portrayed unflatteringly?

For Trumpsters, claiming bias is just a way to enter denial. They believe in Donald Trump the way the Branch Davidians believed in David Koresh.
 

Vic

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For Trumpsters, claiming bias is just a way to enter denial. They believe in Donald Trump the way the Branch Davidians believed in David Koresh.
It's not that simple, the problem being that there is no such thing as unbiased and, if there were, it certainly wouldn't sell.
So when they complain about bias, what they're really doing is complaining that it doesn't conform to their bias. And should be made to.
 
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fskimospy

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It is obvious why Google's top hits are all negative against Trump. It isn't bias on Googles part. It is primarily bias in the media.

You understand that bias in the media is also a conservative myth, right?

You have to know that conservatives live in a bubble of imagined persecution. That’s the whole idea.
 

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So what? The very reason why the free press clause is in the 1a is because the Founding Fathers wanted the press to be biased against the government, and particularly biased against the President. Largely because King George made it illegal for the colonial presses to portray him in anything other than a flattering light.
And what's the problem with bias in the media now, except that King Donald doesn't like being portrayed unflatteringly?


That is all I was saying.The media is reporting anything that can possibly be spun as negative and avoids any inkling of a positive story when it comes to Trump. That is why Google results come up the way that they do.

I am not defending Trump or saying that Google is purposely skewing the results with respect to a search on Trump.

I was making a point that Google results can be and are manipulated at times by Google and others for various reasons.
 

pcgeek11

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You understand that bias in the media is also a conservative myth, right?

You have to know that conservatives live in a bubble of imagined persecution. That’s the whole idea.

So you are saying there is no bias in the media?

So that would mean that Fox is not biased either. They are media.
 

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That is all I was saying.The media is reporting anything that can possibly be spun as negative and avoids any inkling of a positive story when it comes to Trump. That is why Google results come up the way that they do.
or maybe he should stop doing so many shitty things that get negative headlines

I am not defending Trump or saying that Google is purposely skewing the results with respect to a search on Trump.
riiiiiiiiight
I was making a point that Google results can be and are manipulated at times by Google and others for various reasons.
what the fuck does that have to do with this thread?