Please invoke the 25th, then get him to a mental care facility.

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Unlike insanity you can't fix stupid with a stay in the asylum.

That's true but things aren't mutually exclusive. At this point his behavior demonstrates a substantial disconnect from reality which goes beyond mild neuroses and he demonstrates an inability to process the world around him and he reacts by attacking things he cannot comprehend due to the innate toxic perspectives he carries. In general society, this would be a negative but he's the most powerful individual in politics in the US, a toddler with the Gun of the Office.
 

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Every day he adds to the reasons there is negative news. Self fulfilling....
 

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Conservatives start their own tech giant yet? Maybe someone can explain to Trump how search engines work. Pro-tip: Google, Facebook, Twitter aren't the "Internet"
 

dawp

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I see no rage, all i see is pointing, shaking of heads, and laughing at the idiot in chief.
 

mikeymikec

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At this point his behavior demonstrates a substantial disconnect from reality

I disagree. In the example you gave in the OP, he shows a connection to reality and he indicates that he doesn't like certain facets of that reality very much.

Sure, in terms of wisdom/intelligence he's extremely sort-sighted and narrow-minded, but neither of these have much of a bearing on sanity and connection to reality.

and he demonstrates an inability to process the world around him and he reacts by attacking things he cannot comprehend due to the innate toxic perspectives he carries.

IMO a significant percentage of most populations are made up by people like this. The fact that many people read 'The Daily Mail' for example.
 

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Every day dawns with a new reason to rage provided by the media.

You are one of two kinds of creatures and neither is amenable to discourse but in any comprehensible possible reality, cause precedes effect at the macro level. Trump went Orwellian because while he doesn't understand it he creates a storm with his toxic statements and actions and the media call him (properly) on it. He then continues and the media report it and the cycle continues. Now he wishes to control/punish those who allow this to be seen by indexing his statements and responses. In everyday terms that's crazy.
 

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That's true but things aren't mutually exclusive. At this point his behavior demonstrates a substantial disconnect from reality which goes beyond mild neuroses and he demonstrates an inability to process the world around him and he reacts by attacking things he cannot comprehend due to the innate toxic perspectives he carries. In general society, this would be a negative but he's the most powerful individual in politics in the US, a toddler with the Gun of the Office.

You're giving Trump credit for tech savvy which I don't think he possesses and presuming his rant is based on insanity. Much more likely to presume he's completely clueless about how Google search algorithms work. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks Google has a bunch of illegal alien workers in a factory somewhere picking and inserting the results of his search by hand like it's a box of grapes or something.

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I disagree. In the example you gave in the OP, he shows a connection to reality and he indicates that he doesn't like certain facets of that reality very much.

Sure, in terms of wisdom/intelligence he's extremely sort-sighted and narrow-minded, but neither of these have much of a bearing on sanity and connection to reality.



IMO a significant percentage of most populations are made up by people like this. The fact that many people read 'The Daily Mail' for example.

His overall behaviors suggest serious mental disturbances. They create the facets of reality he doesn't like as a consequence of them. Take the case of a person who suffers from extreme paranoia who harms another because he believes that person was out to get him. The police then go after him and he says "they are out to get me" and so attacks another and so on until he's caught. In reality "They" are out to get him, that is the police. Like the police, Google is out to "get" Trump in the strictest sense of a paranoid as it lists his actions and responses to it. "IT" is after him.
 

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You are one of two kinds of creatures and neither is amenable to discourse but in any comprehensible possible reality, cause precedes effect at the macro level. Trump went Orwellian because while he doesn't understand it he creates a storm with his toxic statements and actions and the media call him (properly) on it. He then continues and the media report it and the cycle continues. Now he wishes to control/punish those who allow this to be seen by indexing his statements and responses. In everyday terms that's crazy.
Whatever floats your boat Mr. keyboard shrink.

I think you've got him this time.
 

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His overall behaviors suggest serious mental disturbances. They create the facets of reality he doesn't like as a consequence of them. Take the case of a person who suffers from extreme paranoia who harms another because he believes that person was out to get him. The police then go after him and he says "they are out to get me" and so attacks another and so on until he's caught. In reality "They" are out to get him, that is the police. Like the police, Google is out to "get" Trump in the strictest sense of a paranoid as it lists his actions and responses to it. "IT" is after him.

'Extreme paranoia' suggests to me a situation that's almost completely (or completely) in the sufferer's head. What's happening with Trump in the press is very real.

IMO this is a person who lacks insight to such a degree that he seems toddler-like in his inability to understand cause and consequence as well as understanding that he's not the centre of the universe, that he needs to factor in how other people are likely to react to his actions. I'm not a mental healthcare professional, so I have no idea when 'insufficient insight' would or could be classed as a mental disorder, rather than just retardation caused by whatever.

IMO he's been stuck in his own little golden bubble, ie. shielded from consequences to an obscene degree all his life, therefore he lacked sufficient insight into how things work in reality or the fact that if he succeeded in his ambition to become President then all the shit he could get away with as a reality TV star and playing at running his own businesses would not fly as his actions would be put under a microscope of a power that he couldn't even begin to fathom let alone handle like a typical adult* due to his lack of life experience.

* - let alone the extremely experienced person one needs to be to handle such a high-profile job.

Furthermore, IMO most ordinary adults would crack under the strain of ascending to the Presidency in one step, and would likely flip out on the record. The only benefit that Trump had over a typical adult is that he's used to a camera being pointed at him, but he's woefully under-equipped in every other respect for the job. If I had to bet, Trump honestly thought that the Presidency involved photo ops, hand-shaking and speeches and that was it. Apart from him sticking to the script, that job description sounds like something he's vaguely suitable for (along with pretty much every actor who ever lived).
 

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Whatever floats your boat Mr. keyboard shrink.

I think you've got him this time.

I've "had" him for some time. He's entirely predictable now in terms of how he will react. What is unknown is what aspect of reality will trigger him and the specific reactions to it. He might have thrown a chicken wing at a staffer in a fit of rage, or he might be attacking reality through the power he wields as Supreme Executive. No, not EO's or the like, but the Bully Pulpit as a weapon against the world when it insults his ego.

Yeah, I have him. The problem is how to legally remove him before more damage is done.

BTW, a present for you. At some point, the Reps will lose, likely the House this time around. You've been doing a fair job of impersonating the effect they are having on learning what is happening. Once that power passes from their hands it is possible that some of what "the man behind the curtain" has done comes to light and I'd wager that Nunes and others won't look very good.

The Dems will find the dirt and look in places the Reps were hiding. At that time a few things could happen. One is it's all exposed. Another is that it's not and the Dems being political animals use it as leverage, blackmail if you will, to force Republicans to do things they oppose in public and that might include the removal of Trump. Safeguarding one's power and position is always the political animal's prime concern. You see I'm not a bleeding heart Dem, nor a Republican. I know what partisan politics does for good or ill and I have no loyalty to any side. I agree when they do right and disagree when they do wrong in my opinion. They do not dictate what I believe. The Dems aren't pure at all. No, they will eat your favored alive.

This is a gift to you.
 

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'Extreme paranoia' suggests to me a situation that's almost completely (or completely) in the sufferer's head. What's happening with Trump in the press is very real.

IMO this is a person who lacks insight to such a degree that he seems toddler-like in his inability to understand cause and consequence as well as understanding that he's not the centre of the universe, that he needs to factor in how other people are likely to react to his actions. I'm not a mental healthcare professional, so I have no idea when 'insufficient insight' would or could be classed as a mental disorder, rather than just retardation caused by whatever.

IMO he's been stuck in his own little golden bubble, ie. shielded from consequences to an obscene degree all his life, therefore he lacked sufficient insight into how things work in reality or the fact that if he succeeded in his ambition to become President then all the shit he could get away with as a reality TV star and playing at running his own businesses would not fly as his actions would be put under a microscope of a power that he couldn't even begin to fathom let alone handle like a typical adult* due to his lack of life experience.

* - let alone the extremely experienced person one needs to be to handle such a high-profile job.

Furthermore, IMO most ordinary adults would crack under the strain of ascending to the Presidency in one step, and would likely flip out on the record. The only benefit that Trump had over a typical adult is that he's used to a camera being pointed at him, but he's woefully under-equipped in every other respect for the job. If I had to bet, Trump honestly thought that the Presidency involved photo ops, hand-shaking and speeches and that was it. Apart from him sticking to the script, that job description sounds like something he's vaguely suitable for (along with pretty much every actor who ever lived).

I was careful in my choice of words. Note I did not say he was a psychopath. As far as anyone can tell he is not. There is what I think is a valid saying "Psychopaths are born, Sociopaths are made".

It is possible that in another family Trump would be a perfectly acceptable person, however as you say he wasn't. These situations can twist the normal into the deeply psychologically impaired resulting in much of what we see. In some ways, he's a pitiable creature like a wounded viper. Most snakes are reluctant to bite and I don't hate nor fear them. I accept what they are for what they are and avoid them because they make sense. I would not kill them out of spite and would have sympathy if I came across one that was injured. Yet is a potentially deadly thing and more as it is in a dire situation. They shouldn't be held in the hand and a person of similar nature shouldn't be in office.

Note that while I believe Trump is seriously impaired it does not mean he should not face legal penalties. Many people have baggage, some as or more serious, however, they might respond in positive ways, or at least can function. Trump knows at his core that he does wrong but it doesn't much matter, and if he doesn't know then he's a greater danger. In either case his removal is reasonable and prudent.
 

boomerang

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BTW, a present for you. At some point, the Reps will lose, likely the House this time around. You've been doing a fair job of impersonating the effect they are having on learning what is happening. Once that power passes from their hands it is possible that some of what "the man behind the curtain" has done comes to light and I'd wager that Nunes and others won't look very good.

The Dems will find the dirt and look in places the Reps were hiding. At that time a few things could happen. One is it's all exposed. Another is that it's not and the Dems being political animals use it as leverage, blackmail if you will, to force Republicans to do things they oppose in public and that might include the removal of Trump. Safeguarding one's power and position is always the political animal's prime concern.
Thanks for sharing your hopes and dreams with all of us. I'm fully aware that the pendulum of power swings both to and fro. Said it umpteen times here. You, are looking for vengeance based on what are imaginings and fantasies and yet you're concerned about the state of Trumps mental health. Interesting.

Legally remove him? I don't see that happening because there is no basis for it. The media that winds you and many others up each day and sends you scampering off spreading their agenda is just keeping your hopes and dreams alive. Why you fall for it everyday is a question that only you can answer but it obviously fills a need. Most of us have choices on what we do and don't believe but some don't. I guess you're in the latter group.

No, if you want Trump out it's going to have to be done the way it's been done since the beginning of time. The media has got those with the weakest minds all ginned up and close to the point of physical altercations on a much larger scale. Antifa has already answered the call. It's a short step from where we are now before someone decides that it's time to wield political power the way Mao felt it should be done. Steve Scalise could probably provide some thoughts on that.

We're living in times of great prosperity with a future that is about as bright as it gets. It's easy to see this if one can block out the noise from the media. I've touched on the following before. There was a time when the distrust of big business was enormous within the left. What is it that has changed such that cable news channels and the dying print media (the Internet is print media too) who are out to make as much money as they possibly can fill their 24/7 programming with lie after lie interspersed with insanity and now, the left gobbles it up in an unthinking fashion? Why the change from hate for big business to love, devotion and blindly following everything presented to them? Books will be written about this.
 
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Thanks for sharing your hopes and dreams with all of us. I'm fully aware that the pendulum of power swings both to and fro. Said it umpteen times here. You, are looking for vengeance based on what are imaginings and fantasies and yet you're concerned about the state of Trumps mental health. Interesting.

Legally remove him? I don't see that happening because there is no basis for it. The media that winds you and many others up each day and sends you scampering off spreading their agenda is just keeping your hopes and dreams alive. Why you fall for it everyday is a question that only you can answer but it obviously fills a need. Most of us have choices on what we do and don't believe but some don't. I guess you're in the latter group.

No, if you want Trump out it's going to have to be done the way it's been done since the beginning of time. The media has got those with the weakest minds all ginned up and close to the point of physical altercations on a much larger scale. Antifa has already answered the call. It's a short step from where we are now before someone decides that it's time to wield political power the way Mao felt it should be done. Steve Scalise could probably provide some thoughts on that.

We're living in times of great prosperity with a future that is about as bright as it gets. It's easy to see this if one can block out the noise from the media. I've touched on the following before. There was a time when the distrust of big business was enormous within the left. What is it that has changed such that cable news channels and the dying print media (the Internet is print media too) who are out to make as much money as they possibly can fill their 24/7 programming with lie after lie interspersed with insanity and now, the left gobbles it up in an unthinking fashion? Why the change from hate for big business to love, devotion and blindly following everything presented to them? Books will be written about this.

1) complains about ‘keyboard shrink’.
2) proceeds to diagnose half the country through his keyboard.
3) thinks everyone else is delusional.

Lol.
 

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I don’t think Trump is insane because of this, as usual he’s just a better distillation of what conservative media has been doing for a long time. Anyone looking at the facts objectively knows Trump is lying but conservatives only care about their feelings of persecution, not facts. If Trump says they are the victims of yet another persecutor then they are, no need to question it.

Boomerang is a great example of this. To him the enemy isn’t the president who is lying to him in a comically obvious way, the real enemy is the press because they keep pointing it out. Trump, like them, is an endless victim. The sad part is they will never realize they truly are victims, it’s just that they are victims of Trump and conservative media playing them for fools.
 

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That's true but things aren't mutually exclusive. At this point his behavior demonstrates a substantial disconnect from reality which goes beyond mild neuroses and he demonstrates an inability to process the world around him and he reacts by attacking things he cannot comprehend due to the innate toxic perspectives he carries. In general society, this would be a negative but he's the most powerful individual in politics in the US, a toddler with the Gun of the Office.

1: Trump isn't the source of the idea that google results are biased.
2: Conservative media claims the idea of bias has some merit.

So why do you think that tweet storm is special?

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Greenman

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Thanks for sharing your hopes and dreams with all of us. I'm fully aware that the pendulum of power swings both to and fro. Said it umpteen times here. You, are looking for vengeance based on what are imaginings and fantasies and yet you're concerned about the state of Trumps mental health. Interesting.

Legally remove him? I don't see that happening because there is no basis for it. The media that winds you and many others up each day and sends you scampering off spreading their agenda is just keeping your hopes and dreams alive. Why you fall for it everyday is a question that only you can answer but it obviously fills a need. Most of us have choices on what we do and don't believe but some don't. I guess you're in the latter group.

No, if you want Trump out it's going to have to be done the way it's been done since the beginning of time. The media has got those with the weakest minds all ginned up and close to the point of physical altercations on a much larger scale. Antifa has already answered the call. It's a short step from where we are now before someone decides that it's time to wield political power the way Mao felt it should be done. Steve Scalise could probably provide some thoughts on that.

We're living in times of great prosperity with a future that is about as bright as it gets. It's easy to see this if one can block out the noise from the media. I've touched on the following before. There was a time when the distrust of big business was enormous within the left. What is it that has changed such that cable news channels and the dying print media (the Internet is print media too) who are out to make as much money as they possibly can fill their 24/7 programming with lie after lie interspersed with insanity and now, the left gobbles it up in an unthinking fashion? Why the change from hate for big business to love, devotion and blindly following everything presented to them? Books will be written about this.
Nicely written.
 

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1: Trump isn't the source of the idea that google results are biased.
2: Conservative media claims the idea of bias has some merit.

So why do you think that tweet storm is special?

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That’s because they placed every media organization that’s not on the extreme right as a ‘liberal’ one. Lol. Reuters, AP, all fact checking sites, fucking ESPN of all places are all liberal. Most of those sites on the right aren’t actually even news sites, they are extreme right wing opinion sites and conspiracy theory sites like Infowars.

This is a common right wing tactic. They stake out an insane, extreme position while mainstream sources stake out a...you guessed it... mainstream position. Conservatives then declare that the truly unbiased place is somewhere halfway between the two.

If conservative media wants to be linked more often by sites trying to supply people with credible information then they need to start providing more credible information. It’s not Google’s fault they made their business model around pandering to the crazies, it’s theirs.
 

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Republicans for small government....or something sufficiently authoritarian as long as it aligns with their grievances.

The Trump administration is “taking a look” at whether Google searches should be regulated by the government, said Larry Kudlow, President Trump’s economic adviser, outside the White House Tuesday.

The announcement puts the search giant squarely in the White House’s crosshairs amid wider allegations against the tech industry that it systematically discriminates against conservatives on social media and other platforms.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-what-he-sees-illegal/?utm_term=.7b38c6216c64