Please give me a couple examples of children harmed by pornography.

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Examples of harm? I think one need only read a few threads here concerning women to see proof of the harm.
The human body is a work of art and there is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at naked women.However we have a young generation that's been so exposed to this stuff that they routinely objectify women,grading them as if they were slabs of beef while at the same time being totally and utterly clueless as to how to approach and deal with women in real time.

I hardly think that's porn specific. It applies equally as much, if not moreso to Brittney Spears and Jenifer Love Hewitt and all those other TV stars who we only see with thier clothes on. I know what you're talking about, and it's evidenced by the "fugly" replies to posts involving non-famous women, but I hardly think the judgements are made solely based on pornography as an example of how women look.

It's not just the "fugly" comments and you're right TV and the media in general all play into this but a lot of attitudes that are openly and proudly displayed here concerning woimen are things men of a generation ago confined to the locker room if they spoke them at all. A group of young people who think DHITB is an acceptable response to any problem involving a female are proof positive that we've got some problems here.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Roger

Hmm? I never changed the title... it's the same as when I posted it.
Anyway, I'm not saying that it's OK or good to to show pornography to a child. Analogy: You wouldn't purposely harm your child of course, but if he accidentally fell off his bike and scraped his knee, you'd hardly make a big deal of it and say it has scarred him. In a few days the scrape will heal and the kid will barely remember the incident.

I saw violence on TV as a kid. Robocop scared me. I couldn't sleep after that movie. Yet I grew up OK. I don't think TV violence has the effect on kids that some people beleive. I also played wolfenstein on the computer when Iw as about 10. I shot Nazis. I didn't go aout and shoot my friends. Similarly, the dirty magazines the neighbor kid showed me didn't turn me into a rapist.

I don't think that pictures on a video screen or on paper affect kids as much as some would like to beleive.

So you are basing your viewpoint on this subject on one example, you, what about all the children who grow up that beat woman, become murderers and rapists ?
You are a very narrow minded person.

That's all you see now on the nightly news.

No one I've ever known has ever grown up to become a murderer or rapist, and almost everyone I've ever known has watched violent movies and looked at porn.

You do see a lot of that on the news, but I don't see any corrolation to pornography.

 

[SaltBoy]

My brother is now divorced from his wife. You know one the big reasons why? He couldn't get rid of his addiction to porn. You know when he started looking at porn? When he was a kid.

Do the math.

 

[tcsenter]

Well from a religious standpoint, it's a sin to see such things.

Not to mention that virtually every sociology and developmental pyschology school of thought recognizes that exposure to explicit pornography as well as fantasy violence at certain ages or stages of development can corrupt or warp a child's views and perceptions.

If we're talking about breasts and non-sexually explicit nude photos, no big deal.

If we're talking anal fisting or some other explicit and deviant sexual depiction, its a big deal.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Examples of harm? I think one need only read a few threads here concerning women to see proof of the harm.
The human body is a work of art and there is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at naked women.However we have a young generation that's been so exposed to this stuff that they routinely objectify women,grading them as if they were slabs of beef while at the same time being totally and utterly clueless as to how to approach and deal with women in real time.

I hardly think that's porn specific. It applies equally as much, if not moreso to Brittney Spears and Jenifer Love Hewitt and all those other TV stars who we only see with thier clothes on. I know what you're talking about, and it's evidenced by the "fugly" replies to posts involving non-famous women, but I hardly think the judgements are made solely based on pornography as an example of how women look.

Those examples are soft porn. It's still porn. We're living in a pornographic entertainment generation.

 

[Azraele]

EDIT: No I don't have kids and no, the "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own" line isn't going to help me to see your point of view.

Why did you bother making it a topic at all then?

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe


It's not just the "fugly" comments and you're right TV and the media in general all play into this but a lot of attitudes that are openly and proudly displayed here concerning woimen are things men of a generation ago confined to the locker room if they spoke them at all. A group of young people who think DHITB is an acceptable response to any problem involving a female are proof positive that we've got some problems here.

I'd say that the inabiltity of the forum goers to deal with women stems from a youth wasted in front of a computer, not porn. Social retards have problems in all aspects of human contact, not just with females. And unless we're talking about people with strict religious upbrinigings, when males congregate it's only a matter of time before women are objectified. It's just what we do. Whether it's a biological imperative to find the best mate, or whether we're just pigs, it's what happens. This does NOT mean that we are incapable of sustaining a healthy relationship.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Azraele

EDIT: No I don't have kids and no, the "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own" line isn't going to help me to see your point of view.

Why did you bother making it a topic at all then?

I was hoping people had some arguments other than "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own", which they do, and some are very valid, especially the objectification of women argument.

 

No one I've ever known has ever grown up to become a murderer or rapist, and almost everyone I've ever known has watched violent movies and looked at porn.

You do see a lot of that on the news, but I don't see any corrolation to pornography.

OK Notfred, I am not going to argue with you, If you want to show your young children Pron, go right ahead, you are obviously much older and wiser than I and I bow in awe in your presence.
You sir would be the perfect candidate for the president of the United States, no morals or common sense, I wish your future children the best of luck, that is all 🙂

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Well from a religious standpoint, it's a sin to see such things.

Not to mention that virtually every sociology and developmental pyschology school of thought recognizes that exposure to explicit pornography as well as fantasy violence at certain ages or stages of development can corrupt or warp a child's views and perceptions.

If we're talking about breasts and non-sexually explicit nude photos, no big deal.

If we're talking anal fisting or some other explicit and deviant sexual depiction, its a big deal.

yea, what he said.

 

[Azraele]

I was hoping people had some arguments other than "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own".

There have been arguments other than that. Re-read the thread.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Azraele

EDIT: No I don't have kids and no, the "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own" line isn't going to help me to see your point of view.

Why did you bother making it a topic at all then?

I was hoping people had some arguments other than "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own".

Considering that:
- You don't have children of your own (nor do I)
- You keep insisting that you and your friends all saw porn like crazy as kids and turned out fine
I doubt you will accept any of the arguments or examples anyone gives here.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Azraele

EDIT: No I don't have kids and no, the "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own" line isn't going to help me to see your point of view.

Why did you bother making it a topic at all then?

I was hoping people had some arguments other than "you'll feel different when you have kids of your own", which they do, and some are very valid, especially the objectification of women argument.

Which is a valid argument on their part...

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Roger

No one I've ever known has ever grown up to become a murderer or rapist, and almost everyone I've ever known has watched violent movies and looked at porn.

You do see a lot of that on the news, but I don't see any corrolation to pornography.

OK Notfred, I am not going to argue with you, If you want to show your young children Pron, go right ahead, you are obviously much older and wiser than I and I bow in awe in your presence.
You sir would be the perfect candidate for the president of the United States, no morals or common sense, I wish your future children the best of luck, that is all 🙂

I don't feel that a child accidentally seeing a couple porn pop-up windows harmed him. This means I have no morals.

Just for fun, I looked up "morals" at your favorite website - dictionary.com.

Morals: Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong.

I think rape is wrong. I guess I have at least one moral.
I think murder is wrong. There's two, that qualifies as "morals".

I do not beleive that a brief viewing of a couple pornographic images is harmful to a child. You'll note that I made no assertation of whether it was right or wrong, but simply whether or not it caused harm. Also it's really not a rule of conduct, as what we're talking about is an accidental viewing. Regardless of whether I think that it's harmful or not, it really has no bearing on morality.

If I said "Kids should look at porn, it would be wrong of them not to" or "kids shouldn't look at porn, it's just not right", that would have been a statement of morals.

Similarly, if I was debating whether or not smoking marajuana was harmful to one's health, it would hardly be an issue of morals. Saying "polluting your body with drugs is wrong" that would be an assertation of morals. Saying "marajuana has certain side effects including dry mouth, increased hunger, and slowed reaction time" is not a judgement on the morality of whether or not smoking marajuana is right.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Roger

No one I've ever known has ever grown up to become a murderer or rapist, and almost everyone I've ever known has watched violent movies and looked at porn.

You do see a lot of that on the news, but I don't see any corrolation to pornography.

OK Notfred, I am not going to argue with you, If you want to show your young children Pron, go right ahead, you are obviously much older and wiser than I and I bow in awe in your presence.
You sir would be the perfect candidate for the president of the United States, no morals or common sense, I wish your future children the best of luck, that is all 🙂

I don't feel that a child accidentally seeing a couple porn pop-up windows harmed him. This means I have no morals.

Just for fun, I looked up "morals" at your favorite website - dictionary.com.

Morals: Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong.

I think rape is wrong. I guess I have at least one moral.
I think murder is wrong. There's two, that qualifies as "morals".

I do not beleive that a brief viewing of a couple pornographic images is harmful to a child. You'll note that I made no assertation of whether it was right or wrong, but simply whether or not it caused harm. Also it's really not a rule of conduct, as what we're talking about is an accidental viewing. Regardless of whether I think that it's harmful or not, it really has no bearing on morality.

If I said "Kids should look at porn, it would be wrong of them not to" or "kids shouldn't look at porn, it's just not right", that would have been a statement of morals.

Similarly, if I was debating whether or not smoking marajuana was harmful to one's health, it would hardly be an issue of morals. Saying "polluting your body with drugs is wrong" that would be an assertation of morals. Saying "marajuana has certain side effects including dry mouth, increased hunger, and slowed reaction time" is not a judgement on the morality of whether or not smoking marajuana is right.

How do you explain to a child a pop up of a naked woman with her hands tied behind her back giving a guy a blow job. A six year old boy hasn't even had his first erection yet, let alone seen a naked woman. What informative context is possible?

I personally think here is a difference between you stealing a few ditry magazines and seeing a girl's boobies and perhaps what she's got with her leg's spread open, than a popup showing an actual sex act that you'd otherwise never see any other time in your childhood. How often does a kid see a vibrator shoved up someones butt or a fist crammed up a girl or two guys holding each other's erections while splooging in mid-air?

There's a difference between porn and naked beauty. Porn isn't "beautiful" until you've reached a level of physical and emotional maturity capable of understanding the context. To a 6 year old the same popup an adult can enjoy DOES look like "violence".

 

[gordy]

as an aside, the availibilty of it (internet) has seemingly taken it up a notch...

why is there such a proliferation of boob-jobs in recent years? when, pre-internet, a silicone boobjob was synonomous with class action lawsuit

also, whats up with the slew of personal hygene products? again, pre-internet, you'd see the odd pad/tampon advert and giggle.. now you cant watch t.v. for 15 min. w/o seeing an ad for feminine moisture/odor/infection! is there really that much more infected, dry, stinky p---y out there?

has internet porn educated/debased us to this point where women can only be attractive with fake-boobies(abeit there's alot of bad-really bad 'jobs' out there) and to a much-lesser degree the insertion of fruit,vegetables, animals and other worldy objects?

yes, for all my above crassness i agree it is harmful, there's a many things i've had the displeasure of seeing, and unfortuenatly things once seen can't be 'un-seen' try not to even let it get a foot-hold

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rudder
Myabe he is trying to teach his son to respect women. Porn does not accomplish that very well. I guess for people like you, who prefer porn over the real thing, would not see that as a problem

While I want to call you an idiot, I know its wrong. Its just a knee jerk reaction to the narrow sighted thinking I see here. So, even though I may not be doing anything wrong, I want to apologize 🙂

Anyhow, check out a few articles:
1. Wendy McElroy: Pornography is Good
Banning Pornography Endangers Women by Wendy McElroy

I read one of her articles (Pornography in a book I got for xmas). It was pretty good. It explains that, basically, pornography should be considered free speech.

If you go to WendyMcElroy.com (A site for Individualist Feminism
and Individualist Anarchism), it probably explains more on the subject.

I personally consider pornography to be a form of art. Take it or leave it as you wish. If women want to engage in that particular art, they should have, and do have the choice. It is their choice. It allows women to express themselves sexually in a forum of their choosing. So how does pornography disrespect women?

EDIT: I just wanted to throw in, regarding the original topic, that I dont think pornography harms a child (within reason -ie. no donkey porn). But, if a parent wants to keep it from their children I do not think its a bad thing, atleast until they reach an age they can better understand it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Examples of harm? I think one need only read a few threads here concerning women to see proof of the harm.
The human body is a work of art and there is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at naked women.However we have a young generation that's been so exposed to this stuff that they routinely objectify women,grading them as if they were slabs of beef while at the same time being totally and utterly clueless as to how to approach and deal with women in real time.

And older generations dont objectify women? Take the "Id hit it!" idiots out of the equation for a moment. These last few decades and whatnot have seen women getting more and more advantages over where they were in the past. Their pay has risen, they do not have to "fear" as much going into jobs once thought to be a man's job, etc.

One of the big problems with men not being able to approach women is the way women act. But that is an entirely different thread.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: rudder
Myabe he is trying to teach his son to respect women. Porn does not accomplish that very well. I guess for people like you, who prefer porn over the real thing, would not see that as a problem

While I want to call you an idiot, I know its wrong. Its just a knee jerk reaction to the narrow sighted thinking I see here. So, even though I may not be doing anything wrong, I want to apologize 🙂

Anyhow, check out a few articles:
1. Wendy McElroy: Pornography is Good
Banning Pornography Endangers Women by Wendy McElroy

I read one of her articles (Pornography in a book I got for xmas). It was pretty good. It explains that, basically, pornography should be considered free speech.

If you go to WendyMcElroy.com (A site for Individualist Feminism
and Individualist Anarchism), it probably explains more on the subject.

I personally consider pornography to be a form of art. Take it or leave it as you wish. If women want to engage in that particular art, they should have, and do have the choice. It is their choice. It allows women to express themselves sexually in a forum of their choosing. So how does pornography disrespect women?

EDIT: I just wanted to throw in, regarding the original topic, that I dont think pornography harms a child (within reason -ie. no donkey porn). But, if a parent wants to keep it from their children I do not think its a bad thing, atleast until they reach an age they can better understand it.

Interesting how far Liberal propoganda has gone...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: rudder
Myabe he is trying to teach his son to respect women. Porn does not accomplish that very well. I guess for people like you, who prefer porn over the real thing, would not see that as a problem

While I want to call you an idiot, I know its wrong. Its just a knee jerk reaction to the narrow sighted thinking I see here. So, even though I may not be doing anything wrong, I want to apologize 🙂

Anyhow, check out a few articles:
1. Wendy McElroy: Pornography is Good
Banning Pornography Endangers Women by Wendy McElroy

I read one of her articles (Pornography in a book I got for xmas). It was pretty good. It explains that, basically, pornography should be considered free speech.

If you go to WendyMcElroy.com (A site for Individualist Feminism
and Individualist Anarchism), it probably explains more on the subject.

I personally consider pornography to be a form of art. Take it or leave it as you wish. If women want to engage in that particular art, they should have, and do have the choice. It is their choice. It allows women to express themselves sexually in a forum of their choosing. So how does pornography disrespect women?

EDIT: I just wanted to throw in, regarding the original topic, that I dont think pornography harms a child (within reason -ie. no donkey porn). But, if a parent wants to keep it from their children I do not think its a bad thing, atleast until they reach an age they can better understand it.

Interesting how far Liberal propoganda has gone...

Please cite information on how articles on freedom of expression for women is liberal propoganda.

"Oh crap Cletus, she's wearin' shoes! Next thing y'all know, she'll want a job o'er own!"

 

[iamme]

Just a thought, not sure if it's on target or true, but: aren't we all proof that pornography is bad? Especially online porn, which is so easily accessible?

Think about how young the internet is, and then think about how porn is becoming so "accepted". We are so desensitized to porn, that people aren't afraid to admit that they have gigabytes of porn on their computers. Turn those GB's into stacks of magazines and videotapes, and imagine how you would have been labelled as a troubled pervert a decade back.

Now, imagine kids looking at porn at an even earlier age. What will be acceptable when they are in their adults? Porn servers in their own basements? On demand porn on their video-enabled cell phones? PDA-wristwatches that can wirelessly stream porn DVD's?

My point is that I think porn is a problem, because it's slowly becoming more "acceptable" and we are becoming more desensitized to it at an earlier age. Maybe it's a little conservative, but that's how I feel.

 

[boyRacer]

Charles Manson... or one of those serial killers/rapist... actually that's a rather ignorant answer. 😱 I just read a book somewhere... "Living on the Edge" by Dr. Dobson... or something like that... supposedly his addiction to pornography led him to do all those things.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: iamme
Just a thought, not sure if it's on target or true, but: aren't we all proof that pornography is bad? Especially online porn, which is so easily accessible?

Think about how young the internet is, and then think about how porn is becoming so "accepted". We are so desensitized to porn, that people aren't afraid to admit that they have gigabytes of porn on their computers. Turn those GB's into stacks of magazines and videotapes, and imagine how you would have been labelled as a troubled pervert a decade back.

Now, imagine kids looking at porn at an even earlier age. What will be acceptable when they are in their adults? Porn servers in their own basements? On demand porn on their video-enabled cell phones? PDA-wristwatches that can wirelessly stream porn DVD's?

My point is that I think porn is a problem, because it's slowly becoming more "acceptable" and we are becoming more desensitized to it at an earlier age. Maybe it's a little conservative, but that's how I feel.

If it is not a problem when it is not as accessible, it should not be a problem when it is more accessible. You can view porn on your PDA now. Its not tough.

Think about music. If you listened to some of the stuff 30 years ago that you listen to now, you would be labeled disturbed. Does that make you disturbed? Not at all. The world has grown up a bit.

Im not trying to argue that children should be viewing porn, I believe that is the choice of the parents and dont believe I have any right telling a parent my opinions on how they should raise their child.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: boyRacer
Charles Manson... or one of those serial killers/rapist... actually that's a rather ignorant answer. 😱 I just read a book somewhere... "Living on the Edge" by Dr. Dobson... or something like that... supposedly his addiction to pornography led him to do all those things.

See, now *that* is a liberal thing. Putting the blame for something you did on something else entirely. What a crock.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: iamme
Just a thought, not sure if it's on target or true, but: aren't we all proof that pornography is bad? Especially online porn, which is so easily accessible?

Think about how young the internet is, and then think about how porn is becoming so "accepted". We are so desensitized to porn, that people aren't afraid to admit that they have gigabytes of porn on their computers. Turn those GB's into stacks of magazines and videotapes, and imagine how you would have been labelled as a troubled pervert a decade back.

Now, imagine kids looking at porn at an even earlier age. What will be acceptable when they are in their adults? Porn servers in their own basements? On demand porn on their video-enabled cell phones? PDA-wristwatches that can wirelessly stream porn DVD's?

My point is that I think porn is a problem, because it's slowly becoming more "acceptable" and we are becoming more desensitized to it at an earlier age. Maybe it's a little conservative, but that's how I feel.

If it is not a problem when it is not as accessible, it should not be a problem when it is more accessible. You can view porn on your PDA now. Its not tough.

Think about music. If you listened to some of the stuff 30 years ago that you listen to now, you would be labeled disturbed. Does that make you disturbed? Not at all. The world has grown up a bit.

Im not trying to argue that children should be viewing porn, I believe that is the choice of the parents and dont believe I have any right telling a parent my opinions on how they should raise their child.

I would have to disagree. The world is getting more and more childish as children are forced to have shorter childhoods and less adults make it to a mature state of mind.