Please enable nested quoting.

[Jeff7]

Another vote here to allow nested quotes - at the very least, one level of nesting would be a significant improvement.


(Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I loved being able to just type [q] to get a quote, instead of typing out the whole word "quote" in there.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Another vote for allowing at least one level of nesting on quotes. It's a PITA to quote someone else, that is quoting someone else, for "posterity" (for the mods).

 

[Tristicus]

While one might be alright...it's horribly easy just to press the multi-quote button...

 

[jalaram]

What about the people that don't live here and run into threads that already have 100+ posts in it? It makes it a confusing mess for those people to sort things out.

I find that the nested quotes make it even more of a mess. People are too lazy to quote the correct message(s). I used to edit down the multiple layers of nested quoted crap just so I could answer a specific post. And I'm against it if only to remove the multi-LOL or multi-ditto nested posts.

 

[shortylickens]

I support nested quotes but no more than 3 levels deep.

And there should be a cutoff for how much text gets quoted in any case. Do not like seeing long ass stories quoted with a "LOL". That was especially bad in the Better Nate than Lever thread.

 

[soccerballtux]

I really want this. I personally want at least 7, possibly 9. Without nesting conversations really devolve and I can't follow them.
I would be willing to compromise with 5.
3 is absolutely not enough to follow long discussions.

 

[olds]

The ability is there. If we are too stupid to figure it out, we are too stupid to be posting.

 

[shortylickens]

The ability is there. If we are too stupid to figure it out, we are too stupid to be posting.

"Too stupid to post"?
You've been here how long?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The ability is there. If we are too stupid to figure it out, we are too stupid to be posting.

"Too stupid to post"?
You've been here how long?

Selective extraction to destroy a post's context does not bode well for you.





Look: Nested quotes - If an old fart like myself can figure it out - you young whippersnapper hotshots should have no problem.

 

[olds]

The ability is there. If we are too stupid to figure it out, we are too stupid to be posting.

I support nested quotes but no more than 3 levels deep.

And there should be a cutoff for how much text gets quoted in any case. Do not like seeing long ass stories quoted with a "LOL". That was especially bad in the Better Nate than Lever thread.

I really want this. I personally want at least 7, possibly 9. Without nesting conversations really devolve and I can't follow them.
I would be willing to compromise with 5.
3 is absolutely not enough to follow long discussions.

"Too stupid to post"?
You've been here how long?

Selective extraction to destroy a post's context does not bode well for you.





Look: Nested quotes - If an old fart like myself can figure it out - you young whippersnapper hotshots should have no problem.

Tru dat

 

[DrPizza]

Simple enough to do. Takes minimal effort. History shows that too many members are too lazy to go through the minimal effort needed to remove the unnecessary nested quotes. Thus, I prefer the minor inconvenience of creating a nested quote vs. the constant annoyance of unnecessary nested quotes.

But, as a person who reads a lot of threads, I haven't noticed a short attention span problem prohibiting me from following multiple threaded conversations within the same thread.

In fact, I can't think of a single example where it IS necessary to have a nested quote.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Simple enough to do. Takes minimal effort. History shows that too many members are too lazy to go through the minimal effort needed to remove the unnecessary nested quotes. Thus, I prefer the minor inconvenience of creating a nested quote vs. the constant annoyance of unnecessary nested quotes.

But, as a person who reads a lot of threads, I haven't noticed a short attention span problem prohibiting me from following multiple threaded conversations within the same thread.

In fact, I can't think of a single example where it IS necessary to have a nested quote.

The problem is that there are members here that have a short attention span and need their hands held.

Heaven forbid that they have to actually exercise the few memory cells that work!:hmm:

 

[soccerballtux]

The problem is that there are members here that have a short attention span and need their hands held.

Heaven forbid that they have to actually exercise the few memory cells that work!:hmm:

nothing to do with attention span for me, everything to do with difficulty in either a). scanning with my eye for the next post by that user, and checking if it's a reply to the other guys reply or b). using search function. I am not going to spend 5 minutes scrolling through 2 pages looking for who is replying to whom and keeping track of all that crap.

I think I'm going to just start linking the greasemonkey script and directions in my sig, because this is ridiculous. Maybe when everybody is back to multi-nesting 10 deep you guys will listen and implement the vB plugin and enable it for 5 by default.

Edit: Sig updated.

 

[DrPizza]

"Without nesting conversations really devolve and I can't follow them." "I am not going to spend 5 minutes scrolling through 2 pages looking for who is replying to whom and keeping track of all that crap."

So, what you're trying to say is that you refuse to read the threads - you want everything summarized in one gigantic post with as many as 9 nested posts.

I've got bad news news for you... "back to multi-nesting 10 deep..." It won't make it to 10 deep. Back in the fusetalk days, the moderators usually started warning and vacationing people at under that amount. I personally spent quite a bit of time moderating by trimming down unnecessarily nested quotes, all the while muttering "stupid fusetalk, why does it allow posts to be nested so deep." Go ahead, search technical forum issues & personal forum issues. There are dozens of complaints from the Fusetalk days about excessively nested posts, and that doesn't even begin to compare to the number of PMs to the moderators complaining about certain threads. There's absolutely no reason for 10, 9, 7, or even 5. And, imho, no reason for more than 1 or 2.

 

[soccerballtux]

"Without nesting conversations really devolve and I can't follow them." "I am not going to spend 5 minutes scrolling through 2 pages looking for who is replying to whom and keeping track of all that crap."

So, what you're trying to say is that you refuse to read the threads - you want everything summarized in one gigantic post with as many as 9 nested posts.

I've got bad news news for you... "back to multi-nesting 10 deep..." It won't make it to 10 deep. Back in the fusetalk days, the moderators usually started warning and vacationing people at under that amount. I personally spent quite a bit of time moderating by trimming down unnecessarily nested quotes, all the while muttering "stupid fusetalk, why does it allow posts to be nested so deep." Go ahead, search technical forum issues & personal forum issues. There are dozens of complaints from the Fusetalk days about excessively nested posts, and that doesn't even begin to compare to the number of PMs to the moderators complaining about certain threads. There's absolutely no reason for 10, 9, 7, or even 5. And, imho, no reason for more than 1 or 2.

If you want to define it like that, then yes. Discussion progresses very rapidly in P&N, half the time I wouldn't enter a thread till it was on page 3 or so. Having everything connected all in one [the most recent] post where 3 people are tossing back and forth every hour, made catching up on the discussion a breeze. And, when it became a problem, people tended to self-censor/snip it.

The way it is now, if I'm not following the conversation from the beginning, I can't participate intelligently.
So I just don't bother with it. 3 pages at 100 replies/page is just silly to expect people to have to wade through a bunch of noise to find the real gem points of the discussion. I specifically recall thinking what a wonderful thing nested quoting is in the F-22 discussion. That thing was 10 pages when I saw it first, and I was able to catch up on all the important parts in about 5 minutes. I learned a lot in that thread about the F-22 program, and I would not have learned that if I had to wade through 10 40-reply pages.

The best argument I've heard so far against nested quoting is "it's annoying". People have to scroll further...

There are other vB forums I never bothered participating in for this same reason. I loved the discussions at Anandtech Forums because you could actually have an intelligent conversation with people and have mini-debates over the span of 5-8 replies back and forth. Not so any more. I do miss it.

 

[Zee]

It's fine if you are quoting directly above you, it gets annoying when its the 94th reply which quotes the 17th and you have to scroll back and forth trying to find it...

and apparently I fail at nesting...

this. who the fuck is going to scroll through pages to add a quote? nested quote is just better all around 3 levels deep at least

 

[Ken g6]

By the way, Soccerballtux, your sig needs updating.