please convince me not to buy a macbook (update: MISSION FAILED)

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smackababy

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For people talking about price, please find me a laptop of the same quality (with the same RAM and SSD) as a rMBP for that price. I'll even accept a lesser screen.

They don't don't make them in a cheaper price range. The reality is a rMBP is pretty much the best laptop you can get, if you need specs like at least 8GB of RAM, a decent screen, and have it not fall apart after 6 months. So, if I was spending $1,500 on a laptop (which you will have to for those specs), a rMBP is not a bad deal.
 

postmortemIA

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Last year, I bought a System76 Galago UltraPro instead of a Macbook Pro. At the time a maxed out Macbook Pro was $2000 and a $1400 System76 Galago was twice as powerful. The only thing I don't like about the Galago is that the trackpad is awful.

I might get a Macbook Pro for my next laptop. Seems like an awful waste of money for running Linux, but I don't want to compromise on physical quality again.

trackpad on Mac is awesome. way better than anything in PC Windows world. Sounds silly, but that and Windows 8 is one of many reasons for me to select the Mac. Along with great battery life.

So pros are
great screen
great trackpad
great OS
lightweight
decent specs
build quality
resale value

cons are
pricey if not base configuration
not the top of the line specs
 

Zodiark1593

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Weak video card = no deal for myself. Reason I would never buy any Mac. However, not counting gaming or 3d work, they're fine machines.
 

destrekor

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Because I didn't want to. My computer is 100% post consumer recycled content, and most importantly, it's suitable for the task.

Regarding Rakellion's comment about someone who uses a $100 computer not being suitable for this site; he's probably right. Technologists and hackers have turned into consumerist n00bs. A technologist now is someone who buys the most expensive kit, and gets stuff to create envy amongst the other facebook drooling "technologists", instead of making sensible hardware do tricks, and using one's brain to make the computer better.

You seem to expect people don't have any need for systems with higher performance.
According to you, if I buy a MacBook Pro, I'm simply a noob who doesn't understand computers.
I should be able to get buy with a $500 Celeron-level laptop just fine. Of course, I don't mind waiting years to process 500MB PSD files or batch convert a selection of RAW files. The inaccurate display will surely cause no issues, and obviously I can adapt to the quirks of the keyboard and touchpad. The battery life is a non issue so long as I remember to be near power outlets.

If you only type and browse, spend what you can justify. That my $500 Acer is actually still kicking 8 years later is impressive, but the last 4 years its been rarely used, and mostly useless. Typing notes and studying and wasting time? That was all I needed at the time.


The argument that everything is Chinese and cheap really doesn't matter - to get the same chipsets and internal hardware in any laptop will basically have the same cost across the board. You might have a slight charge for premium build, but the cost of a Mac compared to a throwaway Dell is not related to build or materials, rather the increase in performance.

If you are after performance, it is really just down to Mac or Windows (and you can have both).

If someone just wants shiny, then I agree with your post. But in reality, outside of a college town, the majority of MacBook Pro owners you see at a coffee shop are likely involved in arts, design and/or publishing. And some, including MBA owners, may just want what they want.
Quite a few are just chasing pretty things, but quite a few actually need and use that performance.
 

PieIsAwesome

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I bought a 13" retina pro recently and it's the best laptop I've ever used. Unbelievable small and light, fast, dead silent. Also they have good resale value. Time machine is awesome.

Oops I guess this doesn't help.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
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I bought a 13" retina pro recently and it's the best laptop I've ever used. Unbelievable small and light, fast, dead silent. Also they have good resale value. Time machine is awesome.

Oops I guess this doesn't help.

:biggrin:

with that big res and smaller screen, did you find it any harder to read text?
 

PieIsAwesome

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:biggrin:

with that big res and smaller screen, did you find it any harder to read text?

Everything is scaled 2x in the x and y. Useable real estate is about the same as a normal resolution screen that size, but everything is much clearer.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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Sure but you have to convince me to take a troll post seriously first. :)

-KeithP

lol, i sware, this is actually legit!

it started because i am going to a conference soon and my work laptop wont cut it (super heavy and secured to the hilt).

so i would have to borrow a laptop or get my own (right now i only have a desktop at home). there have been a lot of times when i wanted to use a laptop around the house or even take it somewhere else, but have not had one to use.

at first i just considered an el cheapo acer or something of that nature, but am for some reason being drawn by the allure of the mac. who knows, it could just be a groupthink thing.

perhaps i like a420 am weak minded, but unfortunately i do not have a handy list of genetic defects to explain that.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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:biggrin:

with that big res and smaller screen, did you find it any harder to read text?

It's high-res, but it's all wrapped around scaling. I think the 13" models ship with 1280x800 as the default apparent resolution. It'll look super sharp and awesome, the text and icons aren't impossibly tiny. You can force the native resolution but, as you'd expect, it would really be impossible to read text. You can bump it up to a higher scaled resolution but apparently the best quality and performance is the default.

Better explained here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5996/how-the-retina-display-macbook-pro-handles-scaling
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Oct 10, 2005
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If you don't need OSx for anything, just get one of these.

I still love mine 5 months later. No regrets, and I don't have to deal with that ugly silver anodization Apple puts on everything they make.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
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If you buy one I'm going to crawl through my modem, pimp slap you and steal your lunch money.


There, you're welcome.
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Sorry, but I can't agree with that. I've used cheap $500 plastic laptops that started falling apart and having component failures after six months, and $1,500 business class laptops that gave me 3 or 4 years of trouble-free operation. The difference is like night and day. If you're doing real work on your laptop, the extra cost is worth it just from the reliability standpoint.

Yep. I just bought a recertified Dell Latitude E7440 ultrabook from Dell Outlet with a 30% off coupon. Looked at a number of consumer grade laptops but most are crap(poor build quality, crappy keyboard and/or poor display). It comes with a three year warranty too, for less than $900.