It's possible that it's game dependent. It's that way on the 360. Some games will pause and others keep chugging along when the Xbox button is pressed.
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I actually may like the trophies system more than the rather basic achievements system. I like the idea of the 4 different stages of trophies, and being able to immediately see which games you've "completed" 100% and such. I don't care for the leveling system, but it's smart on Sony's part, because now fanboys will not only brag about their total trophies, but their level, too.
The list of eventually supported games is pretty weak, though. If I were Sony, I'd be making sure that every single game released on their platform supports the trophy system from now on. It just won't work unless every game supports it from the moment of availability.
The list of eventually supported games is pretty weak, though. If I were Sony, I'd be making sure that every single game released on their platform supports the trophy system from now on. It just won't work unless every game supports it from the moment of availability.
That's their biggest flaw - lack of a mandatory foundation. It's also why I am severely skeptical about Home. With the 360, Live is built into the platform - with very little needed to be done on the developer's part. With the PS3, this all needs to be done by the developer, and as of now it seems very few 3rd-party devs are willing to put the effort into it.
Also, the lack of a standardized voice chat system is ridiculous. I can't imagine playing with a group of 4 friends without voice chat.
They said they'll eventually enforce it, but they don't want to hinder the progress of any current titles that are already far along in development.
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If I'm watching a movie... I say screw the world. I want to be immersed in my movie. If I need to do something, a simple pause of the movie works well enough for me. I don't want people inviting me to play games or chatting with me while watching a movie, else I might as well not watch the movie. I dedicate time aside to watch a movie, and I will NOT be distracted. I'd ignore anything sent to me anyhow. Movies are a huge thing to me, as I enjoy basically any movie. I'm not overly critical, and love following every line of dialog. That's one reason I dislike watching movies with friends at someones house, because people inherently like to talk or make jokes. Kind of ruins it for me. But that's why it usually ends up being watching movies that aren't super serious or overly complicated or dramatic.
And on the note of trophies not being retroactive... good. It wouldn't make sense and wouldn't even work. That would permit people going and getting game saves now, and getting all the trophies with no work. If Live didn't have achievements at the start and instead had implemented them recently, old games wouldn't be retroactive either... just makes sense.
Hopefully Sony makes them required for all games after a certain point. I understand with games currently in development might not receive full trophy attention, but I expect the upcoming big titles will, and likely all games following. Hopefully the majority of titles already released will receive trophy treatment too. I expect they will, because when rumble came out, basically all titles ended up supporting it after some time.
And besides, a lot of the things that'll result in the rewarding of a trophy, gamers probably hadn't done, unless it was a natural point you'd have to reach in a game. Some games have ridiculous achievements on the 360, such as simply reaching a level or reaching some point that well... you'd have to reach. But they also have good achievements that you kind of have to go out of your way to get. I expect that's why the upper level trophies will be like, and it'll be good to go replay some of the older games just to get them. I know I will, because well, I haven't beat basically any game I own on my PS3, including GTAIV. I'm pretty far in GTAIV, but MGS4 came out, and now I'm working on that. Close to the end, just started Act 5.
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No. I just don't care.
I understand people being upset about the feature. Sounds like Sony is attempting to work on it, but rather than wait forever to get the feature for every single part of the system's features, they are tackling the main part: PS3 gaming.
It's a lack of a feature, but one that doesn't bother me, and thus... I don't care. Others can care, but I'm not them.
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The only thing I think would be nice to have is being invited to a game while watching a movie or PS2 game. Messaging friends and seeing friends lists while watching a movie isn't exactly my thing (fanboy alert...). That said, hopefully the XMB thing will be added to other features like movies and PS2 games in a future update.
As I expected some games will have retroactive trophies after all (Sony probably said they aren't to cover their asses). Burnout Paradise will be applying trophies with the next update.
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I think by retroactive trophies, they mean that just because you have a save file already present, it won't automatically see what you've done and award you trophies for stuff you've already accomplished. Games may be patched to add trophies, but you'll have to go through the game again to earn them.
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Originally posted by: destrekor
No. I just don't care.
I understand people being upset about the feature. Sounds like Sony is attempting to work on it, but rather than wait forever to get the feature for every single part of the system's features, they are tackling the main part: PS3 gaming.
It's a lack of a feature, but one that doesn't bother me, and thus... I don't care. Others can care, but I'm not them.
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I completely agree here. It's annoying to have notices of friends hopping on LIVE while watching an HD-DVD. I think this can be turned off in the settings for the 360, but I haven't bothered (since moving to blu-ray movies on the PS3). I definitely wouldn't want notices or chat requests while watching a movie on the PS3.
No, the developers have confirmed that you don't have to play again:
http://blog.us.playstation.com...-page-1/#comment-77737
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That's just Burnout, and with that game, it's almost too easy to have trophies retroactive since that game keeps track of everything already. GTA4 is another example of a game that keeps a shitload of stats with the save file. However, a lot of games most likely won't keep track of some of the more niche accomplishments that make achievements/trophies cool. For example, just from looking at the CoD4 achievements, there are some that I would guess wouldn't be saved in the save file, like killing 3 enemies in a row with a knife, or stabbing an injured crawling enemy, or surviving a dog attack. Unless a developer had the foresight to make record of some of this stuff, they'd have to patch the entire game to record these moments, and you'd have to play again.
I'm guessing SSHD will have some retroactive trophies. In the video, you could see a lot of them were completion-based, and his trophies all had the same creation date/time.
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Sony needs to implement an online representation of these trophies. Achievements are popular simply because it raises the e-penis of the nerdcore gamers....they can show their score to anybody. On the PS3, you can only show off to your friends on the console.
Sony wants all your friends to have PS3's too!
I have no doubt it will happen eventually. All of your info will already be online in a database somewhere.
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