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Discussion Playstation 6 speculation

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Golgatha said:
At one point I had 2 PSN subs due to gaming with my sons. One has expired and my primary account expires in 2029 because I stacked subs years ago. Not planning on renewing. As a side note, my XBox sub expired in March and there's absolutely no reason for me to renew there either, doubly so since the price is now $30 a month, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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This is a sentiment that I've been seeing anecdotally among friends for a while. People who held PSN accounts for over 10 years and are just not renewing and looking elsewhere for their games because Sony ceased to be their go-to steady stream of high quality single-player experiences. Sony gradually lost these people in their demand for infinite growth on live service (which was never going to happen because the whales that provide the money on other games are already hooked on those games).


I think Sony is now bracing for impact on videogame revenue which is why they started closing down studios like Bluepoint. Wasting all that money on producing a dozen live service games that were either cancelled mid-development or after launch is coming to bite them dearly. Marathon is standing at 25k daily players and I don't think the game is sustainable at that player count.



This might be part of the reason they're not postponing the PS6 release despite the RAMaggedon. They need the novelty ASAP to renew mindshare. I just don't think it's going to work.
 
jpiniero said:
You do realize the US price doesn't include any sales tax?
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I do realize that but the price delta at the time was higher than the EU's average sales tax * average yearly exchange rate.

The worst offender was the disc drive, though. $80 on the US vs. 120€ in Europe. Sony made us pay 30 to 40% more than Americans for the same product, and I found that to be borderline offensive.
So now I'm voting with my wallet. Me and many others.
 
I don't think I will pay more than $600 for PS6.

But it also depends on the lineup and stuff.

If all I can do is play PS5 games at launch and it's even $600 then I'm out.
 
purbeast0 said:
I don't think I will pay more than $600 for PS6.

But it also depends on the lineup and stuff.

If all I can do is play PS5 games at launch and it's even $600 then I'm out.
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PS6 exclusive Last of Us Part1 Super Ultra HD ReMastered
 
The RAM alone would be like $400. I think it'll be $899 unless things change radically soon.

Even if they think sales will stink because of the price, they kinda have to go ahead with it unless they can't get the supplies.
 
Win2012R2 said:
So he thinks per GB cost will be $10.
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From two weeks ago on dram exchange.

MrMPFR said:
- GDDR6 16Gb: $31 to $37.
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So $15.5-18.5 spot. Contract def far lower and I'm not sure GDDR6 still carries a significant discount. Only 5050, ARC and RDNA 4 uses it.

Math is also odd. I'm not sure the die math includes AMD semi custom ?GM cut /flat royalty.
Unspecified other as MLID ws lazy to not list more parts + the same as 2026 PS5 despite him insisting it was made to be cheap.

SoC cost also makes absolutely no sense for PS5. N6 is dirt cheap compared to N3 and it'll widen even more by 2027+. SoC cost gonna easily be 2X.

Win2012R2 said:
There will be retail margin also, at least 5%, maybe 10%.
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Yup as you said distribution and retail margin not accounted for.

40 GB was always a joke.

But TL;DR is that launching console under the current market conditions is a horrible idea, so hopefully there is a path towards pricing normality by EoY 2027.
 
Latest from MLID is PT def stronger than 5080, so it seems like he's pulling back from the PS6 5090 PT perf claim.

Anyone who thinks 9070XT/5070 TI raster and >= 5080 PT is outlandish in current titles?

Assuming we'll see significant fine wine on both fronts if work graphs are leveraged.
 
MrMPFR said:
Latest from MLID is PT def stronger than 5080, so it seems like he's pulling back from the PS6 5090 PT perf claim.

Anyone who thinks 9070XT/5070 TI raster and >= 5080 PT is outlandish in current titles?

Assuming we'll see significant fine wine on both fronts if work graphs are leveraged.
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9070xt raster should be fine, in general

I remember in general the PlayStation matches with prev gen xx70 card
 
ToTTenTranz said:
I'm left so disillusioned by the brand that I haven't really been picking up my PS5 at all. This isn't the Sony from my beloved PS4 / PS4 Pro / early-PS5 era at all, and it reads like every other gaming company governed by their CFO's incontinent pursue for the quick buck.
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Ugh I knew this was going to be a disaster when Michael Pachter, who is wrong about everything in gaming, was spraying himself over how great Jim Ryan was going to be for the company. Knew he was going to be Playstation's answer to Don Mattrick. Losing Bluepoint is such a kick to the nuts. I mean Bluepoint was one of the main reasons I bought a PS5 early on because of how insane the Demon's Souls remake was. And then early gen they also killed off Japan Studio who was behind awesome exclusives like Gravity Rush 1 & 2 and The Last Guardian that were a big reason to get a PS4. I like Astro Bot but nuts to stripping down such a great studio into a skeleton crew just to focus only on that series. If it wasn't for GTA VI coming to console first I'd probably sell my PS5 and just wait for Ghost of Yotei and Wolverine to come to PC when no one buys an $800 PS6.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Latest rumors / leaks point to GTA VI releasing February 2027. That's 3 months after the PS5 release.
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I also think PS6 will release in 2028 but Helix in 2027. this is because Microsoft is targetting a premium niche (the opposite end of the scale of Nintendo)

so PS6 has to be mainstream hence 2028 launch

so GTA6 on ps5 & ps5 pro in late 2026
GTA6 on PC (& xbox helix) in H1 2027 ?
ps6 in 2028
 
MrMPFR said:
Latest from MLID is PT def stronger than 5080, so it seems like he's pulling back from the PS6 5090 PT perf claim.
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CyberPunk 2027 managed to do a very good job on PS5 Pro - so that looks very well for PS6 pro which will defo be a LOT quicker doing RT
MrMPFR said:
So $15.5-18.5 spot. Contract def far lower and I'm not sure GDDR6 still carries a significant discount. Only 5050, ARC and RDNA 4 uses it.
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GDDR7 is certainly sold at premium - precisely because they are sold in SKUs that are themselves not bottom of the pile, plus it's newer tech.
jpiniero said:
Sony isn't going to delay the launch just because of the launch price.
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If they plan to launch end of 2027 then they'd have to secure RAM supplies right now - with current pricing trends, and manufacturers now want 3-5 year long contracts.

IMHO Sony will choose to wait 1 year and then secure allocation for 2028 release. They've got PS5 Pro for GTA6 anyway, so they will clean up very nicely.

There is also another factor - N3 is in very high demand right now and will be certainly all next year.
 
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Win2012R2 said:
If they plan to launch end of 2027 then they'd have to secure RAM supplies right now - with current pricing trends, and manufacturers now want 3-5 year long contracts.

IMHO Sony will choose to wait 1 year and then secure allocation for 2028 release. They've got PS5 Pro for GTA6 anyway, so they will clean up very nicely.
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There's no guarantee that GDDR7 pricing will be meaningfully lower next year when they would have to make orders for a 2028 launch. And you'd just be buying GDDR6 which may not be much cheaper and possibly not even available.
 
jpiniero said:
There's no guarantee that GDDR7 pricing will be meaningfully lower next year when they would have to make orders for a 2028 launch. And you'd just be buying GDDR6 which may not be much cheaper and possibly not even available.
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Well they can't use GDDR6 for PS6, and yes - no guarantees what will happen with pricing, but locking yourself into 3-5 years contract at peak pricing time is rather stupid, waiting a year is a no brainer, more capacity will be brought online, better yields, and competitor Xbox has folded anyway.

In the meantime Sony will sell out on PS5Pros for GTA6, nicely made on GDDR6+N4 process.
 
jpiniero said:
The Pro is going to look real bad when GTA 6 is 30 fps on it and Magnus is 60.
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Of course GTA6 will be 60 fps on PS5 Pro, Sony made sure that happens by getting their engineers working with them.

Magnus won't release until late 2027 anyway, nobody's going to wait a year to play, and if it's true that they release PC version in early 2027 then the whole thing goes moot
 
Win2012R2 said:
CyberPunk 2027 managed to do a very good job on PS5 Pro - so that looks very well for PS6 pro which will defo be a LOT quicker doing RT
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Then it's def getting RT overdrive mode. PSSR3 shouldn't have any problems with ~800p internal res and hitting 4K60 should be easy.

Win2012R2 said:
GDDR7 is certainly sold at premium - precisely because they are sold in SKUs that are themselves not bottom of the pile, plus it's newer tech.
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I forgot about consoles so that changes the calculus a bit.
Doubt 16Gbit GDDR7 modules have a significant premium but 24-32Gb chips 100%.

jpiniero said:
It won't because of the CPU. Handheld will use (M)FG which will be a lot of fun.
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Yeah unless they have some very novel system for offloading stuff to GPU then it won't work and even then unlikely. Leaning towards 30 FPS on ALL current gen consoles.
 
jpiniero said:
It won't because of the CPU.
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Devs who make GTA6 are the best in optimisations of all sorts, especially CPU, it will run at 60 FPS on PS5Pro
MrMPFR said:
Doubt 16Gbit GDDR7 modules have a significant premium but 24-32Gb chips 100%.
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Yes, they will look cheap compared to 24-32 Gb, but not compared to where GDDR6 was. Nobody in the Cartel will help sell near zero margin products when they can redirect capacity towards high margin servers.
MrMPFR said:
Yeah unless they have some very novel system for offloading stuff to GPU then it won't work and even then unlikely.
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GTA5 worked on PS4, and they've got far more CPU power than Jaguar could possibly offer (at least 4x), and yes most likely they'll do their best to offload stuff to GPU.

Better looking 30 FPS won't shift many PS5Pros, but 60 FPS will.
 
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jpiniero said:
If Sony had upgraded the CPU on the Pro to Zen 4, I think it would be 60 fps. But they didn't.
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No, they didn't, but that does not mean GTA6 won't run 60 fps on PS5 Pro. Even if it's 40 FPS then it's still going to be a lot better, and 40 certainly will be doable.
 
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