Playstation 4 in development

[Beev]

I can tell you this though where I work (which will stay nameless) we sell game/systems etc..

The store hasn't sold a ps-3 in nearly 4 weeks....
Cant keep xbox in stock hardly though.

None of this has to do with the PSN issues. Nope, not at all. I'm going to assume you work for Gamestop or another specialty retailer, and it shows.

 

[mmntech]

Looks like they want BC or they probably would've went something else so I guess we can expect another NV GPU. Wonder if they'll use XDR2?

I hope not, though it's part of the Cell's architecture. Mind you, the PowerXCell for servers and supercomputers uses standard DDR. Rambus needs to die a quick and painful death. Toss some GDDR5 and DDR4 in there and I'll be very happy.

Sony is hinting they want to use off-the-shelf components for the NGP. A sharp contrast to the in-house specialty hardware used in the PS3. They might go that route with the PS4 to reduce costs. The PS3 really was a premium product when it came out, marketed toward a mainstream audience. That hurt Sony.

 

[Rifter]

None of this has to do with the PSN issues. Nope, not at all. I'm going to assume you work for Gamestop or another specialty retailer, and it shows.

yeah no kidding.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I R TEH 360 FANBOI!! FEAR ME!!

What I read.

 

[Cogman]

What I read.

cool story bra.

 

[lamedude]

Sony is hinting they want to use off-the-shelf components for the NGP. A sharp contrast to the in-house specialty hardware used in the PS3. They might go that route with the PS4 to reduce costs. The PS3 really was a premium product when it came out, marketed toward a mainstream audience. That hurt Sony.

Without Ken to provide a vision of the next console should do I expect exotic hardware to be a thing of the past. Seeing how those visions never came true (those PS2/PS3 demo's never turn into real games) its for the best.
I hate Rambus as much as the next person but XDR2 looks impressive (on paper). It can do 20Gbps while we're struggling to get 6Gbps out of GDDR5 but if its not required for BC Sony probably will use GDDR to save $ (no 599 US dollars this time).

 

[Macamus Prime]

The PS3 is what took Sony from being #1 to being #3 in the console market. So, yes, it flopped hype and expectations wise.

Everyone seems to forget;
- the Sony "Holier Than Thou" mentality when the PS3 was 1st announced.
- It's $600 price tag.
- Kaz' 'people will buy it, even if there aren't any games for it' comment.
- And, the Sony shit head fan boys yanking on their 2 inch cocks screaming how you all need to get a better paying job in order to enjoy the awesomeness of the PS3.

Fuck off. Every asshat nearly broke their penis off when the PS3 was 1st announced.

There are rumblings of MS and Nintendo ramping up next gen system development. We'll know at E3 what has been done so far. I would hope each console maker learned something from this gen:
- don't price a console system for over $400
- give the fucking thing HD
- make sure you design something that does not die
- make sure your online structure is solid and easy to use; not friend codes and make sure your shit is secure.

 

[Cogman]

The PS3 is what took Sony from being #1 to being #3 in the console market. So, yes, it flopped hype and expectations wise.

Everyone seems to forget;
- the Sony "Holier Than Thou" mentality when the PS3 was 1st announced.
- It's $600 price tag.
- Kaz' 'people will buy it, even if there aren't any games for it' comment.
- And, the Sony shit head fan boys yanking on their 2 inch cocks screaming how you all need to get a better paying job in order to enjoy the awesomeness of the PS3.

Fuck off. Every asshat nearly broke their penis off when the PS3 was 1st announced.

There are rumblings of MS and Nintendo ramping up next gen system development. We'll know at E3 what has been done so far. I would hope each console maker learned something from this gen:
- don't price a console system for over $400
- give the fucking thing HD
- make sure you design something that does not die
- make sure your online structure is solid and easy to use; not friend codes and make sure your shit is secure.

GAH! How dare you insult the master playstaton! CRUCIFY HIM!

From what I've heard, the PS3 would have done a whole lot better had their SDK not sucked. One of the things that really hurt them in the beginning was the fact that there really weren't a whole lot a good games to play on the PS3.

Heck, the SDK was so bad that one of the sony representatives came out and said something to the effect of "We made it hard to program on purpose, that way games would appear to evolve over time". Um, yeah, right....

Being 3 million units behind your competitor when you used to have the #1 system is what I would call a flop. Having your console be a black hole of money only makes sense when you are trying to break into a market. Sony had a face in the console market, they had a great reputation with the PS2, there is no reason that they shouldn't have produce a console that ranked them number 1.

They should have, IMO, made the console cheaper. And they should have made sure their SDK didn't suck. If they had a larger number of game on the market at release, I think this would have been a vastly different story.

 

[purbeast0]

GAH! How dare you insult the master playstaton! CRUCIFY HIM!

From what I've heard, the PS3 would have done a whole lot better had their SDK not sucked. One of the things that really hurt them in the beginning was the fact that there really weren't a whole lot a good games to play on the PS3.

Heck, the SDK was so bad that one of the sony representatives came out and said something to the effect of "We made it hard to program on purpose, that way games would appear to evolve over time". Um, yeah, right....

Being 3 million units behind your competitor when you used to have the #1 system is what I would call a flop. Having your console be a black hole of money only makes sense when you are trying to break into a market. Sony had a face in the console market, they had a great reputation with the PS2, there is no reason that they shouldn't have produce a console that ranked them number 1.

They should have, IMO, made the console cheaper. And they should have made sure their SDK didn't suck. If they had a larger number of game on the market at release, I think this would have been a vastly different story.

did you forget that the PS3 came out last this generation, nearly a year after Xbox 360 came out?

and that PS2 came out before both the GC and XBOX it's generation?

just sayin...

 

[smartpatrol]

did you forget that the PS3 came out last this generation, nearly a year after Xbox 360 came out?

and that PS2 came out before both the GC and XBOX it's generation?

just sayin...

Dreamcast came out before PS2 (with a very successful launch and strong sales for its first year) and look how well that did. The mere hype and expectations for the PS2 were enough to kill it.

Anyway, yeah I do think PS3 could be considered a flop. From the day it was announced, all we saw was analysts treating it as a foregone conclusion that the PS3 would be #1 someday. The question was always when, not if, the PS3 would surpass the 360 and take its rightful place as the top-selling console this generation.

Instead, Nintendo completely trounced them in terms of hardware sales. 360 came out slightly ahead both in hardware sales and, more importantly, attach rate.

Okay maybe "flop" is too strong a word, but it's safe to say that PS3 underperformed everybody's expectations.

 

[Dr.Bubbles]

Not since the PS2. The PS3 was a flop by pretty much any measure.

Ha, they sold 50 million of the things, got their online network established and ensured blu-ray beat out HD-DVD.

A real flop alright.

 

[alent1234]

The PS3 is what took Sony from being #1 to being #3 in the console market. So, yes, it flopped hype and expectations wise.

Everyone seems to forget;
- the Sony "Holier Than Thou" mentality when the PS3 was 1st announced.
- It's $600 price tag.
- Kaz' 'people will buy it, even if there aren't any games for it' comment.
- And, the Sony shit head fan boys yanking on their 2 inch cocks screaming how you all need to get a better paying job in order to enjoy the awesomeness of the PS3.

Fuck off. Every asshat nearly broke their penis off when the PS3 was 1st announced.

There are rumblings of MS and Nintendo ramping up next gen system development. We'll know at E3 what has been done so far. I would hope each console maker learned something from this gen:
- don't price a console system for over $400
- give the fucking thing HD
- make sure you design something that does not die
- make sure your online structure is solid and easy to use; not friend codes and make sure your shit is secure.

i remember when the PS3 first came out all the resellers on fatwallet were talking about buying them all up to resell at $1000 or more and that people would buy it because it was the only BD game console on the market or whatever. in the end most of them had to return their units to the store

 

[sourceninja]

It all depends on what you're using it for. I bought my PS3 primarily for Bluray playback, gaming was just a bonus. I also have a 1 year old Xbox 360 Slim collecting dust, PS3 is a much more solid design IMO. The amount of noise given off from the Xbox optical drive is ridiculous.

I know what you mean, I bought the PS3 as a blue ray player and to play with linux on it.

Then sony took away half of that, so I sold it. Then my identity possibly got stolen....

 

[Cogman]

Ha, they sold 50 million of the things, got their online network established and ensured blu-ray beat out HD-DVD.

A real flop alright.

They sold 150 million units of the PS2.

Look at the rate of sales of the Kinect vs Playstation move, in the first 60 days, the kinect had already outsold the move.

BTW, the wikipedia article on sales for this is hilarious, despite the fact that they scored pretty much the same, the playstation article only speaks of the positives while the Kinect article only mentions the negatives. lol.

 

[Macamus Prime]

They sold 150 million units of the PS2.

You don't understand Sony WANTED to sell 100 million less units of the PS2's successor.

It was all part of their plan. You're just too stupid to figure it out.

 

[airdata]

Dreamcast came out before PS2 (with a very successful launch and strong sales for its first year) and look how well that did. The mere hype and expectations for the PS2 were enough to kill it.

Not to mention the rampant piracy and the ease at which you could pirate games.

I was actually given a dreamcast by a family friend, and felt kinda guilty at the time because he would come over to our family events, etc and it was a huge gift to give... anyhow, never played it much. Let a friend borrow it and the friend lost it.

That's my dreamcast expierience LOL

I don't see what they can do to improve or rather to completely reboot the system. How much of this do you think is in response to Nintendo's supposed groundbreaking new console?

 

[akugami]

The Ps3 is a flop by any measure? Wtf??? Pass some crack? Obvouisly wasn't anywhere near as successful as the ps2 or psx, but far from a flop lol.

I'm sure vgzchartz isn't the most inaccurate, but using your logic the only successful system this generation is the Nintendo DS and Wii. If that is your approach, then I'd honestly rather play the flop that is the ps3 than the success that is wii.

I think what constitutes success largely depends on your argument. The PS3 helped push Blu-Ray to be the dominant high definition disc format. Success. It has a large user base. Success. Sure, it didn't sell as well as the PS2 or even the Wii but it still has a large following. It also looks like it can slug out another two years which is pretty long for consoles where traditionally a console is replaced in six years.

Then we get to some of the ugly sides of the PS3. It is a financial disaster. I'm not sure that Sony will ever recoup the costs that went into developing the PS3 as well as the costs to subsidize such an expensive system. Failure. Usually a console's popularity will give its successor a boost and help it retain market share. Sony went from being the maker of the most popular and successful console of all time to being roughly tied for 2nd place. Considering the momentum that the PS2 had and the early PS3 hype, it is stunning how poorly the PS3 did early on. It is only now picking up some steam after the traditional end of a console generation when Nintendo will soon be releasing a new console. People like their shiny new toys. Failure. Sony's PS3 has also garnered bad press after bad press with some notable ones being the "father" of the PS1 and PS2 being canned for the poor reception of the PS3, the removal of promised features not once but twice (backwards compatibility, other OS), and the Playstation network hacking. Not to mention some strong franchises that helped make the PS2 what it was jumping ship and going cross platform. Failure.

 

[Cogman]

I think what constitutes success largely depends on your argument. The PS3 helped push Blu-Ray to be the dominant high definition disc format. Success. It has a large user base. Success. Sure, it didn't sell as well as the PS2 or even the Wii but it still has a large following. It also looks like it can slug out another two years which is pretty long for consoles where traditionally a console is replaced in six years.

Then we get to some of the ugly sides of the PS3. It is a financial disaster. I'm not sure that Sony will ever recoup the costs that went into developing the PS3 as well as the costs to subsidize such an expensive system. Failure. Usually a console's popularity will give its successor a boost and help it retain market share. Sony went from being the maker of the most popular and successful console of all time to being roughly tied for 2nd place. Considering the momentum that the PS2 had and the early PS3 hype, it is stunning how poorly the PS3 did early on. It is only now picking up some steam after the traditional end of a console generation when Nintendo will soon be releasing a new console. People like their shiny new toys. Failure. Sony's PS3 has also garnered bad press after bad press with some notable ones being the "father" of the PS1 and PS2 being canned for the poor reception of the PS3, the removal of promised features not once but twice (backwards compatibility, other OS), and the Playstation network hacking. Not to mention some strong franchises that helped make the PS2 what it was jumping ship and going cross platform. Failure.

Thanks for this.

I agree with you successes, and to me, most of the failures you've listed here are what makes the PS3 a flop to me.

 

[American Gunner]

I think there is still plenty of life left in the PS3, but if the other companies put out new systems, they will be handcuffed into getting a new one.

 

[akugami]

I think there is still plenty of life left in the PS3, but if the other companies put out new systems, they will be handcuffed into getting a new one.

I believe so too. That's why my previous post has the "people like their shiny toys" comment. I don't expect the Wii2 to blow away the PS3 or Xbox 360 in terms of raw hardware power. It should be better but probably not by a whole lot. Next year would Joe Consumer buy the shiny new console just out or a 6 year old console?

We're at the point where consoles are "good enough" for Joe Consumer where we're maxing out the graphics possible on HDTV's. Joe Consumer won't be able to tell any major difference between consoles in terms of hardware power in the next generation of consoles and will have trouble differentiating some of the better Xbox 360 and PS3 games from the next Xbox, PS4, and Wii2 games. If Nintendo drops a console that can do 1080p at a smooth 60 frames per second then that's pretty much all you'll need with the next big jump in graphical power being true photorealistic 3D.

For financial reasons I understand why Sony does not want to release a console for another 2-3 years. Because it pretty much guarantees the PS3 will have been a clunker that lost them a crap ton of money with no way to recoup any of it anymore. But the competition doesn't stand still. Nintendo's Wii is clearly long in the tooth and is seeing slowing sales. Nintendo actually has a good financial reason to want the Wii2 released soon. If Sony doesn't release a new console until 2014 we could see sales of the PS3 dry up completely in 2013 when we'll likely also have a new Xbox.

 

[Duder1no]

Sony Banking On New Super Fast Cell Processor For PS4 & Bravia TV

Sony, who announced a $3 Billion plus loss last, week is pinning their future on a brand new processor which some are speculating will lead to a new Playstation 4.

What we have been told is that Sony is working on a very fast processor which is being developed with IBM, who was the original architect with Sony and Toshiba of the Cell processor, which has been used by both Sony and Microsoft to power their gaming processors for nearly 10 years.

IBM sources claim that the new multi core PowerPC processor, which Big Blue, has spent several years developing is now part of a joint development project with the Japanese company.

Sony recently moved to buy back the Toshiba Cell factory in Nagasaki for $600 million with some tipping that this will be used to manufacture the processor for both Sony Toshiba and IBM devices.

The new 32nm Cell processor is tipped to be capable of up to 16 SPEs which is twice as fast as the current Cell processor according to IBM leaks.

Japanese sources claim that Sony is gearing up to manufacture the Cell processor in bulk with some analysts tipping that the new processor will also appear in Sony notebooks and built into new Sony Bravia TVs.

Intel sources have said that they are also working on a new processor that will be ideal for future gaming consoles as well as for use in devices that are both gaming console and media hubs.

At a recent Sony conference call in Japan the head of the company's Networked Products & Services division – which develops for the PlayStation brand and Sony PCs, hinted that it was working on the PlayStation 4 but would not give any details.

"For the home equipment the PS3 still has a product life," said Sony's Masaru Kato who hinted that development work for the PS4 was currently underway".

more: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/F5C6F8A6?page=1

 

[Sureshot324]

Japanese sources claim that Sony is gearing up to manufacture the Cell processor in bulk with some analysts tipping that the new processor will also appear in Sony notebooks and built into new Sony Bravia TVs.

Cell in Notebooks? Is the next Cell going to support x86 or ARM?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Sony Banking On New Super Fast Cell Processor For PS4 & Bravia TV

Sony, who announced a $3 Billion plus loss last, week is pinning their future on a brand new processor which some are speculating will lead to a new Playstation 4.

What we have been told is that Sony is working on a very fast processor which is being developed with IBM, who was the original architect with Sony and Toshiba of the Cell processor, which has been used by both Sony and Microsoft to power their gaming processors for nearly 10 years.

IBM sources claim that the new multi core PowerPC processor, which Big Blue, has spent several years developing is now part of a joint development project with the Japanese company.

Sony recently moved to buy back the Toshiba Cell factory in Nagasaki for $600 million with some tipping that this will be used to manufacture the processor for both Sony Toshiba and IBM devices.

The new 32nm Cell processor is tipped to be capable of up to 16 SPEs which is twice as fast as the current Cell processor according to IBM leaks.

Japanese sources claim that Sony is gearing up to manufacture the Cell processor in bulk with some analysts tipping that the new processor will also appear in Sony notebooks and built into new Sony Bravia TVs.

Intel sources have said that they are also working on a new processor that will be ideal for future gaming consoles as well as for use in devices that are both gaming console and media hubs.

At a recent Sony conference call in Japan the head of the company's Networked Products & Services division – which develops for the PlayStation brand and Sony PCs, hinted that it was working on the PlayStation 4 but would not give any details.

"For the home equipment the PS3 still has a product life," said Sony's Masaru Kato who hinted that development work for the PS4 was currently underway".

more: http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/F5C6F8A6?page=1

Ugh, that is a very poor article. Having double the SPEs isn't "twice as fast".

Not sure what Intel chip they could be talking about, unless its Larrabee but that's old news and they've already canned it as a consumer product, mostly because it was a complete flop.

I believe Sony had money in the plant, then sold it to Toshiba who was going to put Cell in a bunch of products, but then that flopped, and Toshiba sold it to Sony for like half the money they paid for it before. Sony is also switching it over to produce CMOS sensors for cameras.

http://optics.org/news/2/2/25

Cell in Notebooks? Is the next Cell going to support x86 or ARM?

Toshiba already did that. It was used as a media processor. While its good at that, its not good at power usage, which is very bad for laptops. Plus, GPUs tend to be even better and more efficient at it (aren't quite as dependent on software since Cell is a completely unique chip).

You won't be seeing it as the main processor, there's no port of Windows for it and I highly doubt we'll be seeing Microsoft make one either (if MS wanted a cheap computer to sell, they'd put it on the Xbox and not help one of their competitors). Also, Cell would be a dud compared to Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge and Llano/Trinity.

It could work in a TV, but even then, I'm not sure they wouldn't be better off with other processors.

 

[badb0y]

lol, never use the current gen to predict the outcome of the next gen.

 

[Oyeve]

Ha, they sold 50 million of the things, got their online network established and ensured blu-ray beat out HD-DVD.

A real flop alright.

Andeven tho xbox live is not free its still better than psn. I have both systems and will buy a game for my 360 before i would buy for ps3. The exclusive ps3 games just suck imo. I only have a ps3 like many others for its blue ray. Gaming is not the ps3s forte. But it was billed as a gaming system so in that sense it wasand is a flop.