PlayStation 3 has a future?! Blasphemy? Read on...

[destrekor]

Sometimes positive press is obscured by all the negative press coverage. Sony's PS3 has been the target of the latter since its launch into the market. However, GameSpy has a regular article, where a columnist looks into the current state of the PlayStation brand name.
the future?

No bashing of the other consoles, nor would I want to. But there seems to not only be a large amount of negative press coverage, but the posts here that garner so much attention also share that same negative spin.

(discuss. I'll look at discussions later, and hopefully not a locked topic. I have a few assignments to work on.)

 

[StevenYoo]

PS2 sucked in the beginning too. Look where it stands now.

PS3 will do fine. Just needs time

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: StevenYoo
PS2 sucked in the beginning too. Look where it stands now.

PS3 will do fine. Just needs a huge price drop

fixed

 

[Cattlegod]

the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

 

[jpeyton]

The article talks about Playstation Home, Warhawk, SOCOM, Stranglehold, Uncharted, and LittleBigPlanet.

Not really system selling titles, but something for existing PS3 owners to play nonetheless.

 

[loup garou]

...wake me up when its $250.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

That may be true Cattlegod since once you add on the cost of the external HD drive to the xbox 360 Premium/Elite, the cost comparison is close IMO

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: loup garou
...wake me up when its $250.

By the time it's ~$250.00 US, I'm gonna have to cryogenicly [sp?] thaw you loup garou!

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: loup garou
...wake me up when its $250.

By the time it's ~$250.00 US, I'm gonna have to cryogenicly [sp?] thaw you loup garou!

Call me I.C. Weiner.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

That may be true Cattlegod since once you add on the cost of the external HD drive to the xbox 360 Premium/Elite, the cost comparison is close IMO

add that to the fact that of the 8 major movie studios, 5 of them exclusively support blu-ray, while only Universal exclusively supports HD DVD and there are 1,000,000 Blu-ray players in households vs. a 200,000 HD DVD players in households its almost already a done deal. I think Blu-ray titles have just recently started to sell at a 2:1 rate.

 

[Flammable]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: loup garou
...wake me up when its $250.

By the time it's ~$250.00 US, I'm gonna have to cryogenicly [sp?] thaw you loup garou!

Call me I.C. Weiner.

ROFL

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

The winner of the format war will be whatever HD player Wal Mart sells for <$99 and has software retail for <$15.

The entire market is literally up for grabs until then. Market penetration for either format is laughably low at this point, there is plenty of market share left to be captured.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The article talks about Playstation Home, Warhawk, SOCOM, Stranglehold, Uncharted, and LittleBigPlanet.

Not really system selling titles, but something for existing PS3 owners to play nonetheless.

Each individual title may not be system sellers (SOCOM, however, actually will likely indeed be, if its faithful to the SOCOM name), however a single quarter of business, filled with such activity, is quite capable of assuring customers the PS3 will live up its its name. Add that to the possibility of a price drop this winter (Sony will likely realize it is necessary, and realize it needs to fill in the place of the now absent 20gb model in terms of relative affordability).

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

The winner of the format war will be whatever HD player Wal Mart sells for <$99 and has software retail for <$15.

The entire market is literally up for grabs until then. Market penetration for either format is laughably low at this point, there is plenty of market share left to be captured.

can Walmart sell both at that price point? :gasp:
the Blu-Ray Association will be quick in making sure they have a player, by some manufacturer, at a comparable price point whenever the HD-DVD players hits sub-$200 (without the rebate program Toshiba started doing).

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

That may be true Cattlegod since once you add on the cost of the external HD drive to the xbox 360 Premium/Elite, the cost comparison is close IMO

add that to the fact that of the 8 major movie studios, 5 of them exclusively support blu-ray, while only Universal exclusively supports HD DVD and there are 1,000,000 Blu-ray players in households vs. a 200,000 HD DVD players in households its almost already a done deal. I think Blu-ray titles have just recently started to sell at a 2:1 rate.

I'm not convinced Blue Ray will win the war...
1 its too costly for the amount of gain recieved over DVD-HD (until 1080P becomes the mainstream standard Tv)
2 existing dvd plants can be easily modified to produce DVD-HD with very little extra cost vs blue Ray plants have to be built from the ground up.
3 if you are basing the DVD format wars based on who wins the console wars, that would be a mistake... as A Wii is wining & B Console as DVD player only makes up < 35% of the market.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: StevenYoo
PS2 sucked in the beginning too. Look where it stands now.

PS3 will do fine. Just needs time

The PS2 may have sucked in the beginning, but it sold extremely well right from the start. It really had no serious competition until the xbox came out years later. The PS3 is going to face fierce competition for it's entire lifespan.

 

[spidey07]

PS3 is just another sony failure.

You can't blame this on press, you can blame it on not delivering. There is no compeling reason to own a PS3.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: sao123
I'm not convinced Blue Ray will win the war...
1 its too costly for the amount of gain recieved over DVD-HD (until 1080P becomes the mainstream standard Tv)
2 existing dvd plants can be easily modified to produce DVD-HD with very little extra cost vs blue Ray plants have to be built from the ground up.
3 if you are basing the DVD format wars based on who wins the console wars, that would be a mistake... as A Wii is wining & B Console as DVD player only makes up < 35% of the market.

Don't forget Blu-Ray has completely shunned the porn industry, while HD-DVD has accepted it with open arms.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Cattlegod

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

That may be true Cattlegod since once you add on the cost of the external HD drive to the xbox 360 Premium/Elite, the cost comparison is close IMO

add that to the fact that of the 8 major movie studios, 5 of them exclusively support blu-ray, while only Universal exclusively supports HD DVD and there are 1,000,000 Blu-ray players in households vs. a 200,000 HD DVD players in households its almost already a done deal. I think Blu-ray titles have just recently started to sell at a 2:1 rate.

I'm not convinced Blue Ray will win the war...
1 its too costly for the amount of gain recieved over DVD-HD (until 1080P becomes the mainstream standard Tv)
2 existing dvd plants can be easily modified to produce DVD-HD with very little extra cost vs blue Ray plants have to be built from the ground up.
3 if you are basing the DVD format wars based on who wins the console wars, that would be a mistake... as A Wii is wining & B Console as DVD player only makes up < 35% of the market.

1 - the main cost difference is the player. the media is about the same. In another year or 2 you will see prices fall through the floor on players for both formats.
2 - the cost difference is negligible. in certain quantities, producing a single layer Blu-ray is cheaper than a double layer HD DVD. Either way they are within 30c of each other and only pennies once you hit volumes above 100,000.source
3 - I am saying that the winner of the format war will be blu-ray and that it will give a very helpful boost to PS3 and hurt xbox 360 sales.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

I really don't think either format is going to win. Something else (digital?) is going to hit before Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. A lot of people look at this issue head on thinking that they have to choose one or the other because those are the only two options.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: sao123
I'm not convinced Blue Ray will win the war...
1 its too costly for the amount of gain recieved over DVD-HD (until 1080P becomes the mainstream standard Tv)
2 existing dvd plants can be easily modified to produce DVD-HD with very little extra cost vs blue Ray plants have to be built from the ground up.
3 if you are basing the DVD format wars based on who wins the console wars, that would be a mistake... as A Wii is wining & B Console as DVD player only makes up < 35% of the market.

Don't forget Blu-Ray has completely shunned the porn industry, while HD-DVD has accepted it with open arms.

While that was one of the nails in the coffin for Betamax, not as much for Blu-ray because one of the main sources of porn revenue is the internet. Also, there will be porn on Blu-ray as well.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: spidey07
PS3 is just another sony failure.

You can't blame this on press, you can blame it on not delivering. There is no compeling reason to own a PS3.

:roll:

Do you view the 360 was a failure? Look a year back. Did it deliver in your eyes? No, it had no software that drove hardware sales. Now it does. The PS3 will have software that will too, starting in Fall and moving into Winter '08 and Spring. Compelling reason to own it right now? True, not so much as software is slim. No compelling reason not to own it in the future? Subjective based on what games interest you.
But don't chalk it up as a Sony failure. They have software in the making at the moment. It's an evolutionary process as well, and Sony is handling future PS3 development quite well, with lots of ideas that will, for lack of a better descriptor, blossom into a much better whole package than exists now. A majority of those who look at the entire industry without bias have actually all come to that conclusion, all agreeing the PS3 was pronounced dead much to soon by fanboys and uneducated fools.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

i think physical formats for HD will be dead by the time this 'war' is over.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing that will save PS3 will be the included blu-ray player because I believe blu-ray will eventually win the format war.

i think physical formats for HD will be dead by the time this 'war' is over.

No, they won't. The internet backbone is currently not ready enough to deliver video that can rival the IQ of the HD formats. Even if broadband customers are now able to access speeds around 10mbps, the cost for the premium speeds is still not at a point comparable with the lower cost, lower speed options. Also, the data centers where the 15-30gb HD movies would be accessible, are not ready to handle the stream of all the users interested in HD across the U.S. HD trailers are one thing. Movies at 4-5gb are one thing. But if you have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of users, depending on a few large distributors online, and everyone is attempting to access the HD movies.. it is likely they will then not be able at all to max out their connection, if even close. This creates a distribution problem.

It'll be a few years before the internet becomes the prime HD movie distribution medium. By then one of the HD optical formats will likely be the sole HD format and even if the internet enters the prime ability then, it will still be stable as the physical medium. Just like how the internet still has not even made a dent on SD movies, and it is closer to being capable of meeting the demand for SD movies than it is the large sizes of HD movies. Since all SD movies, on DVD, are MPEG2, they stand quite a bit of ability to be compressed into MPEG4 codecs. When the HD movies are almost all a variant of MPEG4 as it is now, further compression won't be able to reduce filesize without compromising IQ.

 

[Kirby64]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: spidey07
PS3 is just another sony failure.

You can't blame this on press, you can blame it on not delivering. There is no compeling reason to own a PS3.

:roll:

Do you view the 360 was a failure? Look a year back. Did it deliver in your eyes? No, it had no software that drove hardware sales. Now it does. The PS3 will have software that will too, starting in Fall and moving into Winter '08 and Spring. Compelling reason to own it right now? True, not so much as software is slim. No compelling reason not to own it in the future? Subjective based on what games interest you.
If you are completely uninterested in good games, then nothing but the Wii is right for you.
But don't chalk it up as a Sony failure. They have software in the making at the moment. It's an evolutionary process as well, and Sony is handling future PS3 development quite well, with lots of ideas that will, for lack of a better descriptor, blossom into a much better whole package than exists now. A majority of those who look at the entire industry without bias have actually all come to that conclusion, all agreeing the PS3 was pronounced dead much to soon by fanboys and uneducated fools.

The issue with no software for PS3 vs no software for Xbox 360, is back when 360 was released... it had no competition. With PS3, both the Wii and the 360 are boasting titles that might entice possible PS3 customers. A year ago, the Xbox 360's competition was the Gamecube and the PS2, both horribly outdated compared to the 360.

 

[blamb425]

littlebigplanet looks so cool..