bucwylde23
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PricklyPete
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Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
That may be true Cattlegod since once you add on the cost of the external HD drive to the xbox 360 Premium/Elite, the cost comparison is close IMO
It might be true...but that really depends on the consumers thirst for Blue Ray...which in my opinion will never overtake DVD before it is completely overshadowed by on-demand content.
I honestly don't think the PS3 can compete with the Xbox360. A lot of the games are coming out on both of those systems. They each have their killer exclusive titles (Halo 3, Final Fantasy). Xbox360 is cheaper and has an established online system. Plus, the 360 has over a year headstart and more games are simply being developed for it. Sony is already fighting sluggish sales. I see how it can improve by next year, but I don't see how it'll catch up to the 360 in monthly sales (in N. America).
I'm not too familiar with the high-def race, but won't there be blu-ray players for less than $600 by the end of the year? Or is Sony preventing that from happening somehow?
I'm not too familiar with the high-def race, but won't there be blu-ray players for less than $600 by the end of the year? Or is Sony preventing that from happening somehow?
bucwylde23
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There are a TON of good games coming out for the 360 starting this month through the end of the year. Not to mention there are already a lot of good games currently out. Halo 3 is going to be huge.
purbeast0
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ding ding ding! we have a winner!
that is the #1 reason why.
Sony already had a great hit with the PSX, which costed $300 at launch.
So when their next system launched, it launched at $300 as well (the PS2). Also keep in mind, the PS2 had no direct competition for over a year when the Xbox and Wii came out.
So having the #1 system the previous generation + no direct competition + a price point of exactly the price of the previous generation = great sales for the Sony PS2, regardless of games.
And I know, I camped out for one. I bought Madden with it. It was craptastic once I got over the "next gen" graphics. My friend got tekken tag and Madden, and yah Tekken was cool cause it was arcad perfect. But it really was some time until some quality games came out. Granted the games on the PS2 looked awesome at the time though ahd no other system could really compare in graphics (the Dreamcast was good but it just did not have any support).
Now look at the Xbox360. When it came out, it came out knowing it would have a whole year of a head start. It also came out knowing that the Xbox was getting some recognition as a console worth owning and that Xbox Live was the up and coming of online console gaming.
So when they released the system, they released it with a version that was (just as Sony did w/the PS2 and PSX) the same exact price as their previous console at launch - $300. Granted anyone with half a brain knows that was strictly for marketing purposes and not worth getting, they still could claim they had it launching for $300.
So now the Xbox360 was out, with no competition, at a price it's previous console launched at. Also, considering it was the first "next-gen" system this time around, there were no other systems that the next-gen Madden or any sports games could be found on, or any other next gen games in general.
So then the PS3 comes out. It's a year late to the part, almost DOUBLE the price of their prevoius console at launch ($500 for the 20gb vs $300 for a PS2), it already has competition that has better looking games on it of the same version (the EA games that are multi platform), and it has no direct competition to Xbox Live at all (and don't give me that free PSN crap - it is not even remotely close to being anywhere near as good as Xbox Live). And on top of that, Sony had terrible press coverage leading up to the launch because of the debacle that started at E3.
So yah ... I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to see what caused the PS3 to be in it's current position
Demon-Xanth
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The PS2's first drop was from $300 to $200. Given the PS3's $600 price I wouldn't call even a drop to $450 unreasonable.
Gibson486
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They are taking around a 300 dollar loss per console (tleast that was the number a few months ago).....you really think they would want to take an even bigger loss? To a consumer, a $450 price would be reasonable, but to a business....I would imagine lots of soiled underwear.
Demon-Xanth
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waggy
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The PS3 is not a failure. while it is not a huge hit it will not fail. I think a big problem right now is a major lack of games and the price. many are willing to take a chance on a $250 wii but not a $599 PS3.
IF the price of the PS3 was $399 or even $350 i would own one.
IF the price of the PS3 was $399 or even $350 i would own one.
I think the PS3 and Vista currently are in a similar boat when it comes to getting an inordinate amount of bad press declaring their doom so early on in the product's lifecycle. Both had solid previous generation platforms that matured and now serve their user base well. Both of the current platforms seem to be good improvements from the prior generation and will only improve with future updates. Both have massive user bases still happily using their previous platform. It's simply hard to get such a massive user base to switch overnight. But as factors like price and updates improve, it'll eventually reach a critical mass.
purbeast0
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I agree. There really is nothing I am dying to play on the PS3 at the moment, but if I could get a blu-ray player + the PS3 gaming console for $350, hell MAYBE even $400, I'd probably take the plunge.
I know there will eventually be games I want on it, and I'm sure I would play some games that are out now on it (like MK2 online for the PSN!!!)
But anything over $400 and I'm not even going to turn a shoulder at it. It's just too expensive. I also agree about the Wii. That is exactly why I got one at launch. I honestly don't touch that thing at all right now. But atleast I know whenever games come out, I can get em. I know when the typical Nintendo first party games come out (Mario, Metroid, etc), I'm going to be glad I got one. Although from the vids of Mario Galaxy, I don't really know what to expect from that title ...
Demon-Xanth
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Queasy
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The bluray laser price was last seen at ~$120. Even if the shortage is easing, I don't think the price for that component is going to drop significantly. Maybe down to $80 (guesstimate).
Sony's other cost cutting move is to remove the PS2 chip from the PS3 which it has done for European consoles but not for NA and Japanese consoles yet. They'll eventually go to a die shrink and find other cost savings but when you're already ~$250 in the hole for every PS3 sold and your games division just lost $2 billion you better make sure you're going to make up for those losses somehow.
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analysts have actually predicted this summer the blue laser diode will fall to a price of $8. Now, the laser price itself was not $120, that was the entire drive. However, as we all know, optical drive components themselves are extremely cheap. That places the laser probably at around $100 at launch, and drop that down to $8? Major break for Sony. Also, that's not counting other prices falling just due to easier development. Even if no components have changed, the price to manufacture has likely started to drop. Also, the Cell, although still at 90nm, it likely easier to manufacture and thus quite possibly getting cheaper for Sony.
Expect a price cut more significant than $50 by years end. Sony, while they would love to turn a profit for a short time, may not have the chance. Or maybe they'll do so for the few months after summer before the price cut. Regardless, Sony will quite possibly face a price drop this summer from Microsoft, if Microsoft so much as catches wind of any mumblings of a price drop from Sony. Microsoft is turning a profit but will want to keep that going for as long as the competition permits them continuing sales at the current price point (of the 360).
The PS3 just got a few more bumps towards being a HTPC courtesy of tomorrow's firmware update:
- DVD upscaling
- Media streaming via DLNA-compliant servers (includes some DVR's and TVersity)
- Roaming Remote Play via PSP (requires firmware 3.50)
- Photo printing via USB (currently select Epson printers)
Other updates include:
- PS1/PS2 upscaling
- Transfer saves from the PS3 to PS1/PS2 memory cards (previously only the other way around)
- DVD upscaling
- Media streaming via DLNA-compliant servers (includes some DVR's and TVersity)
- Roaming Remote Play via PSP (requires firmware 3.50)
- Photo printing via USB (currently select Epson printers)
Other updates include:
- PS1/PS2 upscaling
- Transfer saves from the PS3 to PS1/PS2 memory cards (previously only the other way around)
:roll:
As much as I look forward to the dvd & ps1/2 game upscaling, the rest seems pointless and costly. Does Sony think the home computer is obsolete already? Seriously, media streaming & photo printing? Who's going to use these features when everyone who owns a PS3 already owns a home computer & already connects their digital camera to their pc? If they want to cut costs and sell consoles, I'd say #1 drop the memory card slots. Then #2, realize that no one is going to leave their 180 watt PS3 on 24/7 as a media server & for whatever remote psp options are available. Sure it's interesting to do, but you have to seriously question whether it's worth the cost. If the PS3 has the capability with further firmwares to power down many unneeded components when not playing a game to reduce power usage & keep the fan quiet, then *maybe* I'll consider running it 24/7 (still 99.9% unlikely).
I guess it's only software, it's written once and copied to millions of consoles. It's not like hardware changes that have a per console cost. Still, though.
Honestly I think the printing feature was put in there with the Japanese in mind. There was a tutorial posted to the Japanese store a few weeks ago on how to use the photo section.
The PS3 acts as the client for streaming off of PC's, not the server, so you would only need to keep it on when you do that. It's only acting as the server for Remote Play which doesn't seem to run at full power.
Anyway, the firmware is up. It also included the stealth update of 720p-playback for Blu-Rays.
I see that now that I've got the update here. It is a nice feature actually. Further down the road I may then be able to get rid of the htpc and move everything over to other in-house file servers. We'll see, I won't have the time to look at it for probably two months, though. So the htpc stays.
Upscaled dvds look fantastic through the PS3 now! PS2 games look fantastic too. Only a slight issue, games that would stretch the image so it looks right on 16:9 screens, when upscaled they stay at a 4:3 aspect ratio with black bars on the sides - so I can't get God of War 2 to fit the full screen. I can still set God of War 2 to 480p in game, and that stays 480p to the tv. So I'm guessing the upscale only works on 480i, not 480p games. The game does look absolutely fantastic too now, the jagged edges are really cleaned up a lot in 1080p, just have to live with the black bars. (good thing I've already played through couple times and not looking to play through again for a long time)
Originally posted by: cubby1223
Upscaled dvds look fantastic through the PS3 now! PS2 games look fantastic too. Only a slight issue, games that would stretch the image so it looks right on 16:9 screens, when upscaled they stay at a 4:3 aspect ratio with black bars on the sides - so I can't get God of War 2 to fit the full screen. I can still set God of War 2 to 480p in game, and that stays 480p to the tv. So I'm guessing the upscale only works on 480i, not 480p games. The game does look absolutely fantastic too now, the jagged edges are really cleaned up a lot in 1080p, just have to live with the black bars. (good thing I've already played through couple times and not looking to play through again for a long time)
Try messing around with the Game settings under the Settings section. To get Shadow of the Colossus to fill my screen, I had to enable "Full Screen" in the settings and then set it to "Widescreen" within the game. I have a 4:3 HDTV though, so I don't know if that makes my settings different from someone with a widescreen TV.
maybe not 50 more like 200. if the ps3 had been 299 i would have nought one in a heart beat rather than the xbox 360 premium (which can be had for 299 if you look). as it stands i am getting a wii and a xbox 360 for the price of a ps3.
boo to sony for making me miss out on final fantasy (my favourite series) and MGS.
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