Playing with the HP Stream mini

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Kaido

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ESX no longer exists, it's just ESXi now. vSphere is the whole family of products from the hypervisor on up. They have too many products to keep track of now but for most people it will be vcenter and ESXi.

I suspect the realtek is going to kill the whole thing, the brix are certainly nice but the price goes up so much that I'd go another direction. $180 plus some memory would make it an easy choice.

Viper GTS

Showed up early, I'll give it a shot tomorrow. Initial impressions:

* Build quality is surprisingly really good
* Top plate is baby blue, but the rest is a really nice bright metallic blue
* Dual video (DP + HDMI), very nice
* Includes a decent keyboard & mouse
* Kensington lock - nice

Tasks are:

* Test Win8.1 stock
* Upgrade to 8.1 Pro (test as a super-cheap domain machine)
* Install Win7
* Install ESXi 6
* Upgrade RAM

Just realized I don't have an M.2 SSD handy tho (only mSATA), sounds like I'll need one of those to install an alternative OS on.
 

Kaido

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ESX no longer exists, it's just ESXi now. vSphere is the whole family of products from the hypervisor on up. They have too many products to keep track of now but for most people it will be vcenter and ESXi.

I suspect the realtek is going to kill the whole thing, the brix are certainly nice but the price goes up so much that I'd go another direction. $180 plus some memory would make it an easy choice.

Viper GTS

I'm compiling my notes here:

http://catch42.pbworks.com/w/page/94643114/HP Stream Mini

I have a larger M.2 SSD & USB M.2 reader coming in next week so I can tear it apart a bit more. I may pick up the Pavilion Mini (Pentium & i3) because I'm curious about the drive connector; I don't have an awful lot of uses for i3-grade stuff (most of my users either need a cheapo remote desktop PC, or at least an i5 dual-core with HT) so I'll see (the limited supply keeps making the prices surge on the Minis, bleh!). Also, one guy on the KODI forums got an NGFF extension & was able to get it working. This is fun, reminds me of my old Mac Mini hacking days :D :thumbsup:

It's interesting how difficult the budget market is getting for modifications, particularly software modifications. Like, the Z3735F Baytrail-T stuff is all SoC, so there's like zero internal upgrades you can do, and because that comes with a 32-bit UEFI (at least until Cherrytrail gear becomes mainstream), it's not so upgrade friendly for operating systems. And even though the HP Stream Mini has a 64-bit UEFI, it's still proving difficult thanks to the M.2 SSD & USB 3.0 ports for stuff like Windows 7, so I'll see how it goes once I get the hardware in to tinker with (Pavilion Mini & HDD pieces).
 

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Yesterday I used a USB flash drive and installed Windows 8.1 freshly. I once again disabled secure boot to enable legacy support and booted the Media Creation Tool with a slightly modified contents (added ei.cfg).

Windows 8.1 installed cleanly, which I then installed most of the drivers I got from the HP website. I then did some updates, disk cleanup, etc., and was left with a system reporting as 'Windows 8.1'. The OEM was 'Windows 8.1 with Bing'.

I suspect that the tool is taking a retail-centric as opposed to an OEM-centric position, but I am determined to see if Windows 8.1 with automatically activate itself. During my experimentation with the OEM image it did self-activate but I wonder if that has more to do with HP than M$.

Before wiping the upgraded SSD of the OEM image I grabbed the embedded product key, but I really don't know if that key will work if I manually add it during an activation process. Hoping the self-activation takes place. Beyond that I have a nice lean installation, which really surprised me at how little disk space was used.
 

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Well, one might say the pessimism is strong in me, but it is better than to have hope dashed as often as it does. The Media Creation Tool must be for retail only, which would explain why the version that came with the Stream wasn't listed amongst those available in the MCT.

So, even though I chose Windows 8.1 [Core?], I cannot use its key to activate the install. I used both a program (get_win8key.exe) and the BeLarc site to pull what is embedded in the BIOS and both provided the exact same thing, which cannopt be used to activate the version of Windows 8.1 I installed.

This sucks in that it basically forces HP shoppers to buy the recovery software ($45) if they wish to upgrade the SSD. I consider this a penalty and with that said cannot recommend this product. $45 represents an additional 25% in investment.

And since M$ can't seem to simply accept the OEM computing product at face value, I fail to see the logic in embedding the key in the first place.
 

Kaido

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Windows 8.1 installed cleanly, which I then installed most of the drivers I got from the HP website. I then did some updates, disk cleanup, etc., and was left with a system reporting as 'Windows 8.1'. The OEM was 'Windows 8.1 with Bing'.

From my experiments with Baytrail-T gear, it seems that the OEM Win8.1 with Bing version activates based on the combination of a BIOS SLIC & Hardware UUID. Restoring the image on a MINIX self-generated the same key, but using that key on an identical MINIX did not work. What I don't know is whether or not the OEM version is a Gold Master, or if the OEM version varies from vendor to vendor. Also, even within the 8.1 with Bing family, there are different versions - Windows 8.1 with Bing, Windows 8.1 Single language with Bing, etc. More starter reading here:

http://dellwindowsreinstallationgui...dows/download-windows-8-1-retail-and-oem-iso/

Also, your Win8.1 with Bing hardware will not activate using the MCT installer generator because it's a different version. Win8.1 with Bing is called the "Core Connected" edition. You would have to purchase an upgrade license to either Core (i.e. Standard edition) or Pro. There are some leaked ISO's for Bing floating around the net, if you're feeling brave, but again, there are different versions of Bing & we still don't know if the images are made per-vendor or if there's a generic version available.

I haven't booted up my Stream Mini yet because I'm waiting on my USB M.2 reader & spare M.2 drive to show up to see if I can create a master image using Macrium. I'd then like to test that image on other 8.1 with Bing systems to see if the image keys off the BIOS & UUID. It's really quite unclear right now how to manage the hardware you bought & paid for...the best you can do is use the recovery partition, but what if your SSD dies? Like you said, shell out $45 for recovery media on a $179 computer? Ridiculous. Also, you can't clean up the installation easily either - if you restore the partition to another drive, but skip out on the 7-gig recovery partition, it won't boot up:

https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/137699-hp-stream-mini/?p=852254

There's a lot of weirdness going on with the versions, but we'll figure it out! I have a Pavilion Mini on order plus a handful of mini Baytrail-T computers in my shop right now. I'm not super comfortable deploying these pieces of hardware into business environments without having a solid recovery method available, so I'm anxious to get a clear picture of how all of this stuff works so at least we know for sure, you know?
 

BarkingGhostar

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Yeah, I bought a Samsung 120GB SSD and connected it to the HP Stream mini using a Startech SATA to USB connector. I then used Macrium to copy the partitions from the OEM Sandisk SSD to the Samsung. I was then able to boot off the Samsung over USB after disabled Secure Boot and enabling Legacy support. A positive learning experience.

I then received my Transcend 120GB m.2 SSD and let it take the place of the Sandisk. Booted again off the external Samsung and again used Macrium to clone partitions. in each case the booting system found something wrong and could only be recovered to an operation state by choosing the Reset option.

The Reset option is not desirable as it will create the partitions for a 32GB SSD and ignore any additional space on whatever SSD is installed. Even in these scenarios, the result is an activated environment. Another positive, albeit limited, learning experience.

I just find it hard to believe that HP and M$ have done things to insure these least expensive computing solutions are NOT upgradeable. The go out of their way to insure end user experience is a negative one. A great learning experience on why consumers should avoid HP and M$.
 

Kaido

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Yeah, I bought a Samsung 120GB SSD and connected it to the HP Stream mini using a Startech SATA to USB connector. I then used Macrium to copy the partitions from the OEM Sandisk SSD to the Samsung. I was then able to boot off the Samsung over USB after disabled Secure Boot and enabling Legacy support. A positive learning experience.

I then received my Transcend 120GB m.2 SSD and let it take the place of the Sandisk. Booted again off the external Samsung and again used Macrium to clone partitions. in each case the booting system found something wrong and could only be recovered to an operation state by choosing the Reset option.

The Reset option is not desirable as it will create the partitions for a 32GB SSD and ignore any additional space on whatever SSD is installed. Even in these scenarios, the result is an activated environment. Another positive, albeit limited, learning experience.

I just find it hard to believe that HP and M$ have done things to insure these least expensive computing solutions are NOT upgradeable. The go out of their way to insure end user experience is a negative one. A great learning experience on why consumers should avoid HP and M$.

Ah, you're way ahead of me then. So far, I've come across 3 Bing Windows products:

1. Windows 8.1 with Bing
2. Windows 8.1 with Bing, Single-Language
3. Windows 8.1 with Bing, Multi-Language

I got a copy of the MeLE Windows installer; details here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37305967&postcount=94

I also have the Zotac disc. One option is that Microsoft releases a unique GM to each vendor, thereby limiting re-installation. Plus, some of them bundle drivers into their reinstall media (Zotac & I suspect HP).

Were you able to use a product like EaseUS Partition Master to expand the pre-configured partitions successfully? Due to the fact that removing the recovery partition renders the machine unbootable, it may have a boot-check flag that checks not only partition count, but also partition size, since they all ship with the same-size eMMC/M.2 SSD drives (although the Pavilion Minis come with laptop drives, I believe - I'll check that out when mine arrives next week).

Although I don't know if any of this has much point - Windows 10 comes out later this year & will be free, apparently. The Baytrail-T Atom stuff is stuck on 32-bit UEFI too, so once Cherrytrail comes out, that whole bump-in-the-road will be skipped (iirc the Celeron stuff like in the Stream Mini has a 64-bit UEFI anyway). So it's more for our own edification than anything :D

Do you have a link as to where to buy the HP recovery disc for the Stream Mini?
 

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Every attempt I made to backup and remove the recover partition so that I could expand the C: partition resulted in a boot failure even when I put the recovery partition back. There are pointers that determine the end and beginning of the partitions as factory configured and any deviation results in a scenario in which you are left nonoperational or forced to Reset back to factory configuration.

The recovery media can be found under the HP support pages for the product. Yesterday I was surprised that the Stream Mini was no longer a sold product at HP's website. Previously when stocks were low they would advertise the product and let you know it wasn't available for sale. But now Google search for the product at HP gets the dreaded Oop message of Product Not Found. Another HP Easter Egg?

If you manage to achieve something successful please let me know. Right now I am hunting a key for what I currently have installed, or about to be forced back to the OEM 32GB configuration.
 

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BTW, I've been looking but have not found any legitimate path for consumer to upgrade from Windows 8.1 with Bing to Windows 8.1 Core. It is as if M$ considers any customer using Windows 8.1 with Bing as a customer without an operating system, and forced to buying a full version instead.
 

Kaido

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BTW, I've been looking but have not found any legitimate path for consumer to upgrade from Windows 8.1 with Bing to Windows 8.1 Core. It is as if M$ considers any customer using Windows 8.1 with Bing as a customer without an operating system, and forced to buying a full version instead.

Just use the Pro Pack. It's $99, same price as the full base 8.1 Standard/Core version, and you get all of the extra features of Pro (notably, Windows Media Center). I've upgraded a bunch of 8.1 with Bing devices using it:

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Pack-Upgrade-Online/dp/B00HG0460M/

The only other option I've seen is the Pro upgrade from previous versions of Windows for $69, but that's for XP/Vista/7, so legally I'm not sure how that would work as I haven't read through the ToS:

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Pro-Upgrade-Product-Card/dp/B00A6TPHZS/
 

Kaido

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Every attempt I made to backup and remove the recover partition so that I could expand the C: partition resulted in a boot failure even when I put the recovery partition back. There are pointers that determine the end and beginning of the partitions as factory configured and any deviation results in a scenario in which you are left nonoperational or forced to Reset back to factory configuration.

The recovery media can be found under the HP support pages for the product. Yesterday I was surprised that the Stream Mini was no longer a sold product at HP's website. Previously when stocks were low they would advertise the product and let you know it wasn't available for sale. But now Google search for the product at HP gets the dreaded Oop message of Product Not Found. Another HP Easter Egg?

If you manage to achieve something successful please let me know. Right now I am hunting a key for what I currently have installed, or about to be forced back to the OEM 32GB configuration.

Wow, what the heck! Getting a 404 on their product page too! It seemed like it sold well - it was always OOS & there is a somewhat large cult following due to the $179 price. I was planning on buying a bunch once I confirmed the upgrades; I had one customer who was really interested in doing budget dual-monitor domain-connected computers ($180 Mini + $100 Pro upgrade + $30 4GB stick + $200 Office 2013 Biz = tiny $510 office computer with 8.1 Pro & the latest Office suite). That will be a huge bummer if they no longer sell it, especially since I just ordered a Pavilion Mini for additional testing! Boo.

I have 128gb & 256gb M.2 drives coming, as well as a USB M.2 reader, so I'll tinker around with what I can find. Not sure if the USB reader ships from China or what, haven't gotten tracking on it yet. I mostly work with SATA or mSATA stuff, so M.2 will be new for me. Had to make sure I got the right-keyed chips & all!
 

B-Riz

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I considered one of these for a hot minute, but the $179 price tag is deceiving, since it really needs upgrades. (4GB RAM, faster, bigger, better SSD).

So I got one of these http://www.frys.com/product/6145869?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG , bummed around and found an ITX H61 1155 board (Foxconn H61 S), G1620, 4GB DDR3, 120GB SSD.

Case: $40 (new)
Board: $25 (used)
CPU: $30 (used)
Memory: $33 (Newegg, cheapest 2x2 set, price as of 2015-04-07) (The set used in this config has been sitting around for a while, not sure what was paid, got it used a while back)
SSD : $53 (V300 120GB, Amazon price as of 2015-04-07) (bought one a while back on sale, think it was around $60 then)

$181 total, OS: anything you want to put on... ( I can get legit Win 7 Home for $60 locally, but have 8.1 keys from DreamSpark available)

And I can drop a full size vid card in the system if I so desire.

While the form factor of the Stream Mini is nice, like all OEM comps, it suffers because of it.

There are Thin-ITX products out there if case size is truly an issue, and preliminary looking show that the cost addition is not huge.

And all the hassle you guys are going through in terms of 8.1 images and upgrades, just seems like more trouble than it's worth.
 

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Not sure what this has to do with me playing around with the HP Stream Mini. BTW, I fixed my issue and got Windows 8.1 with Bing reinstalled to cover the entire SSD I put into it. Life can now move on.
 

B-Riz

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This was not about you or anyone specifically playing around with the Stream Mini, but it has major shortcomings.

If someone is considering one of these, then there is a post by someone that considered buying one, but went with a different option that gives similar performance at a similar price. (after the RAM and SSD upgrades added to the Mini)

A different perspective is good to have.
 

Kaido

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This was not about you or anyone specifically playing around with the Stream Mini, but it has major shortcomings.

If someone is considering one of these, then there is a post by someone that considered buying one, but went with a different option that gives similar performance at a similar price. (after the RAM and SSD upgrades added to the Mini)

A different perspective is good to have.

It is good to compare other hardware. I can also see some cons to this:

1. Still a good deal more money to build it yourself - the barebones you priced out was $181 without OS, and not everyone has Dreamspark to get a copy of 8.1 or can find as good of a deal as your Windows 7 price from a legitimate online retailer (I have no computers stores in my area - CompUSA & all the others dried up, I have to order 100% of my stuff online these days) And if we really want to do a 1:1 comparison, you'd need a full copy of Windows 8.1 ($99) & new hardware (not used), which increases the price even more.

2. The motherboard you mentioned was used. While that is a good cost savings, it's not the same as having a new, fresh-from-the-factory, warrantied board like you would with a new Stream Mini system, especially if you're putting it into a work environment or into something like a grandparent's PC that you want to run reliably for years & get factory support for going into the future.

3. It's awfully nice having a turnkey system that is also budget-friendly. I have a customer who is interested in these units as a budget system; they have been running on the same Dell desktops with Windows XP for a good 10 years straight now & don't have $50k to invest in a nicer NUC/BRIX system with new monitors. For around $300, I can buy a Stream Mini, slap in a stick of RAM, & upgrade to 8.1 Pro to join it to their domain and have a significantly improved end-user experience that gives them modern compatibility. Times 30 units, that's under $10k for a nice upgrade for their facility. For me, the installation process is basically unscrew the bottom plate, snap in the extra RAM, boot it up & paste in the Pro Pack key, then join it to their domain & setup the user. Really really easy process with no major assembly required.

4. I like having an integrated system from the factory. I've built a variety of ITX barebones like the RAIDMAX you linked. You have to make sure every piece works yourself, plus ITX boxes can be iffy sometimes (cooling, tiny fans, etc.). With the HP Stream Mini, you can literally take it out of the box & have a working system in minutes after plugging it all in together. So that's a nice benefit if you don't have a lot of time to test everything yourself.

So while building an equivalent mini system is not without merit, it's not exactly a 1:1 comparison either. Also, thanks to cloud & NAS storage, having a small local hard drive isn't as big of a deal anymore, and 2GB RAM is surprisingly efficient under Windows 8.1, so it's decently usable for a non-power home user out of the box.

I build a lot of systems based off the NUC platform (mostly Gigabyte BRIX 4" x 4" computers at my main job) & they are really great (fast to build & I can restore off a master image in about 15 minutes), but the price adds up super super quick. Most of the units I build (256gb SSD with Windows 7) clock in at about a grand a box with a copy of Office. I can do the same thing with a Stream Mini for literally half the cost.

You're right though, the price tag is deceiving if you really want to use it as a decent computer - at the very least, you'll want to add at least a $30 stick of RAM to boost it up to 6 gigs total, which pushes it over the $200 mark (still pretty decent imo). But the CPU is locked in & you can't upgrade the GPU at all, so your options are pretty much limited to SSD, RAM, and OS upgrades - but no matter how much hardware & money you dump into it, it will still be a Celeron box with integrated graphics at the end of the day, with no path to upgrade those.
 

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It is good to compare other hardware. I can also see some cons to this:

1. Still a good deal more money to build it yourself - the barebones you priced out was $181 without OS, and not everyone has Dreamspark to get a copy of 8.1 or can find as good of a deal as your Windows 7 price from a legitimate online retailer (I have no computers stores in my area - CompUSA & all the others dried up, I have to order 100% of my stuff online these days) And if we really want to do a 1:1 comparison, you'd need a full copy of Windows 8.1 ($99) & new hardware (not used), which increases the price even more.

2. The motherboard you mentioned was used. While that is a good cost savings, it's not the same as having a new, fresh-from-the-factory, warrantied board like you would with a new Stream Mini system, especially if you're putting it into a work environment or into something like a grandparent's PC that you want to run reliably for years & get factory support for going into the future.

3. It's awfully nice having a turnkey system that is also budget-friendly. I have a customer who is interested in these units as a budget system; they have been running on the same Dell desktops with Windows XP for a good 10 years straight now & don't have $50k to invest in a nicer NUC/BRIX system with new monitors. For around $300, I can buy a Stream Mini, slap in a stick of RAM, & upgrade to 8.1 Pro to join it to their domain and have a significantly improved end-user experience that gives them modern compatibility. Times 30 units, that's under $10k for a nice upgrade for their facility. For me, the installation process is basically unscrew the bottom plate, snap in the extra RAM, boot it up & paste in the Pro Pack key, then join it to their domain & setup the user. Really really easy process with no major assembly required.

4. I like having an integrated system from the factory. I've built a variety of ITX barebones like the RAIDMAX you linked. You have to make sure every piece works yourself, plus ITX boxes can be iffy sometimes (cooling, tiny fans, etc.). With the HP Stream Mini, you can literally take it out of the box & have a working system in minutes after plugging it all in together. So that's a nice benefit if you don't have a lot of time to test everything yourself.

So while building an equivalent mini system is not without merit, it's not exactly a 1:1 comparison either. Also, thanks to cloud & NAS storage, having a small local hard drive isn't as big of a deal anymore, and 2GB RAM is surprisingly efficient under Windows 8.1, so it's decently usable for a non-power home user out of the box.

I build a lot of systems based off the NUC platform (mostly Gigabyte BRIX 4" x 4" computers at my main job) & they are really great (fast to build & I can restore off a master image in about 15 minutes), but the price adds up super super quick. Most of the units I build (256gb SSD with Windows 7) clock in at about a grand a box with a copy of Office. I can do the same thing with a Stream Mini for literally half the cost.

You're right though, the price tag is deceiving if you really want to use it as a decent computer - at the very least, you'll want to add at least a $30 stick of RAM to boost it up to 6 gigs total, which pushes it over the $200 mark (still pretty decent imo). But the CPU is locked in & you can't upgrade the GPU at all, so your options are pretty much limited to SSD, RAM, and OS upgrades - but no matter how much hardware & money you dump into it, it will still be a Celeron box with integrated graphics at the end of the day, with no path to upgrade those.

Excellent write up.

I completely understand (and agree) from a business perspective it is a killer deal and serves the majority of needs.

After reading the in-depth ArsTechnica review, I got turned off, with the whole kinda needs upgrades to be "better".

From the reivew: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...stream-and-pavilion-mini-desktops-reviewed/2/

"I already bought a Stream Mini for myself. I had 8GB of DDR3 laying around, and I spent a total of $150 to add that 256GB SSD and 802.11ac Wi-Fi adapter. Even if you don't already have some spare memory somewhere, it's pretty great to be able to get a zippy, power-efficient, already-licensed-for-Windows general-purpose mini desktop for less than $400."
 

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Excellent write up.

I completely understand (and agree) from a business perspective it is a killer deal and serves the majority of needs.

After reading the in-depth ArsTechnica review, I got turned off, with the whole kinda needs upgrades to be "better".

From the reivew: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...stream-and-pavilion-mini-desktops-reviewed/2/

"I already bought a Stream Mini for myself. I had 8GB of DDR3 laying around, and I spent a total of $150 to add that 256GB SSD and 802.11ac Wi-Fi adapter. Even if you don't already have some spare memory somewhere, it's pretty great to be able to get a zippy, power-efficient, already-licensed-for-Windows general-purpose mini desktop for less than $400."

Yeah, that's the thing - if it fits your needs, it's great. Otherwise, the BRIX line currently starts at $122 barebones for the Celeron:

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-Celeron-Barebones-GB-BXBT-2807/dp/B00KR0QHXW/

Then you have the MSI Cubi line with Pentiums:

http://www.amazon.com/MSI-VESA-Mountable-Embedded-Barebones-Cubi-002BUS/dp/B00UK3L3JY/

And from there, the BRIX & NUC's offer a variety of i3, i5, and i7 chips, with optionally better integrated or dedicated graphics cards & laptop and desktop CPU options. So the whole "DIY Mini PC" product line really is pretty fleshed out already, you just have to be willing to pay the price for the improved hardware (plus install the RAM, SSD, and OS), or jump up to an ITX rig, which also offers you the option of better graphics, more storage, a built-in optical drive, etc. Nice to have options, especially for the price!

Also, the blue Mini is now dubbed "the Tupperware computer" at work :biggrin:
 

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I've been looking at a NUC to replace my aging htpc.

I wonder if this would be a better deal. I think 2gb ram would be adequate to stream video over ethernet. $100 extra to get Windows Media Center leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm a Microsoft fan.
 
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I've been looking at a NUC to replace my aging htpc.

I wonder if this would be a better deal. I think 2gb ram would be adequate to stream video over ethernet. $100 extra to get Windows Media Center leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm a Microsoft fan.

Have you looked at the Intel Compute Stick? Supposed to come with 2GB RAM and 32GB eMMC. Ubuntu version for $109.99 and Win8.1 (w/Bing?) version for $149.99. Coming soon.

Been looking at maybe a couple of those myself. (Linux versions.) Hopefully, I can put a different Linux distro on there.
 

Kaido

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Have you looked at the Intel Compute Stick? Supposed to come with 2GB RAM and 32GB eMMC. Ubuntu version for $109.99 and Win8.1 (w/Bing?) version for $149.99. Coming soon.

Been looking at maybe a couple of those myself. (Linux versions.) Hopefully, I can put a different Linux distro on there.

I have one (Lemel brand). It's neat, but has some quirks:

1. Only one USB port. You would need a hub if you want more.

2. Gets HOT. I bought one for testing & have decided not to put it into a work environment due to the heat. It appears to throttle performance as the temperature rises as well (CPU makes it warm, but GPU usage makes it hot). Mouse Computer is offering a version with a built-in fan, I'm curious if that would help at much:

http://liliputing.com/2015/04/mouse-computer-launches-windows-pc-stick-with-built-in-fan.html

3. Turbo seems to be disabled; my Lemel would not go above 1.33ghz. The 1.58ghz turbo on the regular Baytrail-T mini computers makes a BIG difference. As-is, it gets stuttery sometimes.

4. The Linxus version has worse specs (1GB RAM + 8GB SSD)

I am curious to see if the official Intel Compute Stick performs any better, especially with Linux, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Personally, I am waiting until a Cherrytrail version comes out before buying another one to play with.
 

Kaido

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I've been looking at a NUC to replace my aging htpc.

I wonder if this would be a better deal. I think 2gb ram would be adequate to stream video over ethernet. $100 extra to get Windows Media Center leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm a Microsoft fan.

As soon as I get my M.2 USB reader in, I'm cloning the original install & then will be upgrading the stock install to 8.1 Pro (with WMC) using the $99 Pro Pack upgrade. If there's anything specific you'd like me to test, let me know (i.e. 1080p streaming via Eth).

It's dumb that you have to buy the domain-friendly version of Windows to get the consumer-oriented Windows Media Center, but even so, the total cost is $280 ($180 Mini + $100 Pro upgrade), so the overall cost is still decently reasonable for getting a full-blown Windows computer with built-in HDMI & some degree of upgradability. Under $300 for a turnkey media player as capable as one running WMC is really nice! (even if it looks like Tupperware :awe:)
 

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I've been looking at a NUC to replace my aging htpc.

I wonder if this would be a better deal. I think 2gb ram would be adequate to stream video over ethernet. $100 extra to get Windows Media Center leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth, and I'm a Microsoft fan.

I would almost recommend an ASUS Vivo, but the reviews are so so.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220628

It seems all entry level desktop computers come with the ultra low end J1800 and E1 stuff.
 

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Small update, both my M.2 USB adapter & Pavilion Mini off Amazon are currently showing delivery dates of April 30th to May 18th. I suspect the USB adapter is shipping on the slow boat from China, but it's very odd that the Pavilion Mini isn't readily available. If the stock shortages continue to happen, I'm not sure how much I'll want to invest in this platform since Cherrytrail will be out in a few more months...
 

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I did order one, awesome kit for $165, the $179.99 was kind of a turn off.

Despite my apprehensions about this thing, it is too interesting to not mess with.