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Planning my first solo backpacking trip

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Originally posted by: Modular
You are missing a laptop, a stove, refrigerator, and a desktop for gaming...

Seriously though, no gun or Sat phone just in case? Maybe a GPS?

He's got the emergency beacon.

Bear spray would work for most general areas and animals. Guns are really only good for hunting and defending against really large animals. Or people. A gun with a caliber high enough to defend against even a smaller black bear would weigh a lot and cost a lot as well.
 
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Have you guys had good experience with the magnesium block flints? I can never do it "right" and end up just using it as a regular flint.

I personally prefer this:
http://www.backpackinglight.co...ire_starter_basic.html

First aid wise, what about a bag of quick clot, or an ice pack? I usually have a little bottle of burn gel too.

Did you get the water tablets that are good for viruses as well? Aside from that, I have this little straw for "can't wait for the tablets to work" situations.
http://beprepared.com/product....ater%20Filter%20System

Tablets:
http://beprepared.com/product....%20(Package%20of%2030)

I've never been able to do it right either. And it sucks sitting there trying to shave enough magnesium off of the block. I just use mine as a flint as well.
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Have you guys had good experience with the magnesium block flints? I can never do it "right" and end up just using it as a regular flint.

I personally prefer this:
http://www.backpackinglight.co...ire_starter_basic.html

First aid wise, what about a bag of quick clot, or an ice pack? I usually have a little bottle of burn gel too.

Did you get the water tablets that are good for viruses as well? Aside from that, I have this little straw for "can't wait for the tablets to work" situations.
http://beprepared.com/product....ater%20Filter%20System

Tablets:
http://beprepared.com/product....%20(Package%20of%2030)

I've never been able to do it right either. And it sucks sitting there trying to shave enough magnesium off of the block. I just use mine as a flint as well.

Yeah, I haven't tried mine yet, but I heard you basically have to scrape a thimble-sized chunk of shavings to get it to reliably light. So in short it'll be practically useless if there's wind. But like you guys said, it's good for the flint if nothing else.

My tablets:
http://www.rei.com/product/695229
 
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Have you guys had good experience with the magnesium block flints? I can never do it "right" and end up just using it as a regular flint.

They work for me, but I've just used them playing around. A lighter or matches is always my first choice. A tinder box would be a good idea if you haven't mentioned it. Paraffin soaked cotton would be good to have.
 
Originally posted by: Modular
You are missing a laptop, a stove, refrigerator, and a desktop for gaming...

Seriously though, no gun or Sat phone just in case? Maybe a GPS?

Can't own a gun (not allowed on campus and parents have a strict no guns in the house rule), I don't want a phone period. Point of the trip is to be completely out of contact. 😀

In any case I've got a decent bit of Krav Maga and a knife + bear spray, and bear attacks are rare at worst. Someone would have to be really motivated to follow me into the back woods with a gun for the most impractical robbery ever.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Can't own a gun (not allowed on campus and parents have a strict no guns in the house rule), I don't want a phone period. Point of the trip is to be completely out of contact. 😀

In any case I've got a decent bit of Krav Maga and a knife + bear spray, and bear attacks are rare at worst. Someone would have to be really motivated to follow me into the back woods with a gun for the most impractical robbery ever.

Don't be so sure on that. If you don't know already, eat at least 100ft away from your camp, and put all "smell-ables" in a bear bag at night up high. That includes suncreen, chapstick, and any container thats had gatorade in it, ect. Bears are really attacted to food and the last thing you want is waking up to a bear licking the chapstick off your lips (true story).
 
Originally posted by: the unknown
Originally posted by: irishScott
Can't own a gun (not allowed on campus and parents have a strict no guns in the house rule), I don't want a phone period. Point of the trip is to be completely out of contact. 😀

In any case I've got a decent bit of Krav Maga and a knife + bear spray, and bear attacks are rare at worst. Someone would have to be really motivated to follow me into the back woods with a gun for the most impractical robbery ever.

Don't be so sure on that. If you don't know already, eat at least 100ft away from your camp, and put all "smell-ables" in a bear bag at night up high. That includes suncreen, chapstick, and any container thats had gatorade in it, ect. Bears are really attacted to food and the last thing you want is waking up to a bear licking the chapstick off your lips (true story).

Oh I know. This is just my first solo backpacking trip. 🙂

In any case the vast majority of my food will be MREs. They'll give off a scent, but it'll be minimal.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: the unknown
Originally posted by: irishScott
Can't own a gun (not allowed on campus and parents have a strict no guns in the house rule), I don't want a phone period. Point of the trip is to be completely out of contact. 😀

In any case I've got a decent bit of Krav Maga and a knife + bear spray, and bear attacks are rare at worst. Someone would have to be really motivated to follow me into the back woods with a gun for the most impractical robbery ever.

Don't be so sure on that. If you don't know already, eat at least 100ft away from your camp, and put all "smell-ables" in a bear bag at night up high. That includes suncreen, chapstick, and any container thats had gatorade in it, ect. Bears are really attacted to food and the last thing you want is waking up to a bear licking the chapstick off your lips (true story).

Oh I know. This is just my first solo backpacking trip. 🙂

In any case the vast majority of my food will be MREs. They'll give off a scent, but it'll be minimal.

MREs? That's going to be a lot of food weight because MREs come hydrated... why not pack dry food that you can rehydrate with boiling water (that you filter)?
 
Originally posted by: scott
We could help you better if you said type of environment.

(a) Moleskin is only half the blister fix.
Buy a small box of spenco second skin, which looks like miniature bubble wrap impregnated with jelly stuff. It?s almost weightless, cheap, in green box. Remember, it?s the small box. If you get a blister you clean it & cut some spenco second skin to cover it, and then cover that over with moleskin. Do not stick moleskin directly onto blistered skin.

(b) Nix the signal flare. If necessary, you spread out that space blanket to help the chopper see you from the air.

(c ) Nix all matches. Matches = gear from ancient past. Take 2 new plastic BIC-style cigarette lighters stowed in separate locations so if pack falls off cliff or bear runs off with it you?ll still have another.

(d) Nix the 6 Lightning Nugget Firestarters. Useless & hazardous.

(e) Nix the ACR Firefly 3 Waterbug Strobe.

(f) Nix Counter Assault 290g Bear Spray. Are you serious? Did some idiot sell you the belief a spray will deter the hungry bear? Very dangerous because it might lull you into wrongly relying on it. Maybe you list this as a joke?? I can?t tell.

(g) Nix the Magnesium Firestarter with flint strip. Bic lighters are more than sufficient - may add a sprinkle of campstove fuel if wood damp.

(h) As for your Benchmade 155SBK FixedPresidio, you can lug a big knife to be macho. I?ve done deep wilderness backpacks using just the 2.5? pocket knife on my key chain, that?s really enough.

Add:
*A cheap whistle to call for help.
*A small mirror to flash sunlight to your rescuers if in daylight. Metal mirror better. (fire & whistle at night)
*About $20 in $1.00 bills, in case you need to pay other backpackers for something on the trail, e.g.; stove gas, food, etc.
*Clothesline to hang food between trees.
*I usually take a few clothespins to hang gear on same line in morning to dry. Stuff gets damp at night.
*?Off? bug spray.
*Camera ? take only pictures, leave only footprints.
*Plastic trowel to dig holes for latrine & for dishwashing water, & coreless TP rolls.
*A few flashlights kept in separate places.
* I usually take a real lightweight thin nylon day pack or fanny pack to carry stuff while roaming away from campsite where backpack stays.
*Usually take some diversions, frisbee to play w/ others back there, star map, 1ea smallish paperback book like plant/bird identification, etc. to pass boring hours stuck in tent in rain.
*Have a damn good water filter & couple of storage bottles.
*sunscreen.
*any daily meds you normally take.
*Map in water resistant sleeve.
*Couple of pens, something to write your thoughts in.
*Stove, fuel, stainless steel cookware not aluminum (that's just me)
*food-more than you think you'll need, and plan out food budget
*clothes in layers. Night = colder ?n all get out. Day=can hike in swim trunks & t-shirt. Several pairs of sox. Maybe ski cap.
*tent, sleeping bag, inflatable mat, backpack w/ rain fly
*watch. Some take compass, I always do but don't use it.
*biodegradable dish soap & pan scrubber.
*a small sponge to help dry wet tent in morning.
* Nat?l Forest Service wilderness permit if applicable.

Be real strict with yourself about keeping food well away from tent.

You?ll have lots more fun going with a friend instead of alone.

I'll be heading to the linville gorge, and surrounding wilderness.
http://linvillegorge.net/


a. I'll look into it. I've never had any trouble with blisters though. My current boot/sock combo has seen me through plenty.

b. If it's dark, that space blanket won't do much. Even in daylight a flare is much more noticeable than a red square. In addition I'm going to be surrounded by trees for the most part.

c. I like my matches. 🙁

d. And if I have to sit through a several hour thunderstorm?

e. See b

f. Better than nothing, could also help with human deterrent. My car's going to be parked in the same place for a week. Pretty prime target. In any case it is extremely rare for a black bear to hunt a human. Bear sighting are also rare where I'm going. In the very unlikely chance that I do have a violent encounter with a bear I'll be better off screaming, snapping branches and throwing rocks.

g. Always best to have a backup. Besides, it's cool. 🙂

h. Ever had to chop something? The weight comes in handy. I'm also carrying it for defense, and I have a decent bit of training in that regard.

Add:
<snip>

Whistle is a good call, and I forgot to include my mirror. Have everything else covered. This was to critique my medical and emergency survival gear only.

And I've gone with friends before and had fun. I'm going this one alone for personal reasons. I've gone weeks without human contact under much worse circumstances. This is going to be awesome.
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: the unknown
Originally posted by: irishScott
Can't own a gun (not allowed on campus and parents have a strict no guns in the house rule), I don't want a phone period. Point of the trip is to be completely out of contact. 😀

In any case I've got a decent bit of Krav Maga and a knife + bear spray, and bear attacks are rare at worst. Someone would have to be really motivated to follow me into the back woods with a gun for the most impractical robbery ever.

Don't be so sure on that. If you don't know already, eat at least 100ft away from your camp, and put all "smell-ables" in a bear bag at night up high. That includes suncreen, chapstick, and any container thats had gatorade in it, ect. Bears are really attacted to food and the last thing you want is waking up to a bear licking the chapstick off your lips (true story).

Oh I know. This is just my first solo backpacking trip. 🙂

In any case the vast majority of my food will be MREs. They'll give off a scent, but it'll be minimal.

MREs? That's going to be a lot of food weight because MREs come hydrated... why not pack dry food that you can rehydrate with boiling water (that you filter)?

I like the extra weight. Makes reaching one's goals all the more satisfying. I fully expect to get a good workout out of this if nothing else. Said weight will also decrease as the trip goes on.

MREs are also convenient (no need to worry about a stove, fire, pots/pans or silverware) and from what I've been able to find more efficient in terms of calories/$.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
isnt rule number one of going hiking and stuff like that is go with another person and not alone?

Pretty much.

It's less safe to go alone, doesn't make it unsafe. There is a threshold here IMO. Besides, the risk adds to the experience. The trick is to not do anything stupid alone (ie: cliff diving).
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: Modular
You are missing a laptop, a stove, refrigerator, and a desktop for gaming...

Seriously though, no gun or Sat phone just in case? Maybe a GPS?

He's got the emergency beacon.

Bear spray would work for most general areas and animals. Guns are really only good for hunting and defending against really large animals. Or people. A gun with a caliber high enough to defend against even a smaller black bear would weigh a lot and cost a lot as well.

Meh not really. Get yourself a Mauser or a Mosin Nagant carbine. The Mosin will run you around $100 or so, about double for the Mauser. Pack of maybe 10 rounds of ammo is enough. You do not need to get a brand new Remington with all the bells and whistles to bring down game.
 
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: Modular
You are missing a laptop, a stove, refrigerator, and a desktop for gaming...

Seriously though, no gun or Sat phone just in case? Maybe a GPS?

He's got the emergency beacon.

Bear spray would work for most general areas and animals. Guns are really only good for hunting and defending against really large animals. Or people. A gun with a caliber high enough to defend against even a smaller black bear would weigh a lot and cost a lot as well.

Meh not really. Get yourself a Mauser or a Mosin Nagant carbine. The Mosin will run you around $100 or so, about double for the Mauser. Pack of maybe 10 rounds of ammo is enough. You do not need to get a brand new Remington with all the bells and whistles to bring down game.

If only I had a place to keep said gun after I bought it. Can't keep it on campus, and my parents have a strict no guns in the house rule. As soon as I get my own place, buying a gun and learning to use it is close to the top of my to-do list.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: Modular
You are missing a laptop, a stove, refrigerator, and a desktop for gaming...

Seriously though, no gun or Sat phone just in case? Maybe a GPS?

He's got the emergency beacon.

Bear spray would work for most general areas and animals. Guns are really only good for hunting and defending against really large animals. Or people. A gun with a caliber high enough to defend against even a smaller black bear would weigh a lot and cost a lot as well.

Meh not really. Get yourself a Mauser or a Mosin Nagant carbine. The Mosin will run you around $100 or so, about double for the Mauser. Pack of maybe 10 rounds of ammo is enough. You do not need to get a brand new Remington with all the bells and whistles to bring down game.

If only I had a place to keep said gun after I bought it. Can't keep it on campus, and my parents have a strict no guns in the house rule. As soon as I get my own place, buying a gun and learning to use it is close to the top of my to-do list.

That's what I did, though my dad taught and encouraged me in target shooting. But when I moved out of the dorms I got me an apartment, called up the city to check the laws, and brought some guns to the flat. I would recommend being discrete about it though. Guns are high ticket items for theft and you do not want to make it obvious that you have them since college towns are good targets. I had a bunch of mine stolen; though the crime was random, the guy went around and kicked in the doors of the storage rooms in all the apartments and got lucky with mine. Cest la vie.

Personally I would not bring a rifle with me on a hike unless I was expecting to do hunting. Otherwise it's extra bulk, weight and probably more of a safety hazard than anything else. It would depend on where I was hiking though I guess and for personal protection a magnum revolver might be better. It would be more accessible in a pinch and you really do not need to do ranged shots. But I have no idea if that would be an appropriate weapon for bear.
 
The most important thing to bring is a GPS SOS device... because if you get seriously injured you'll need rescuing, not bandages.
 
EDIT: FWIW, Linville Gorge is about 2 hours from me and I'm up there all the time climbing.

The following assumes you have basic stuff covered, i.e. proper clothing, shelter, wilderness skills, and of course, sufficient non-pussy-ness.

Jesus fucking christ. Overkill. Way overkill.

Take:

1 SAM Splint
1 Finger Splint
Small bottle of superglue
Athletic Tape
1-week supply of oral antibiotics
Benadryl

If applicable:
Situational life-critical drugs, i.e. insulin, epi-pen, etc.


Survival:

Space Blanket x2
Multi-tool (Leatherman, etc.)
Extra headlamp batteries (2 sets)


What the hell were you going to do with the rest of that stuff? Set up a store?

If you get injured to the point where this basic stuff won't help you, no amount of extraneous crud is going to get you out of the jam. You need other folk.

Be sure to tell someone trustworthy when you're leaving, when you should be back, and what your planned route is.
 
Originally posted by: ja1484
EDIT: FWIW, Linville Gorge is about 2 hours from me and I'm up there all the time climbing.

The following assumes you have basic stuff covered, i.e. proper clothing, shelter, wilderness skills, and of course, sufficient non-pussy-ness.

Jesus fucking christ. Overkill. Way overkill.

Take:

1 SAM Splint
1 Finger Splint
Small bottle of superglue
Athletic Tape
1-week supply of oral antibiotics
Benadryl

If applicable:
Situational life-critical drugs, i.e. insulin, epi-pen, etc.


Survival:

Space Blanket x2
Multi-tool (Leatherman, etc.)
Extra headlamp batteries (2 sets)


What the hell were you going to do with the rest of that stuff? Set up a store?

If you get injured to the point where this basic stuff won't help you, no amount of extraneous crud is going to get you out of the jam. You need other folk.

Be sure to tell someone trustworthy when you're leaving, when you should be back, and what your planned route is.

And if, say, I'm immobilized for whatever reason? What if I get a bad laceration or bite? Other folk won't do me any good if I can't get to them or signal them. Hell with your list I don't even have disinfectant. Are you serious?

If I was traveling with a partner or group then I'd be taking more along the lines of what you posted, and even then other people would be picking up the slack. I'm flying solo on this one, and aside from entry/exit dates and a very general route, I won't have any itinerary or contact with the outside world. My goal is to get as far away from people as possible. To be, literally, completely on my own.

The personal reasons for this are complicated, but suffice to say in this scenario I have to be prepared to deal with anything and everything on my own. Help is no longer a certainty, and thus cannot be counted on. Hell with your list I would barely have a prayer of getting any help at all if I got anything worse than a moderate sprain.

Edit: And I'm sorry, but I just can't get over the fact that you don't have any sort of disinfectant listed. With all due respect, that's just stupid.
 
Originally posted by: dmw16
Are you going somewhere that it is legal to carry a firearm? If so, I'd bring one along.

Already addressed this. Yes it would be legal. Yes I want to. However, I don't have anywhere to keep the thing once I buy it. Parents won't let one in the house (paranoid) and the University won't let me keep one on campus. 🙁

So I'm stuck with bear spray, a nice combat/survival knife and a moderate bit of Krav Maga training. I'm fine with that. Some random nut tracking me deep into the backwoods for the sole purpose of committing the most impractical and unprofitable robbery ever is pretty far out there as far as possibilities go.
 
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: dmw16
Are you going somewhere that it is legal to carry a firearm? If so, I'd bring one along.

Already addressed this. Yes it would be legal. Yes I want to. However, I don't have anywhere to keep the thing once I buy it. Parents won't let one in the house (paranoid) and the University won't let me keep one on campus. 🙁

So I'm stuck with bear spray, a nice combat/survival knife and a moderate bit of Krav Maga training. I'm fine with that. Some random nut tracking me deep into the backwoods for the sole purpose of committing the most impractical and unprofitable robbery ever is pretty far out there as far as possibilities go.

Sorry, missed that earlier in the post. You could buy it and not tell your parents or store it on campus and not tell anyone 🙂
 
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: venkman
bear repellent spray? Are you batman?

I always carry bear spray in an easy to reach area when I'm by myself. Almost had to use it once when a bear mock charged me. Was walking and saw a bear foraging ahead. Stopped, took out the spray, and slowly backed away, but the bear did a mock charge anyway. And then IT ran away.

:Q


We get drop bears in Australia
 
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