Planner of 9/11 attacks waterboarded 183 times-NYT

[ericlp]

http://www.reuters.com/article...stCrisis/idUSN19326905


WASHINGTON, April 19 (Reuters) - CIA interrogators used the waterboarding technique on Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the admitted planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, 183 times and 83 times on another al Qaeda suspect, The New York Times said on Sunday.

The Times said a 2005 Justice Department memorandum showed that Abu Zubaydah, the first prisoner questioned in the CIA's overseas detention program in August 2002, was waterboarded 83 times, although a former CIA officer had told news media he had been subjected to only 35 seconds underwater before talking.

President Barack Obama has banned the use of waterboarding, overturning a Bush administration policy that it did not constitute torture.

The Justice Department memo said the simulated drowning technique was used on Mohammed 183 times in March 2003. The Times said some copies of the memos appeared to have the number of waterboardings redacted while others did not.

The Senate Intelligence Committee is investigating the CIA interrogation program, which under President George W. Bush also included slamming prisoners into walls, shackling them in uncomfortable positions and depriving them of sleep.

Bush administration officials had claimed such methods were needed to get information but the repeated use of the waterboard on Zubaydah and Mohammed were sure to raise questions about its effectiveness. (Writing by Bill Trott; editing by Chris Wilson)


183 times? Wouldn't you think that's a bit excessive? How much more is he gonna talk after the tenth time?

I'd love to see bush waterboarding for 100 times. See what he thinks of it.

Very good Image for America.

 

[cubby1223]

Or maybe it *does* work and that's why they kept at it

The only thing I know is I will never trust the New York Times to provide an unbiased report on this subject.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or maybe it *does* work and that's why they kept at it

The only thing I know is I will never trust the New York Times to provide an unbiased report on this subject.

whatever makes you sleep better at night

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or maybe it *does* work and that's why they kept at it

The only thing I know is I will never trust the New York Times to provide an unbiased report on this subject.

whatever makes you sleep better at night

Do you lie awake at night fretting over it?....try some herbal tea, it can do wonders.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Or maybe it *does* work and that's why they kept at it

The only thing I know is I will never trust the New York Times to provide an unbiased report on this subject.

That's pretty much how everyone who isn't far right feels about Fox News and any subject.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: ericlp
183 times? Wouldn't you think that's a bit excessive? How much more is he gonna talk after the tenth time?

This isn't Hollywood. You don't repeat the process three times then all of a sudden they crack and pour out every ounce of info.

 

[bozack]

IMHO it isn't nearly enough, you could have that they did it a million times and it wouldn't be enough.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: bozack
IMHO it isn't nearly enough, you could have that they did it a million times and it wouldn't be enough.

Okay for John McCain to have been tortured?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Okay for John McCain to have been tortured?

Apparently the people who captured him thought he did which is why they held and tortured him.

But then again, we were involved in a war, whereas this asshole planned the deaths of thousands of civilians in a cowardly slaughter. I would have no issues if they waterboarded him, his entire family, and all of his co conspirators and then killed them all.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I don't know where to even begin here.

1. Bush administration officials (including Bush himself) perjured themselves when they said that the technique was used sparingly and only a couple of times

2. No matter what someone does to us, we are supposed to be better than they are. Sure we lost thousands of innocent people. Is that reason enough to completely abandon hundreds of years of political philosophy and resort to torture of other human beings? What happened to "All men are created equal"? I guess that only applies to "All American men" and anyone else is beneath us and is subject to whatever inhumane and degrading treatments we can think up.

3. If any of you cowards that are glowing about this or thinking that it wasn't enough truly believe it, you have become what you most despise.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I don't know where to even begin here.

2. No matter what someone does to us, we are supposed to be better than they are. Sure we lost thousands of innocent people. Is that reason enough to completely abandon hundreds of years of political philosophy and resort to torture of other human beings? What happened to "All men are created equal"? I guess that only applies to "All American men" and anyone else is beneath us and is subject to whatever inhumane and degrading treatments we can think up.

Where do you get this idea we have held the moral high ground consistently over our history? And what does all mean being created equal have to do with this?

Go look up the Morgantheu plan. This was enacted during what many consider our most just war behind the Civil and Revolutionary wars. It left thousands of civilians dead and possibly upto a million German POWs dead in slave labor camps post war. If you go through our history we rarely hold the moral high ground in times of war. Because war is an ugly business and the one who is the ugliest typically wins.

Hell, didnt Washington have military tribunals which resulted in executions?

3. If any of you cowards that are glowing about this or thinking that it wasn't enough truly believe it, you have become what you most despise.

How about if I dont care if the person behind the 9-11 attacks was waterboarded? Does that make me a coward because an evil human was subjected to a treatment that left him uncomfortable and I dont care?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I don't know where to even begin here.

2. No matter what someone does to us, we are supposed to be better than they are. Sure we lost thousands of innocent people. Is that reason enough to completely abandon hundreds of years of political philosophy and resort to torture of other human beings? What happened to "All men are created equal"? I guess that only applies to "All American men" and anyone else is beneath us and is subject to whatever inhumane and degrading treatments we can think up.

Where do you get this idea we have held the moral high ground consistently over our history? And what does all mean being created equal have to do with this?

Go look up the Morgantheu plan. This was enacted during what many consider our most just war behind the Civil and Revolutionary wars. It left thousands of civilians dead and possibly upto a million German POWs dead in slave labor camps post war. If you go through our history we rarely hold the moral high ground in times of war. Because war is an ugly business and the one who is the ugliest typically wins.

Hell, didnt Washington have military tribunals which resulted in executions?

3. If any of you cowards that are glowing about this or thinking that it wasn't enough truly believe it, you have become what you most despise.

How about if I dont care if the person behind the 9-11 attacks was waterboarded? Does that make me a coward because an evil human was subjected to a treatment that left him uncomfortable and I dont care?

Yeah it's hard to feel bad for a Mass Murderer being mistreated.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Bush administration officials (including Bush himself) perjured themselves when they said that the technique was used sparingly and only a couple of times

I know some on the left want members of the Bush Administration, or Bush himself, "brought to justice", but it isn't going to happen any time soon.

What happened to "All men are created equal"? I guess that only applies to "All American men" and anyone else is beneath us and is subject to whatever inhumane and degrading treatments we can think up.

Slavery, native Americans, Japanese, women, immigrants, etc. These are all instance in our history when the circumstances, or cultural mindset of the time, resulted in our nation engaging in behavior contrary to our values...yet despite the fear and horror generated by the 9/11 attacks, the reaction against the Muslim community was fairly light. I have a huge problem with America torturing its own citizens or enemy noncombatants...the nature of our Al Quaida enemy unfortunately complicates the rules of war as we know them.

If any of you cowards that are glowing about this or thinking that it wasn't enough truly believe it, you have become what you most despise.

And you are being a bit naive.

 

[sandorski]

Shameful

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I don't know where to even begin here.

2. No matter what someone does to us, we are supposed to be better than they are. Sure we lost thousands of innocent people. Is that reason enough to completely abandon hundreds of years of political philosophy and resort to torture of other human beings? What happened to "All men are created equal"? I guess that only applies to "All American men" and anyone else is beneath us and is subject to whatever inhumane and degrading treatments we can think up.

Where do you get this idea we have held the moral high ground consistently over our history? And what does all mean being created equal have to do with this?

Go look up the Morgantheu plan. This was enacted during what many consider our most just war behind the Civil and Revolutionary wars. It left thousands of civilians dead and possibly upto a million German POWs dead in slave labor camps post war. If you go through our history we rarely hold the moral high ground in times of war. Because war is an ugly business and the one who is the ugliest typically wins.

Hell, didnt Washington have military tribunals which resulted in executions?

3. If any of you cowards that are glowing about this or thinking that it wasn't enough truly believe it, you have become what you most despise.

How about if I dont care if the person behind the 9-11 attacks was waterboarded? Does that make me a coward because an evil human was subjected to a treatment that left him uncomfortable and I dont care?

Yeah it's hard to feel bad for a Mass Murderer being mistreated.

:thumbsup: Anything that leaves him breathing is too kind.

 

[Aimster]

I have a problem with this technique when used against people who "might" be innocent.

This guy did it. Do it 5,000 more times.
k Thanks

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Okay for John McCain to have been tortured?

Apparently the people who captured him thought he did which is why they held and tortured him.

But then again, we were involved in a war, whereas this asshole planned the deaths of thousands of civilians in a cowardly slaughter. I would have no issues if they waterboarded him, his entire family, and all of his co conspirators and then killed them all.

What about all the Vietnam citizens who were cowardly slaughtered? I love people like you that cowardly lack the ability to see issues from the other side. You cowardly act like a tough guy and at the same time cowardly pretend that you believe in freedom and rights.

The fact is, WE ARE THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. At one time we were the most powerful and most honorable country in the world. WE believed in doing what is right and working hard, and upholding freedom and liberty no matter what.

Now we are infested by cowardly people like yourself who do not really believe in things like liberty and justice, but instead use them to allow yourself to cowardly act like an asshole.

We were better than torture. But the cowards choose to take us in a different direction.

Stop ruining our country. Coward.

 

[Atreus21]

Son of a bitch deserved it.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
What about all the Vietnam citizens who were cowardly slaughtered? I love people like you that cowardly lack the ability to see issues from the other side. You cowardly act like a tough guy and at the same time cowardly pretend that you believe in freedom and rights.

The fact is, WE ARE THE FUCKING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. At one time we were the most powerful and most honorable country in the world. WE believed in doing what is right and working hard, and upholding freedom and liberty no matter what.

Now we are infested by cowardly people like yourself who do not really believe in things like liberty and justice, but instead use them to allow yourself to cowardly act like an asshole.

We were better than torture. But the cowards choose to take us in a different direction.

Stop ruining our country. Coward.

I read this and all I think is "idiotic"...

Even if what you say is true, and that this country was always a pillar for justice and good (clearly not the case) then I would counter at look at where it got us, losing a few wars, getting planes slammed into the twin towers and the pentagon with thousands upon thousands dead...unfortunately being the good guy and taking the moral high road gets you nowhere in life.

Fuck this guys freedom and rights, as someone said above they should still be waterboarding him today.

 

[beyoku]

Hmm, i thought Osmama planned 9/11?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Son of a bitch deserved it.

im sure jesus would agree, sounds like the kind of thing he'd say.


"It was like flipping a switch."

"It was like flipping a switch," Mr Kiriakou the first person directly involved in the questioning of any high level al-Qai'da detainees to speak out.

He told ABC News that Abu Zubaida was being defiant and uncooperative mid summer 2002 when he was tied down on a board, his nose and mouth wrapped cellophane to stop him breathing while water was forced down his throat. As the terrified detainee struggled for air water poured into his lungs and he broke down in about 35 seconds.

Mr Kiriakou said he was carefully briefed on what had happened. The next day, Mr Zubaida told his torturers that he would tell them whatever they wanted to know.

Guess the switch was broken.

 

[dahunan]

wow.. fucking retards... "It is only TORTURE when they do it to our soldiers" .. RIGHT??????????


You torture promoters are sick humans... not fit to be americans :-( .....

Enjoy your miserable lives

 

[MikeyLSU]

not everyone agrees that waterboarding is tourture. To me it is not...I know it is now classified as tourture, but I disagree.

I would much rather be waterboarded than actually tourtured by the N. Vietnamese. I'm sure I will be called many names for saying this, but it is what I believe. I also don't think putting bugs on people to scare them is tourture either.

 

[theeedude]

Kinda makes you wonder if these guys are really guilty or just said they were under torture.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
not everyone agrees that waterboarding is tourture. To me it is not...I know it is now classified as tourture, but I disagree.

I would much rather be waterboarded than actually tourtured by the N. Vietnamese. I'm sure I will be called many names for saying this, but it is what I believe. I also don't think putting bugs on people to scare them is tourture either.

It is Torture. Your Opinion on the matter is irrelevant.