planned communities scare me

[Dubb]

you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Ever been in one? Most of those 'ghetto' houses have been around since the 50s-60s(alot of times longer) and they are still standing. The biggest danger from them is lead paint.

I have yet to hear of any reports of cookie cutter houses collasping. You act like they're made of cardboard.

I live in a house less than 5 years old and it's built 10 times better than the 50+ year old house I grew up in. The floors are sturdier and quiet, and walls feel more solid when you pound on them, everything is superior.

It's just "fashionable" to bash suburbia and exaggerate about the quality, which is what most do.

so seeing this with my own two eyes everyday...seeing people complaing of crappy paint jobs, bad drywall installs, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, unconscionable plumbing, etc is all a figment of my imgaination?

SOme builders are better than others, but you are also assuming that things were built right in the past. I have discovered a few odd things when doing some remodeling on this house.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Dubb
you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

ALways a trade off between square footage and quality, but sometimes you have give up a little quality to get more space.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Ever been in one? Most of those 'ghetto' houses have been around since the 50s-60s(alot of times longer) and they are still standing. The biggest danger from them is lead paint.

I have yet to hear of any reports of cookie cutter houses collasping. You act like they're made of cardboard.

I live in a house less than 5 years old and it's built 10 times better than the 50+ year old house I grew up in. The floors are sturdier and quiet, and walls feel more solid when you pound on them, everything is superior.

It's just "fashionable" to bash suburbia and exaggerate about the quality, which is what most do.

so seeing this with my own two eyes everyday...seeing people complaing of crappy paint jobs, bad drywall installs, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, unconscionable plumbing, etc is all a figment of my imgaination?

Some builders are better than others, but you are also assuming that things were built right in the past. I have discovered a few odd things when doing some remodeling on this house.

we were doing this job...hilarious ....appearantly the previous contractor screwed up and knoed one of the main supports down, and the entire hosue almsot fell down...in the end all the floors were slated almost 5 -10 deg ...modififying doors and clossets and drywall...basically..it was a very 'interestin' experience fixing that mess

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Dubb
you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

Agreed. Our home is small, but by chance, it is fantastic.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
so seeing this with my own two eyes everyday...seeing people complaing of crappy paint jobs, bad drywall installs, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, unconscionable plumbing, etc is all a figment of my imgaination?

Boo hoo they did a bad paint job. OH KNOES!!! Because a bad paint job is just as bad as some rectangle shaped post WWII crapbox.

You just got done telling me how "perfect" planned communities are, not you're telling me they're falling apart? :roll:

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Dubb
you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

Agreed. Our home is small, but by chance, it is fantastic.

What do you define as small?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Dubb
you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

Agreed. Our home is small, but by chance, it is fantastic.

What do you define as small?

I don't have the dimensions, but 4bed 2 bath upstairs (each room is about 12x20)

first floor: 1 dining room (~18x30) + kitchen + (30x22) + tv room (20x20) + living room ( 20x18)

+ full open basement with little movie theater thigny downstairs..


rough guesses btw

pic of half of the length of the basement which runs the length of the tv and living rooms


pic showing off half of the 'tv room'

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
so seeing this with my own two eyes everyday...seeing people complaing of crappy paint jobs, bad drywall installs, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, unconscionable plumbing, etc is all a figment of my imgaination?

Boo hoo they did a bad paint job. OH KNOES!!! Because a bad paint job is just as bad as some rectangle shaped post WWII crapbox.

You just got done telling me how "perfect" planned communities are, not you're telling me they're falling apart? :roll:

:laugh:

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Dubb
you can't really blame the developers, they're just giving people what they want.

The real problem is that american homebuyers care more about square footage and the appearance of a "new" house than quality construction. When people realize that a smaller, well designed, well built building is better (and more enjoyable) in the long run, things will change. thinking entirely in terms of $/s.f. is just asking for trouble.

I'm not counting on that changing anytime soon, though.

Agreed. Our home is small, but by chance, it is fantastic.

What do you define as small?

I don't have the dimensions, but 4bed 2 bath upstairs (each room is about 12x20)

first floor: 1 dining room (~18x30) + kitchen + (30x22) + tv room (20x20) + living room ( 20x18)

+ full open basement with little movie theater thigny downstairs..


rough guesses btw

YOu do realize that is a large house by the standards of a ccouple decades ago? You know when houses were built right....

 

[Goosemaster]

maybe it is...we jsut work at so many mansions and downright ENORMOUS palaces that we sometimes get some so tired that we fail to realize how good we have it

the house is about 20+ yeras old

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
maybe it is...we jsut work at so many mansions and downright ENORMOUS palaces that we sometimes get some so tired that we fail to realize how good we have it

the house is about 20+ yeras old

Sounds like it was really big then.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
maybe it is...we jsut work at so many mansions and downright ENORMOUS palaces that we sometimes get some so tired that we fail to realize how good we have it

What do you consider "enormous"? I've been in 10,000 square foot houses and wasn't impressed.

You're not enormous unless you're over 20,000 square feet. I once visited a 30,000 square foot house. Certainly not "crap" construction quality. Slate roof, all brick, copper gutters.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
maybe it is...we jsut work at so many mansions and downright ENORMOUS palaces that we sometimes get some so tired that we fail to realize how good we have it

What do you consider "enormous"? I've been in 10,000 square foot houses and wasn't impressed.

You're not enormous unless you're over 20,000 square feet. I once visited a 30,000 square foot house. Certainly not "crap" construction quality. Slate roof, all brick, copper gutters.

a marble staircase encircled by glass walls on three sides and a crew of about 20 lanscapers mowing the field.... to start....

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
maybe it is...we jsut work at so many mansions and downright ENORMOUS palaces that we sometimes get some so tired that we fail to realize how good we have it

What do you consider "enormous"? I've been in 10,000 square foot houses and wasn't impressed.

You're not enormous unless you're over 20,000 square feet. I once visited a 30,000 square foot house. Certainly not "crap" construction quality. Slate roof, all brick, copper gutters.

Here is a shoddy house for you It's on my campus. Just hit refresh to see differing pics.

EDIT: dangit link didnt link....

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
a marble staircase encircled by glass walls on three sides and a crew of about 20 lanscapers mowing the field.... to start....

Square feet please. Give me numbers.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
a marble staircase encircled by glass walls on three sides and a crew of about 20 lanscapers mowing the field.... to start....

Square feet please. Give me numbers.

lol....you're kidding right?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
lol....you're kidding right?

The original question had nothing to do with quality. You just told me about a staircase.

I said, what do you consider "enormous"? Numbers.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
so seeing this with my own two eyes everyday...seeing people complaing of crappy paint jobs, bad drywall installs, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, unconscionable plumbing, etc is all a figment of my imgaination?

Boo hoo they did a bad paint job. OH KNOES!!! Because a bad paint job is just as bad as some rectangle shaped post WWII crapbox.

You just got done telling me how "perfect" planned communities are, not you're telling me they're falling apart? :roll:

:roll: what do you do, selectively read certain things? there is the whole rest of the list there - bad drywall, cracked foundations, faulty electrical work, etc etc....

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
lol....you're kidding right?

The original question had nothing to do with quality. You just told me about a staircase.

I said, what do you consider "enormous"? Numbers.

'Enormous'

Just hit refresh to see differing pictures

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
lol....you're kidding right?

The original question had nothing to do with quality. You just told me about a staircase.

I said, what do you consider "enormous"? Numbers.

so what if I were to say 3500sq ft. ?

Woud lthat we small, large?


It is a FRIGGEN MARBLE STAIRCASE= 1000s of square feet

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Here is a shoddy house for you It's on my campus. Just hit refresh to see differing pics.

EDIT: dangit link didnt link....

Rather have Biltmore in Ashville NC, it's 180,000 square feet.

But I like new large homes.

The 10,000 square foot one I was in was old, built in 1940. Didn't like it much.

The 30,000 one was brand new. Awesome and much more unique than the older house.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
lol....you're kidding right?

The original question had nothing to do with quality. You just told me about a staircase.

I said, what do you consider "enormous"? Numbers.

'Enormous'

Just hit refresh to see differing pictures

usually they are a lot smaller and getting a client with such a large home is rare, but it does happen. The ones that we have been at that are naywhere near that size have been contemporary designs....modern art even...



<--always wanted to see a F.L. Wright house in person

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Here is a shoddy house for you It's on my campus. Just hit refresh to see differing pics.

EDIT: dangit link didnt link....

Rather have Biltmore in Ashville NC, it's 180,000 square feet.

But I like new large homes.

The 10,000 square foot one I was in was old, built in 1940. Didn't like it much.

The 30,000 one was brand new. Awesome and much more unique than the older house.

urgh....

:shurg;

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
so what if I were to say 3500sq ft. ?

Woud lthat we small, large?

It is a FRIGGEN MARBLE STAIRCASE= 1000s of square feet

So you have no idea how big these houses are?

Do you have any concept of square footage of a house? Of what's big, what's small, whats average?

I could put a marble staircase in my dinky 2 bed, 2 bath 1,500 square foot townhouse. That doesn't make it big.