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Pistons Versus Lakers in the NBA Finals

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Man, I never realized how much people really do hate the Lakers. The Lakers were basically a dynasty, in this day and age. Winning 3 out of the last 5 NBA Championships is an amazing accomplishment, something that won't be repeated for a LONG time in the NBA. Making it to the Finals in 4 out of the last 5 seasons is also nothing to scoff at. The Lakers need to really end the drama with all these high profile stars, and add a core group of guys that can really be the role-players the Lakers need. Shaq and Kobe can't do everything, and that was exemplified in this series.

I say we should keep Fisher, Malone (if he wants to stay), Kobe, Shaq, Walton, Rush, Fox, and George. Slava needs to go, Brian Cook needs to go, Jamal Samson needs to go, and Payton needs to go. I think the Lakers could benefit from a new coach as well, not saying Phil is a bad coach. What the Lakers don't need is more inexperienced young players, we need some good role players that can rebound and make shots. We desperately need a bench that can augment Shaq and Kobe.
 
Rudy T to replace Phil? He is the only coach besides Greg Popovich, Larry Brown, and Phil to win a title in the last 14 years.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Man, I never realized how much people really do hate the Lakers. The Lakers were basically a dynasty, in this day and age. Winning 3 out of the last 5 NBA Championships is an amazing accomplishment, something that won't be repeated for a LONG time in the NBA. Making it to the Finals in 4 out of the last 5 seasons is also nothing to scoff at. The Lakers need to really end the drama with all these high profile stars, and add a core group of guys that can really be the role-players the Lakers need. Shaq and Kobe can't do everything, and that was exemplified in this series.

I say we should keep Fisher, Malone (if he wants to stay), Kobe, Shaq, Walton, Rush, Fox, and George. Slava needs to go, Brian Cook needs to go, Jamal Samson needs to go, and Payton needs to go. I think the Lakers could benefit from a new coach as well, not saying Phil is a bad coach. What the Lakers don't need is more inexperienced young players, we need some good role players that can rebound and make shots. We desperately need a bench that can augment Shaq and Kobe.
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You're living in a dream world, not reality. Kobe will NOT be back next season, LA can't rebuild until either Shaq or Kobe are gone, and it ain't gonna be the best center in the league. You're better off trading for someone like J.Kidd or TMac anyway, they are more consistent and can do more for the team...
 
From a non-basketball fan, my point-of-view on the Laker's demise:

1. When only two players on your team average double digits in scoring in the entire series vs. five Pistons who had double-digit scoring averages, that about sums up why the Lakers lost. There was only one game in which any Laker scored in double-digits other than Kobe and Shaq, and that was the last game, #5, and they were Derek Fisher and Slava Medvedenko with 10 points each. Outside them, Shaq and Kobe were left to do almost all the scoring for the Lakers.

I suppose that would have worked but when the Pistons had numerous players averaging double-digit scoring, it won't help you win a darned thing.

LAKERS ....... PPG

S. O'Neal .... 26.6
K. Bryant .... 22.6
D. Fisher ...... 6.4
D. George .... 5.8
K. Malone ..... 5.0



PISTONS ....... PPG

R. Hamilton .... 21.4
C. Billups ....... 21.0
R. Wallace ..... 13.0
B. Wallace ..... 10.8
T. Prince ....... 10.0



LAKERS ....... RPG

S. O'Neal .... 10.8
K. Bryant .... 2.8
D. Fisher ...... 3.0
D. George .... 2.8
K. Malone ..... 7.3


PISTONS ....... RPG

R. Hamilton .... 5.2
C. Billups ....... 3.2
R. Wallace ..... 7.8
B. Wallace ..... 13.6
T. Prince ....... 6.8


LAKERS ....... APG

S. O'Neal .... 1.6
K. Bryant .... 4.4
D. Fisher ...... 1.8
D. George .... 0.6
K. Malone ..... 2.3


PISTONS ....... APG

R. Hamilton .... 4.0
C. Billups ....... 5.2
R. Wallace ..... 1.4
B. Wallace ..... 1.4
T. Prince ....... 2.0


Now, looking at the series stats above, generously provided by NBA.com, the Lakers were outscored, outrebounded, and outassisted. These are the clues to their loss, not fouls.



2. About fouls......when Kobe constantly chooses to shoot from outside, esp. jumpers, he won't get fouled. Simple as that. True, many fouls were not called on BOTH sides, but not enough to really affect the outcome of the game given the stats cited above. To harp on the foul-calling, or lack thereof, is just people too narrow-sighted to admit the Lakers were playing like a Jr. Varsity High School team instead of what was supposed to be the "one-of-the-greatest" teams ever assembled specifically to win the championship.......much liek the Yankees last year.
 
I think the Lakers should trade Shaq. The team will be dismantled anyhow and it's better to get something for him than nothing when he can opt out after next season. Could we see a possible return of Pat Riley to coach the Lakers? (just hearing some rumors)
 
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dahunan
Here are some more stats for y'all

The NBA just produced a "Lakers Dynasty DVD set" Kobe Bryant is not on the exterior of the box or any of the DVD cases.. The NBA does not want his face on anything until the trial is over... Could they also not want his face on the cover of SI holding up a Finals Trophy?

Kobe's free throws throughout the playoffs:

1st Round (5 games):
40-44

Semifinals (6 games):
30-41

Conference Finals (6 games):
42-56

Finals (4 games so far):
13-14
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Kobe has taken 92 shots in this FOUR GAME series and only 14 free throws
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Chauncey Billups has taken 52 shots in this FOUR GAME series and 34 free throws
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Kobe's stats for the 2 regular season games aganit Detroit 25 shots and 15 free throws.
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In the last 3 games Tayshaun Prince has played 132 minutes guarding Kobe and only has 4 total fouls (and I have watched him cry about every single one of them to the referees)
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Looking at those above stats can you tell me if anything would be different?
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Billups has shot the ball 40 times fewer than Kobe yet has 20 more free throws???

What about the regular season differences?

Do you honestly think it is possible for Tayshaun to play 132 minutes and only have 4 fouls?

Game 3 - Detroit never fouled Shaq when he had the ball. He went to the line after playing 35 minutes
Kobe was attacking the basket in game 3 - yet went to the line once.

Game 4 I guess Kobe was never fouled until late in the 4th quarter again.. right?

ONLY free throws of game 4 - 4th quarter
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

ONLY free throws of game 3
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws


Yet .. the Pistons have made a living in this series at the free throw line in this series - **if you think it is legit then live with it.
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THANK YOU SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE TAYSHAUN has been HOLDING KOBE OFF EVERY PICK and has not been called.

YEAH THATS RIGHT IM A LAKER AND KOBE FANBOY

KISS MY ARSE LAKER HATERS


TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA

*DODDODODODOD*
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Bwahaahahahahhah... Darkstar, you crack me up sometimes man... anyways, it's pretty obvious now that Shaq was the reason LA won 3 in a row... Kobe would not have won without Shaq, Shaq would have won without Kobe, it's that simple. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the fcking history of the NBA, where was he the last 3 games??? He was getting the ball batted off his face is where!
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here you go again w/your stupid overrated crap. when did shaq win a ring w/o kobe on his team?
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Are you retarded? Shaq won back to back to back NBA Finals MVP... Kobe couldn't have ridden the Shaqwagon any harder to his 3 rings... What did Kobe do this series? What did Shaq do? I rest my case.
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Go back and read my question again. Once you answer it correctly, post your answer. :roll:

While you are reading, here are some stats:
1999-2000
SHAQ's PPG: 29.7
KOBE's PPG: 22.5

2000-2001 year
SHAQ's PPG: 28.7
KOBE's PPG: 28.5

2001-2002 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.2
KOBE's PPG: 25.2

2002-2003 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.5
KOBE's PPG: 30.0

So Kobe had nothing to do with the Laker's success and championships eh? He just rode on Shaq's back?

Next time, argue with some facts instead of talking out of your ass. :roll:
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Where was Kobe during the NBA Finals? He sure as hell wasn't on the court. It's hard to draw fouls when all you do is shoot jumpers
 
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dahunan
Here are some more stats for y'all

The NBA just produced a "Lakers Dynasty DVD set" Kobe Bryant is not on the exterior of the box or any of the DVD cases.. The NBA does not want his face on anything until the trial is over... Could they also not want his face on the cover of SI holding up a Finals Trophy?

Kobe's free throws throughout the playoffs:

1st Round (5 games):
40-44

Semifinals (6 games):
30-41

Conference Finals (6 games):
42-56

Finals (4 games so far):
13-14
-------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Kobe has taken 92 shots in this FOUR GAME series and only 14 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------
Chauncey Billups has taken 52 shots in this FOUR GAME series and 34 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------
Kobe's stats for the 2 regular season games aganit Detroit 25 shots and 15 free throws.
-------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------
In the last 3 games Tayshaun Prince has played 132 minutes guarding Kobe and only has 4 total fouls (and I have watched him cry about every single one of them to the referees)
--------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------

Looking at those above stats can you tell me if anything would be different?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Billups has shot the ball 40 times fewer than Kobe yet has 20 more free throws???

What about the regular season differences?

Do you honestly think it is possible for Tayshaun to play 132 minutes and only have 4 fouls?

Game 3 - Detroit never fouled Shaq when he had the ball. He went to the line after playing 35 minutes
Kobe was attacking the basket in game 3 - yet went to the line once.

Game 4 I guess Kobe was never fouled until late in the 4th quarter again.. right?

ONLY free throws of game 4 - 4th quarter
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

ONLY free throws of game 3
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws


Yet .. the Pistons have made a living in this series at the free throw line in this series - **if you think it is legit then live with it.
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THANK YOU SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE TAYSHAUN has been HOLDING KOBE OFF EVERY PICK and has not been called.

YEAH THATS RIGHT IM A LAKER AND KOBE FANBOY

KISS MY ARSE LAKER HATERS


TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA

*DODDODODODOD*
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Bwahaahahahahhah... Darkstar, you crack me up sometimes man... anyways, it's pretty obvious now that Shaq was the reason LA won 3 in a row... Kobe would not have won without Shaq, Shaq would have won without Kobe, it's that simple. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the fcking history of the NBA, where was he the last 3 games??? He was getting the ball batted off his face is where!
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here you go again w/your stupid overrated crap. when did shaq win a ring w/o kobe on his team?
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Are you retarded? Shaq won back to back to back NBA Finals MVP... Kobe couldn't have ridden the Shaqwagon any harder to his 3 rings... What did Kobe do this series? What did Shaq do? I rest my case.
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Go back and read my question again. Once you answer it correctly, post your answer. :roll:

While you are reading, here are some stats:
1999-2000
SHAQ's PPG: 29.7
KOBE's PPG: 22.5

2000-2001 year
SHAQ's PPG: 28.7
KOBE's PPG: 28.5

2001-2002 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.2
KOBE's PPG: 25.2

2002-2003 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.5
KOBE's PPG: 30.0

So Kobe had nothing to do with the Laker's success and championships eh? He just rode on Shaq's back?

Next time, argue with some facts instead of talking out of your ass. :roll:
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LMAO! Regular season stats??? It doesn't mean sht if you do well in the regular season but then suck in the postseason! ahahahhahah Ok, now please post the PPG and RPG of the 3 championships they won, that would prove how hard Kobe rode Shaq to those rings...

Or how about this year: Shaq 26.6, and 10.8 (63.1 FG%)
Kobe 22.6, and 2.8 (38.1 FG%)
The only reason Kobe gets ANY looks is b/c of Shaq, he draws the defenders and dishes out Kobe. Any moron could tell you that. And you can whine all you want about Detroit focusing on Kobe, but my grandma could have gotten more than 2.8 boards a game... absolutely pathetic.

Lifetime stats for the postseason, Shaq demolishes Kobe:
Shaq - 158 games: 56.2 FG%, 27.2 ppg, 12.90 rpg, 3.1 assists, 2.60 blocks
Kobe - 119 games: 43.4 FG%, 22.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.4 assists, .75 blocks

You're lucky I couldn't find the stat for how many more times Shaq gets to the line than Kobe (although his 20% lower FT% would cancel that out).

Finally, do we have to bust out stats for Shaq's 3 consecutive MVP Finals as well? Had enough yet? lol
 
well, lakers had a great run. unfortunately they fell short, and due to many injuries, and no time to meld due to the injuries, lakers really had no chance.

maybe next year.

sigh 🙁


congratulations to the pistons and detroit, you guys really did deserve it.

much luck to all teams next yr! cya
 
Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Squisher
Well, it's obvious that Detroit can't hang with the Lakers. What are they even doing there. They are getting demolished. I feel so sad for them being the meat from the east.

😛
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Hey, hey hey iamme that was sarcasm. I posted that near the end of game one. I was parroting the laker fanboys.

Please don't lump in with them, I'll have to start crying every-time a foul gets called on the Lakers.

Plus too, I don't think I could stomach the smell coming off of Kobe's butt.
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Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: Squisher
Well, it's obvious that Detroit can't hang with the Lakers. What are they even doing there. They are getting demolished. I feel so sad for them being the meat from the east.

😛
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Hey, hey hey iamme that was sarcasm. I posted that near the end of game one. I was parroting the laker fanboys.

Please don't lump in with them, I'll have to start crying every-time a foul gets called on the Lakers.

Plus too, I don't think I could stomach the smell coming off of Kobe's butt.
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ah, my bad.

:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
 
Laker can go screw themselves and hell I live in LA. They play with no heart and never bring their game. I'm happy the Pistons raped em. They deserve it.
 
I think what is even worse is that Lakers just flat out gave up before the end of third quarter in a game they promised to win and had to win.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dahunan
Here are some more stats for y'all

The NBA just produced a "Lakers Dynasty DVD set" Kobe Bryant is not on the exterior of the box or any of the DVD cases.. The NBA does not want his face on anything until the trial is over... Could they also not want his face on the cover of SI holding up a Finals Trophy?

Kobe's free throws throughout the playoffs:

1st Round (5 games):
40-44

Semifinals (6 games):
30-41

Conference Finals (6 games):
42-56

Finals (4 games so far):
13-14
-------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Kobe has taken 92 shots in this FOUR GAME series and only 14 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------
Chauncey Billups has taken 52 shots in this FOUR GAME series and 34 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------
Kobe's stats for the 2 regular season games aganit Detroit 25 shots and 15 free throws.
-------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------
In the last 3 games Tayshaun Prince has played 132 minutes guarding Kobe and only has 4 total fouls (and I have watched him cry about every single one of them to the referees)
--------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------

Looking at those above stats can you tell me if anything would be different?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Billups has shot the ball 40 times fewer than Kobe yet has 20 more free throws???

What about the regular season differences?

Do you honestly think it is possible for Tayshaun to play 132 minutes and only have 4 fouls?

Game 3 - Detroit never fouled Shaq when he had the ball. He went to the line after playing 35 minutes
Kobe was attacking the basket in game 3 - yet went to the line once.

Game 4 I guess Kobe was never fouled until late in the 4th quarter again.. right?

ONLY free throws of game 4 - 4th quarter
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

ONLY free throws of game 3
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws


Yet .. the Pistons have made a living in this series at the free throw line in this series - **if you think it is legit then live with it.
Click to expand...

THANK YOU SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE TAYSHAUN has been HOLDING KOBE OFF EVERY PICK and has not been called.

YEAH THATS RIGHT IM A LAKER AND KOBE FANBOY

KISS MY ARSE LAKER HATERS


TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA

*DODDODODODOD*
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Bwahaahahahahhah... Darkstar, you crack me up sometimes man... anyways, it's pretty obvious now that Shaq was the reason LA won 3 in a row... Kobe would not have won without Shaq, Shaq would have won without Kobe, it's that simple. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the fcking history of the NBA, where was he the last 3 games??? He was getting the ball batted off his face is where!
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here you go again w/your stupid overrated crap. when did shaq win a ring w/o kobe on his team?
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Are you retarded? Shaq won back to back to back NBA Finals MVP... Kobe couldn't have ridden the Shaqwagon any harder to his 3 rings... What did Kobe do this series? What did Shaq do? I rest my case.
Click to expand...

Go back and read my question again. Once you answer it correctly, post your answer. :roll:

While you are reading, here are some stats:
1999-2000
SHAQ's PPG: 29.7
KOBE's PPG: 22.5

2000-2001 year
SHAQ's PPG: 28.7
KOBE's PPG: 28.5

2001-2002 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.2
KOBE's PPG: 25.2

2002-2003 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.5
KOBE's PPG: 30.0

So Kobe had nothing to do with the Laker's success and championships eh? He just rode on Shaq's back?

Next time, argue with some facts instead of talking out of your ass. :roll:
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LMAO! Regular season stats??? It doesn't mean sht if you do well in the regular season but then suck in the postseason! ahahahhahah Ok, now please post the PPG and RPG of the 3 championships they won, that would prove how hard Kobe rode Shaq to those rings...

Or how about this year: Shaq 26.6, and 10.8 (63.1 FG%)
Kobe 22.6, and 2.8 (38.1 FG%)
The only reason Kobe gets ANY looks is b/c of Shaq, he draws the defenders and dishes out Kobe. Any moron could tell you that. And you can whine all you want about Detroit focusing on Kobe, but my grandma could have gotten more than 2.8 boards a game... absolutely pathetic.

Lifetime stats for the postseason, Shaq demolishes Kobe:
Shaq - 158 games: 56.2 FG%, 27.2 ppg, 12.90 rpg, 3.1 assists, 2.60 blocks
Kobe - 119 games: 43.4 FG%, 22.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.4 assists, .75 blocks

You're lucky I couldn't find the stat for how many more times Shaq gets to the line than Kobe (although his 20% lower FT% would cancel that out).

Finally, do we have to bust out stats for Shaq's 3 consecutive MVP Finals as well? Had enough yet? lol
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You are an idiot.

Shaq's role is the center. it's his job to get boards and shoot the easy shot.

Kobe is a guard. He is outside the paint. How the hell do you get rebounds outside the paint w/Shaq in the middle?

They have completely different roles.

If Kobe was such a non-threat, why does every team doubleteam his ass?

So if Kobe sucks so much then how come every basketball analyst says otherwise? It's because you are an idiot.

HAHAAAAHHAAHHAAHAHAH

Now make an argument that is actually relevant and then maybe i'll bother to reply to your bitter ass.

Oh yeah, btw, here are your stats for the PLAYOFFS:

1999-2000
Shaq: 30.7 ppg
Kobe: 21.1 ppg

2000-2001
Shaq: 30.4 ppg
Kobe: 29.4 ppg

2001-2002
Shaq: 28.5 ppg
Kobe: 26.6 ppg

2002-2003
Shaq: 27.0 ppg
Kobe: 32.1 ppg

Now STFU before you hurt yourself again.
 
Such bitterness and jealousy from you Laker haters. It must suck knowing that our team absolutely DOMINATED the NBA in the past 5 seasons. Winning 3 out of 5 championships is not gonna be repeated, for a VERY LONG TIME. Making it to the finals 4/5 times is another amazing accomplishment. Making it to the finals this year, with such a haphazard team is also another accomplishment.

Kobe will be back next year, only the Lakers can pay him the big bucks remember. Why would he leave LA, when he will be paid LESS and WON'T have any chance of winning a championship? For freedom to play his game? gimme a break that's bs and you know it. Kobe has a family in LA, his wife grew up in Newport, why would he disrupt everything and move to another team. The Laker team needs a new coach and a new supporting cast for Shaq and Kobe. I heard there were talks of having Pat Riley come in to fill in the coaching job.
 
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Rufio
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dahunan
Here are some more stats for y'all

The NBA just produced a "Lakers Dynasty DVD set" Kobe Bryant is not on the exterior of the box or any of the DVD cases.. The NBA does not want his face on anything until the trial is over... Could they also not want his face on the cover of SI holding up a Finals Trophy?

Kobe's free throws throughout the playoffs:

1st Round (5 games):
40-44

Semifinals (6 games):
30-41

Conference Finals (6 games):
42-56

Finals (4 games so far):
13-14
-------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------
Kobe has taken 92 shots in this FOUR GAME series and only 14 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------
Chauncey Billups has taken 52 shots in this FOUR GAME series and 34 free throws
-------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------
Kobe's stats for the 2 regular season games aganit Detroit 25 shots and 15 free throws.
-------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------
In the last 3 games Tayshaun Prince has played 132 minutes guarding Kobe and only has 4 total fouls (and I have watched him cry about every single one of them to the referees)
--------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------

Looking at those above stats can you tell me if anything would be different?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Billups has shot the ball 40 times fewer than Kobe yet has 20 more free throws???

What about the regular season differences?

Do you honestly think it is possible for Tayshaun to play 132 minutes and only have 4 fouls?

Game 3 - Detroit never fouled Shaq when he had the ball. He went to the line after playing 35 minutes
Kobe was attacking the basket in game 3 - yet went to the line once.

Game 4 I guess Kobe was never fouled until late in the 4th quarter again.. right?

ONLY free throws of game 4 - 4th quarter
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

ONLY free throws of game 3
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws


Yet .. the Pistons have made a living in this series at the free throw line in this series - **if you think it is legit then live with it.
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THANK YOU SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE TAYSHAUN has been HOLDING KOBE OFF EVERY PICK and has not been called.

YEAH THATS RIGHT IM A LAKER AND KOBE FANBOY

KISS MY ARSE LAKER HATERS


TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA

*DODDODODODOD*
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Bwahaahahahahhah... Darkstar, you crack me up sometimes man... anyways, it's pretty obvious now that Shaq was the reason LA won 3 in a row... Kobe would not have won without Shaq, Shaq would have won without Kobe, it's that simple. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the fcking history of the NBA, where was he the last 3 games??? He was getting the ball batted off his face is where!
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here you go again w/your stupid overrated crap. when did shaq win a ring w/o kobe on his team?
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Are you retarded? Shaq won back to back to back NBA Finals MVP... Kobe couldn't have ridden the Shaqwagon any harder to his 3 rings... What did Kobe do this series? What did Shaq do? I rest my case.
Click to expand...

Go back and read my question again. Once you answer it correctly, post your answer. :roll:

While you are reading, here are some stats:
1999-2000
SHAQ's PPG: 29.7
KOBE's PPG: 22.5

2000-2001 year
SHAQ's PPG: 28.7
KOBE's PPG: 28.5

2001-2002 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.2
KOBE's PPG: 25.2

2002-2003 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.5
KOBE's PPG: 30.0

So Kobe had nothing to do with the Laker's success and championships eh? He just rode on Shaq's back?

Next time, argue with some facts instead of talking out of your ass. :roll:
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LMAO! Regular season stats??? It doesn't mean sht if you do well in the regular season but then suck in the postseason! ahahahhahah Ok, now please post the PPG and RPG of the 3 championships they won, that would prove how hard Kobe rode Shaq to those rings...

Or how about this year: Shaq 26.6, and 10.8 (63.1 FG%)
Kobe 22.6, and 2.8 (38.1 FG%)
The only reason Kobe gets ANY looks is b/c of Shaq, he draws the defenders and dishes out Kobe. Any moron could tell you that. And you can whine all you want about Detroit focusing on Kobe, but my grandma could have gotten more than 2.8 boards a game... absolutely pathetic.

Lifetime stats for the postseason, Shaq demolishes Kobe:
Shaq - 158 games: 56.2 FG%, 27.2 ppg, 12.90 rpg, 3.1 assists, 2.60 blocks
Kobe - 119 games: 43.4 FG%, 22.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.4 assists, .75 blocks

You're lucky I couldn't find the stat for how many more times Shaq gets to the line than Kobe (although his 20% lower FT% would cancel that out).

Finally, do we have to bust out stats for Shaq's 3 consecutive MVP Finals as well? Had enough yet? lol
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You are an idiot.

Shaq's role is the center. it's his job to get boards and shoot the easy shot.

Kobe is a guard. He is outside the paint. How the hell do you get rebounds outside the paint w/Shaq in the middle?

They have completely different roles.

If Kobe was such a non-threat, why does every team doubleteam his ass?

So if Kobe sucks so much then how come every basketball analyst says otherwise? It's because you are an idiot.

HAHAAAAHHAAHHAAHAHAH

Now make an argument that is actually relevant and then maybe i'll bother to reply to your bitter ass.

Oh yeah, btw, here are your stats for the PLAYOFFS:

1999-2000
Shaq: 30.7 ppg
Kobe: 21.1 ppg

2000-2001
Shaq: 30.4 ppg
Kobe: 29.4 ppg

2001-2002
Shaq: 28.5 ppg
Kobe: 26.6 ppg

2002-2003
Shaq: 27.0 ppg
Kobe: 32.1 ppg

Now STFU before you hurt yourself again.
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Thanks for proving my point dumass! Shaq scored more than Kobe for all 3 championships, and probably stomped him in rebounds as well (which is why u didn't post it, only points, you're forgetting about blocked shots and FG% buddy). Teams double team SHAQ, NOT KOBE. It's HACK A SHAQ, not HACK A KOBE. Shaq scored all of those points in the playoffs through double teams, not Kobe. They had to double Shaq b/c no way in hell anyone could stop him. Who on Indiana, Philly, or NJ could guard Shaq straight up in those series? Do you even watch the NBA before you open your yap? Hell, Shaq's been putting up MVP numbers since Kobe's early years of shooting airballs in the playoffs and getting booed by his own (now converted like you) fans.

Shaq>Kobe, and it showed this series. When Phil said "Get the ball to Shaq, he's dominating them", Kobe just took off balance 20 footers because HE HAD TO BE DA MAN. Now, he's the CHUMP. Everyone will remember his selfish play in this series, and thank God the dumbass comparisons to MJ have stopped.

The lesson of the day = Shaq> (Kobe = CHUMP). Nobody wants Kobe on their team, he's a cancer now.
Oh, I'm not done with you yet Laker fanboy.

Maybe you don't read ESPN too much, but let's edumacate ya. From here:

"Q: What can the Lakers do this summer?
A: Trade Kobe. It's time. Send him to the Clippers for Maggette, Wilcox and two No. 1s. Send him to the Grizzlies for Miller, Battier, Swift and draft picks. Send him to the Suns for Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion and the No. 7 pick. Send him to Orlando for McGrady. Send him to Boston for Pierce and two No. 1s. Just do something."

or

"I just think Tayshaun Prince deserved the trophy this time around. Did you ever think you would see Kobe struggle like that? Even when he went 14 for 27 in Game 2, 10 of those makes were circus shots. Do you realize Kobe shot 29 for 86 in the four Lakers losses? That he shot 25 free throws all series? How was Tayshaun not the MVP? The Lakers only had two good players and Detroit shut down one of them. No way the Pistons win without Prince."

or

"Put it this way: Either Kobe's bum shoulder was more banged up than anyone realized, or his stock dropped BIG TIME in this series. No way MJ goes that quietly in his prime. No way MJ launches that many ghastly shots. No way MJ wastes a 36-20 effort from Shaq. No way MJ stands around as the Pistons keep grabbing offensive rebounds. It just wouldn't happen. I think we can put a moratorium on the "Kobe vs. MJ" stuff for awhile."

What's your excuse now? Get out of the kitchen.
 
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Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dahunan
Here are some more stats for y'all

The NBA just produced a "Lakers Dynasty DVD set" Kobe Bryant is not on the exterior of the box or any of the DVD cases.. The NBA does not want his face on anything until the trial is over... Could they also not want his face on the cover of SI holding up a Finals Trophy?

Kobe's free throws throughout the playoffs:

1st Round (5 games):
40-44

Semifinals (6 games):
30-41

Conference Finals (6 games):
42-56

Finals (4 games so far):
13-14
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Kobe has taken 92 shots in this FOUR GAME series and only 14 free throws
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Chauncey Billups has taken 52 shots in this FOUR GAME series and 34 free throws
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Kobe's stats for the 2 regular season games aganit Detroit 25 shots and 15 free throws.
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In the last 3 games Tayshaun Prince has played 132 minutes guarding Kobe and only has 4 total fouls (and I have watched him cry about every single one of them to the referees)
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Looking at those above stats can you tell me if anything would be different?
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Billups has shot the ball 40 times fewer than Kobe yet has 20 more free throws???

What about the regular season differences?

Do you honestly think it is possible for Tayshaun to play 132 minutes and only have 4 fouls?

Game 3 - Detroit never fouled Shaq when he had the ball. He went to the line after playing 35 minutes
Kobe was attacking the basket in game 3 - yet went to the line once.

Game 4 I guess Kobe was never fouled until late in the 4th quarter again.. right?

ONLY free throws of game 4 - 4th quarter
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
2:14 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws

ONLY free throws of game 3
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:30 LAL Kobe Bryant made 2nd of 2 Free Throws


Yet .. the Pistons have made a living in this series at the free throw line in this series - **if you think it is legit then live with it.
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THANK YOU SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE TAYSHAUN has been HOLDING KOBE OFF EVERY PICK and has not been called.

YEAH THATS RIGHT IM A LAKER AND KOBE FANBOY

KISS MY ARSE LAKER HATERS


TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA

*DODDODODODOD*
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Bwahaahahahahhah... Darkstar, you crack me up sometimes man... anyways, it's pretty obvious now that Shaq was the reason LA won 3 in a row... Kobe would not have won without Shaq, Shaq would have won without Kobe, it's that simple. Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the fcking history of the NBA, where was he the last 3 games??? He was getting the ball batted off his face is where!
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here you go again w/your stupid overrated crap. when did shaq win a ring w/o kobe on his team?
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Are you retarded? Shaq won back to back to back NBA Finals MVP... Kobe couldn't have ridden the Shaqwagon any harder to his 3 rings... What did Kobe do this series? What did Shaq do? I rest my case.
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Go back and read my question again. Once you answer it correctly, post your answer. :roll:

While you are reading, here are some stats:
1999-2000
SHAQ's PPG: 29.7
KOBE's PPG: 22.5

2000-2001 year
SHAQ's PPG: 28.7
KOBE's PPG: 28.5

2001-2002 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.2
KOBE's PPG: 25.2

2002-2003 year
SHAQ's PPG: 27.5
KOBE's PPG: 30.0

So Kobe had nothing to do with the Laker's success and championships eh? He just rode on Shaq's back?

Next time, argue with some facts instead of talking out of your ass. :roll:
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LMAO! Regular season stats??? It doesn't mean sht if you do well in the regular season but then suck in the postseason! ahahahhahah Ok, now please post the PPG and RPG of the 3 championships they won, that would prove how hard Kobe rode Shaq to those rings...

Or how about this year: Shaq 26.6, and 10.8 (63.1 FG%)
Kobe 22.6, and 2.8 (38.1 FG%)
The only reason Kobe gets ANY looks is b/c of Shaq, he draws the defenders and dishes out Kobe. Any moron could tell you that. And you can whine all you want about Detroit focusing on Kobe, but my grandma could have gotten more than 2.8 boards a game... absolutely pathetic.

Lifetime stats for the postseason, Shaq demolishes Kobe:
Shaq - 158 games: 56.2 FG%, 27.2 ppg, 12.90 rpg, 3.1 assists, 2.60 blocks
Kobe - 119 games: 43.4 FG%, 22.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 4.4 assists, .75 blocks

You're lucky I couldn't find the stat for how many more times Shaq gets to the line than Kobe (although his 20% lower FT% would cancel that out).

Finally, do we have to bust out stats for Shaq's 3 consecutive MVP Finals as well? Had enough yet? lol
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You are an idiot.

Shaq's role is the center. it's his job to get boards and shoot the easy shot.

Kobe is a guard. He is outside the paint. How the hell do you get rebounds outside the paint w/Shaq in the middle?

They have completely different roles.

If Kobe was such a non-threat, why does every team doubleteam his ass?

So if Kobe sucks so much then how come every basketball analyst says otherwise? It's because you are an idiot.

HAHAAAAHHAAHHAAHAHAH

Now make an argument that is actually relevant and then maybe i'll bother to reply to your bitter ass.

Oh yeah, btw, here are your stats for the PLAYOFFS:

1999-2000
Shaq: 30.7 ppg
Kobe: 21.1 ppg

2000-2001
Shaq: 30.4 ppg
Kobe: 29.4 ppg

2001-2002
Shaq: 28.5 ppg
Kobe: 26.6 ppg

2002-2003
Shaq: 27.0 ppg
Kobe: 32.1 ppg

Now STFU before you hurt yourself again.
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Thanks for proving my point dumass! Shaq scored more than Kobe for all 3 championships, and probably stomped him in rebounds as well (which is why u didn't post it, only points, you're forgetting about blocked shots and FG% buddy). Teams double team SHAQ, NOT KOBE. It's HACK A SHAQ, not HACK A KOBE. Shaq scored all of those points in the playoffs through double teams, not Kobe. They had to double Shaq b/c no way in hell anyone could stop him. Who on Indiana, Philly, or NJ could guard Shaq straight up in those series? Do you even watch the NBA before you open your yap? Hell, Shaq's been putting up MVP numbers since Kobe's early years of shooting airballs in the playoffs and getting booed by his own (now converted like you) fans.

Shaq>Kobe, and it showed this series. When Phil said "Get the ball to Shaq, he's dominating them", Kobe just took off balance 20 footers because HE HAD TO BE DA MAN. Now, he's the CHUMP. Everyone will remember his selfish play in this series, and thank God the dumbass comparisons to MJ have stopped.

The lesson of the day = Shaq> (Kobe = CHUMP). Nobody wants Kobe on their team, he's a cancer now.
Oh, I'm not done with you yet Laker fanboy.

Maybe you don't read ESPN too much, but let's edumacate ya. From here:

"Q: What can the Lakers do this summer?
A: Trade Kobe. It's time. Send him to the Clippers for Maggette, Wilcox and two No. 1s. Send him to the Grizzlies for Miller, Battier, Swift and draft picks. Send him to the Suns for Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion and the No. 7 pick. Send him to Orlando for McGrady. Send him to Boston for Pierce and two No. 1s. Just do something."

or

"I just think Tayshaun Prince deserved the trophy this time around. Did you ever think you would see Kobe struggle like that? Even when he went 14 for 27 in Game 2, 10 of those makes were circus shots. Do you realize Kobe shot 29 for 86 in the four Lakers losses? That he shot 25 free throws all series? How was Tayshaun not the MVP? The Lakers only had two good players and Detroit shut down one of them. No way the Pistons win without Prince."

or

"Put it this way: Either Kobe's bum shoulder was more banged up than anyone realized, or his stock dropped BIG TIME in this series. No way MJ goes that quietly in his prime. No way MJ launches that many ghastly shots. No way MJ wastes a 36-20 effort from Shaq. No way MJ stands around as the Pistons keep grabbing offensive rebounds. It just wouldn't happen. I think we can put a moratorium on the "Kobe vs. MJ" stuff for awhile."

What's your excuse now? Get out of the kitchen.
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You're the dumbass for changing your own argument.

I never said that Shaq was better than Kobe.

You were the one who argued that Kobe was overrated.

I simply proved he was not. Look at his numbers.

Don't try and change the argument when it's clear that you lost.

But you want to argue that? OK fine.

Let's go ahead and see what Bill Simmons, the exact same ESPN reporter you have been quoting, has to say about KObe and SHaq.

An Article for you to read

"Who wants to watch the two best players in the world share the spotlight on the same basketball team?"

So the exact same reporter you have been quoting proves MY point.

Shaq is great. Kobe is great.

I already admitted in this thread that Lakers sucked in the Finals series, and i already gave props to the Pistons. As a Laker fan, I can admit when the Lakers get spanked by the better team. But in no way is Kobe overrated.

Show us how Kobe is overrated? Go to any coach on the NBA, and ask if they want Kobe. I bet you almost all of them would pick him up in 1 split second (other than the trial bull crap).

Here's another thread for you to read about Kobe and Shaq.

How does it feel to be OWNED over and over?
 
Originally posted by: slycat
I ABSOLUTELY celebrate the Laker loss. When u got no heart, the rest don't matter.
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that is so true, you could tell they didn't want it at all... The Pistons had some much heart!
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Such bitterness and jealousy from you Laker haters. It must suck knowing that our team absolutely DOMINATED the NBA in the past 5 seasons. Winning 3 out of 5 championships is not gonna be repeated, for a VERY LONG TIME. Making it to the finals 4/5 times is another amazing accomplishment. Making it to the finals this year, with such a haphazard team is also another accomplishment.

Kobe will be back next year, only the Lakers can pay him the big bucks remember. Why would he leave LA, when he will be paid LESS and WON'T have any chance of winning a championship? For freedom to play his game? gimme a break that's bs and you know it. Kobe has a family in LA, his wife grew up in Newport, why would he disrupt everything and move to another team. The Laker team needs a new coach and a new supporting cast for Shaq and Kobe. I heard there were talks of having Pat Riley come in to fill in the coaching job.
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You just spout the same stuff over and over. Sure it's a good accomplishment, but don't get too ahead of yourself. Many sportswriters are already stating that this laker team is probably one of the most overrated in nba history.

And who knows what will happen next year. You said Kobe wouldn't want to leave LA, well that's why there are so many trade rumors about the Clippers. Being a laker fan, it seems like you would know a little more as to why Kobe would want to leave. These last 5 years we've all had to put up with his bitching and selfish attitude in regards to playing with Shaq. Sure it might help that Phil will probably be gone, but Kobe will not reach his peak if he's playing in the shadow of Shaq, and he knows that.
 
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