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piledriver pre-order pricing

ExarKun333 said:
Waiting for benchmarks...
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Not likely good given the stealth launch, unfortunately. At 4GHz, the top bin should provide ~10% better performance @ stock. Big question whether it will overclock higher and what the power curve will look like.
 
Ajay said:
Not likely good given the stealth launch, unfortunately. At 4GHz, the top bin should provide ~10% better performance @ stock. Big question whether it will overclock higher and what the power curve will look like.
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Agreed. I will have to wait for NDA to lift to decide if this is decent or not. Plus a full review on power consumption and OC ability too. Not too much longer...
 
These better be at least 10% faster per clock, overclock better, and consume less power for that price. Why would I buy Piledriver when I can get the FX 8120 for $140-$160?
 
At least they havent hyped it up the wazoo like they did with BD. So if its not a major improvement, it will get a meh from me. Whereas, because BD was so hyped when AMD knew quite well how much it sucked, it got a worse rep than it perhaps deserved.

EDIT: I'd be very interested to hear what the AMD execs think about the damage that BD did to the AMD brand. I wonder if any lessons were learned - you know how execs and managerial types can be slow to learn sometimes.

Oh to be a fly on the wall in a post BD briefing...

and also a fly on the wall at the party Intel no doubt held.
 
LoneNinja said:
These better be at least 10% faster per clock, overclock better, and consume less power for that price. Why would I buy Piledriver when I can get the FX 8120 for $140-$160?
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That's a good point. Plus you can often get $30-50 off a MB with that same 8120 today. This is almost 2x as much for a small bump in clock speed and minimal (most likely IPC gain).

AMD has done an interesting job in replacing 'old' products with significantly more expensive, barely-better performing options.
 
I would never pre-order a processor of any type without first seeing reputable benchmarks and reviews.

Message board posts from Tiawan need not apply.

Getting excited over something that you have no indication of quality on? No thank you.
 
LoneNinja said:
These better be at least 10% faster per clock, overclock better, and consume less power for that price. Why would I buy Piledriver when I can get the FX 8120 for $140-$160?
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What I have heard is that PD will be able to provide ~10% higher performance at low power (probably for servers) or ~10% higher clocks at higher TDPs (for desktops). Not quite sure how that works out, but I haven't given it any thought yet. Seem like PD will be a waste of money for DT users, unless it overclocks like mad.

I'm more interested in seeing how Steamroller works out, but I imagine so is AMD. PD is just a filler product for markets other than those targeted by Trinity. Having had a chance to read articles about the chaos occurring within AMD between Meyer's departure and Read's arrival, it's not surprising that PD is just a mild 'tick'.
 
The prices are jacked up as usual prior to launch. FX8350 will be a decent successor to FX8150,at stock at least. OCing may provide a bit better results but nothing earth shattering. Maybe 5% better OCs on air cooling (vs 8150) and 5-6% higher IPC. All in all ~10% better performance vs "old" FX when both overclocked to the max. Power draw is still unknown,I'd guess on par with FX8150 (both at stock).
 
LoneNinja said:
These better be at least 10% faster per clock, overclock better, and consume less power for that price. Why would I buy Piledriver when I can get the FX 8120 for $140-$160?
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Why would you get an 8120 when you can get a sempron 130 for 30$ and get better [performance 😉
 
Smoblikat said:
Why would you get an 8120 when you can get a sempron 130 for 30$ and get better [performance 😉
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You aint joking!!!

AT stock my SandyBridge G850 Dual cores Beats the 8120 at stock!!!!!

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html

"It turns out that the budget-oriented Sandy Bridge-based Pentium family performs very well in games. Specifically, Intel's $70 Pentium G630 beat the FX-4100, -6100, and -8120 in our recent sub-$200 CPU gaming"

The Sand Bridge architecture blows away the BD design and you can feel the difference in games and everything.
 
Ajay said:
Not likely good given the stealth launch, unfortunately.
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not sure what you can imply from how much leakage there is at launch. BD had a leaky launch and a lot of hoopla... look how well that went.

It's good to hope, but nobody is really expecting stupendous single threaded performance are they? I mean may as good or slightly better than the old Phenom II? Wheeee!
 
My guess is ~5-10% better IPC in some situations, nearly the same IPC in others. Better power consumption all around, though. Just a guess.
 
eternalone said:
You aint joking!!!

AT stock my SandyBridge G850 Dual cores Beats the 8120 at stock!!!!!

Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html

"It turns out that the budget-oriented Sandy Bridge-based Pentium family performs very well in games. Specifically, Intel's $70 Pentium G630 beat the FX-4100, -6100, and -8120 in our recent sub-$200 CPU gaming"

The Sand Bridge architecture blows away the BD design and you can feel the difference in games and everything.
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IIRC you cannot OC that G630. On the other hand you can OC 4xxx/6xxx series of chips to ~4.4-4.8Ghz on air cooling. Difference between Pentium and 4100 both at stock is around 8% in min and avg fps. OCing the FX4100 easily brings you much more than 8%(~25-30% over stock is common), so you are better of with this chip.
 
inf64 said:
IIRC you cannot OC that G630. On the other hand you can OC 4xxx/6xxx series of chips to ~4.4-4.8Ghz on air cooling. Difference between Pentium and 4100 both at stock is around 8% in min and avg fps. OCing the FX4100 easily brings you much more than 8%(~25-30% over stock is common), so you are better of with this chip.
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Thats not the point, the point is that at stock a $69 processor Dual Core Sandy Bridge Architecture cpu can beat a 8 core BD cpu just by having a better design structure. This shouldt be the case at all at stock all, AMD cpu's should be able to beat a SB pentium model clock for clock at stock. This shows how flawed the BD design is.
 
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