Picking a subwoofer(s) is hard...

[Specop 007]

Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

This man knows what's up.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Is two subs really worth it though? I think at that point you hit the wall of diminishing returns.

You should aim for the Paradigm Servo-15 sub. The technology in that is amazing, especially if you are an EE who will learn control systems.

They have an accelerometer that measures the acceleration of the cone and feeds that back into a control system. This allows the sub to hit an insanely low 13Hz.

Not sure what hte price for it is...you may need to sell a kidney...which is fair considering that sub could possibly damage one anyway.

Haha, wow, 13Hz, I had no idea it went that low! :Q

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Is two subs really worth it though? I think at that point you hit the wall of diminishing returns.

You should aim for the Paradigm Servo-15 sub. The technology in that is amazing, especially if you are an EE who will learn control systems.

They have an accelerometer that measures the acceleration of the cone and feeds that back into a control system. This allows the sub to hit an insanely low 13Hz.

Not sure what hte price for it is...you may need to sell a kidney...which is fair considering that sub could possibly damage one anyway.

Haha, wow, 13Hz, I had no idea it went that low! :Q

Any sub can hit 13Hz. It just matters how loud it is at that frequency and whether or not it'll be damaged.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I've got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60's and an HK AVR 335 receiver to drive them, now I need to figure out what I'm going to do for my subwoofer(s).

Right now just to get a reference point I'm using my parents' JBL PB12 that we've had for 5-6 years or so IIRC.

First, I was looking at this: http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow2.cfm
Then I was also looking at the STF-3: http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/

I'm not too worried about the frequency response of the subwoofer since I'll be watching a lot of movies and most of my music doesn't involve lots of pipe organs or anything hitting pretty low notes and so I'm looking to see if I can save a little money compared to spending $825 on the SVS subwoofer.

My main issue is that I have to power quite a bit of area, this is all in a 14 by 34 foot room with an 8.5 foot ceiling. The single JBL PB12 isn't enough power even with it's turned up pretty high.

I might look around for this slightly used: http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow3.cfm

Anyone have any advice what I should look for? I have no issue getting 2 subwoofers that are $250-$300 each at all, they do need to push a nice amount of air though. I might end up getting the SVS 25-31 PC+ unless I can find some other kind of better deal.

Over 4000 cubic foot room and $600 budget is not that easy unless you DIY. Can you do an infinite baffle?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

that's true, customs are awesome

 

[Viper GTS]

$600 budget is really going to limit you.

And I mean REALLY limit.

Know anybody with the tools/knowledge for DIY?

My DIY Sonosub cost me more than that (not a lot more) & it's relatively low end. You could go a little cheaper than I did if you get a plate amp rather than a rack mount but you're still looking at a lot of money to do it right.

Viper GTS

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

that's true, customs are awesome

Absolutely. If you have decent knowledge, or get proper help, a DIY sub will smash ANY out of the box sub in the same price point. You'd have to spend exponentially more for an out of the box system to do what a DIY system can do.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

that's true, customs are awesome

Absolutely. If you have decent knowledge, or get proper help, a DIY sub will smash ANY out of the box sub in the same price point. You'd have to spend exponentially more for an out of the box system to do what a DIY system can do.

my brother made a custom cabinet for the sub in his car, and just by optimizing that, it improved the performance of the sub quite a bit

 

[Pacfanweb]

Have you listened to an M&K sub? Most excellent.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
And for your answer, Yes, I probably DO know at least as much about making something as simple as a damned subwoofer enclosure as those engineers.

*EDIT*

Actually, let me clarify that. I used to. Probably not anymore, I havent been involved in the audio scene in some time.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

that's true, customs are awesome

Absolutely. If you have decent knowledge, or get proper help, a DIY sub will smash ANY out of the box sub in the same price point. You'd have to spend exponentially more for an out of the box system to do what a DIY system can do.

This is, of course, given the value of your time = $0. If you make $500 per hour, buying will probably be much cheaper.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

There really isn't ALL that much to know, there's simply a huge profit margin on retail speakers/subs.

DIY will sound better at the same price point, though it may not look as perfect (unless you're good with tools, or know someone who is).

As already mentioned though it's the option for people who have more time than money. If money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
And for your answer, Yes, I probably DO know at least as much about making something as simple as a damned subwoofer enclosure as those engineers.

I'm not talking about just the act of cutting the wood or whatever material you choose to use and putting it together.
I was referring to the actual design and how they come up with the shape, size, amp specs, driver specs, ported or not, etc.
Sure, anyone can build a box and buy a driver and amp for it. But unless you simply get lucky, there's no way that's going to be as good as a high-quality production unit.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

that's true, customs are awesome

Absolutely. If you have decent knowledge, or get proper help, a DIY sub will smash ANY out of the box sub in the same price point. You'd have to spend exponentially more for an out of the box system to do what a DIY system can do.

This is, of course, given the value of your time = $0. If you make $500 per hour, buying will probably be much cheaper.

True, but hobbies are always a labor of love.

If Mr. Jackass Smarty Pants Pacfan wants to have a good time he should try designing a custom mids/highs setup.
Yes, that can get to be a royal pain in the ass. Matching drivers, impedances, crossover points, changes in points, designing the crossover, choosing the type, the slopes, the points, deciding on what brands to use....Oi....

Subs are a walk in the park compared to a designing a custom component set.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Viper GTSIf money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

Count me in. That's what I want. :thumbsup:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Viper GTSIf money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

Count me in. That's what I want. :thumbsup:

Definately.

 

[Viper GTS]

BTW nobody is suggesting doing all the really hard work yourself.

My Tempest Sonosub was based off an Adire reference design.

Of course the company knows what they're doing, that's why I followed their specs.

They even have exact plans for enclosures.

All the necessary info is out there, the only real DIY part is the construction.

Viper GTS

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Viper GTSIf money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

Count me in. That's what I want. :thumbsup:

Definately.

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for doing stuff yourself, but for someone who obviously doesn't know that much about it, they're better off buying than building unless they have a friend who's "constructionally inclined".

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Absolutely. If you have decent knowledge, or get proper help, a DIY sub will smash ANY out of the box sub in the same price point. You'd have to spend exponentially more for an out of the box system to do what a DIY system can do.

This is, of course, given the value of your time = $0. If you make $500 per hour, buying will probably be much cheaper.

True, but hobbies are always a labor of love.

I definitely agree. It's just the value of time is a point often missed in these comparisons. I guess it's just my old age talking.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Viper GTSIf money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

Count me in. That's what I want. :thumbsup:

Definately.

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for doing stuff yourself, but for someone who obviously doesn't know that much about it, they're better off buying than building unless they have a friend who's "constructionally inclined".

I would tend to agree. But really, the hardest part is brand selection and box specs. Obviously box specs are determined by brand selection. But once you have those its pretty straightforward. And I know I, and many other members here, could recommend a sub or two and an amp or two and give him the specs for the box to use. And if he doesnt trust us, as stated above some manufacturers will even give you the specs to use so all you do is follow the directions. In that case, if you can make cookies you can make a hom sub setup.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

If money were no object every sub geek would have a parthenon (or several) under their house + custom built chambers for it to play with.

Viper GTS

No, I would not. Unless it were for the cool factor.

But I have something else in mind that equals it.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Piss on that SVS (Or any other brand) canned stuff.

Build your own.

Yeah, I'm sure you probably know more than the engineers at companies who do nothing but design speakers for a living.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
And for your answer, Yes, I probably DO know at least as much about making something as simple as a damned subwoofer enclosure as those engineers.

I'm not talking about just the act of cutting the wood or whatever material you choose to use and putting it together.
I was referring to the actual design and how they come up with the shape, size, amp specs, driver specs, ported or not, etc.
Sure, anyone can build a box and buy a driver and amp for it. But unless you simply get lucky, there's no way that's going to be as good as a high-quality production unit.

You make it sound so difficult. Sizing the box (shape doesn't matter except that it slightly affects stiffness) is easily done with a box simulating program. With a little knowledge of how the room will affect the response, you can easily put together something that works very well.

EDIT: ABB, that bastard, went offline right after I sent him PMs loaded with info.

 

[Howard]

wtf repost