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Craig234

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My RX 580 GPU somehow got fried. I don't think it's under warranty - it was shipped as an RMA over 2 years ago - so I probably need a new one. I have a nice Acer 34" freesync monitor, which pretty much limits me to AMD. 5700 XT is recommended. This is to go with an older Intel i7-4790, and ASRock Extreme6.

Gaming Nexus ranked them, and said XFX has the word, the best is gigabyte and Sapphire. Sapphire is looking a little better side by side. There are two on Amazon $50 apart, it's hard to tell the difference - only the ports?

Amazon.com: Sapphire 11293-01-20G Radeon Pulse RX 5700 Xt 8GB GDDR6 HDMI/ Triple DP OC w/ Backplate (UEFI) PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card: Computers & Accessories

Buy Sapphire 11293-01-20G Radeon Pulse RX 5700 Xt 8GB GDDR6 HDMI/ Triple DP OC w/ Backplate (UEFI) PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card: Graphics Cards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
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Amazon.com: Sapphire 11293-03-40G Radeon Nitro+ Rx 5700 Xt 8GB GDDR6 Dual HDMI/ Dual DP OC (UEFI) PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card: Computers & Accessories

Buy Sapphire 11293-03-40G Radeon Nitro+ Rx 5700 Xt 8GB GDDR6 Dual HDMI/ Dual DP OC (UEFI) PCIe 4.0 Graphics Card: Graphics Cards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
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Jaskalas said:
Re: The RX 570 option, it appears to be 20% behind the 580 | 1060 in terms of performance.

At 1080p I wouldn't necessarily want lower performance than what I already get. Let alone for 1440p.

So use it to tide you over and wait if you want, just be aware of what to expect.
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20 percent seems excessive, its closer to 10-15%. An easy sacrifice considering the pricing of all three cards and the current GPU situation. Plus it plays most games on 1080p with all the bells and whistles

And with the consoles establishing a new baseline soon, RDNA2, the 5600XT slotting downwards later and nvidia's descent into 7nm+ it'll hold good for a while before a true successor. Better not spend that extra and hold on.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
What better new card are you getting for $400 this year though? We only know Big Navi is coming. Otherwise it'll just likely be rebrands from AMD lower in their product stack. As for Nvidia, we don't know if there will even be 7nm gaming cards this year, Ampere could be just for HPC. And if there are, I bet it'll be 70 series and up, which means $500 and up most likely.
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Here we go again with the Nvidia might not release gaming cards this year. ...jeeeez.
 
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Glo. said:
Because they aren't. The only GPU they are releaseing are based on GA100 chip. Which is HPC chip, and will land in next supercomputer, alongside AMD EPYC CPUs.
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Which as always will be followed by a new gaming GPU .
The prosumer Ampere cards are ready as we speak
 
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happy medium said:
Which as always will be followed by a new gaming GPU .
The prosumer Ampere cards are ready as we speak
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The prosumer Ampere cards are based on GA100 chip. The lineup based on GA100 is exactly the same as it was based on GV100. There were no GTX cards however based on GV100.

Quadro, Tesla, Titan A. All based on the single GA100 chip that Nvidia designed as a GV100 replacement. But no GTX/RTX cards, again.

GTX/RTX cards are based on completely different architecture, and that architecture will not be released for upcoming 10-12 months.
 
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happy medium said:
wccftech.com

NVIDIA's Next-Gen GPU Is Up To 75% Faster Than Current-Gen - Will Be Deployed in Big Red 200 Supercomputer This Summer

NVIDIA's Next-Gen 'Ampere' GPUs which will be featured in the BIg Red 200 supercomputer are up to 75% faster than existing chips.
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75% in which specific AI workload and how does it automatically translate to 50% raster performance on the consumer end? Do you know something everyone else doesn't? Or are you just basing your 'mark my words' against the the obvious node benefits?
 
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Ottonomous said:
75% in which specific AI workload and how does it automatically translate to 50% raster performance on the consumer end? Do you know something everyone else doesn't? Or are you just basing your 'mark my words' against the the obvious node benefits?
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They are projecting 50% better performance.
I was being conservative saying 40%.
They talk more about consumer cards at the end of the article.
 
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On another site, I saw an article:

"Team Red's CEO, Lisa Su has stated that higher-end Navi-based cards are "on track," and that the company will "have a rich 7nm portfolio beyond the products that we have currently announced in the upcoming quarters." We're also awaiting the official arrival of the Radeon RX 5600, which looks to compete with Nvidia's 1660 Super and 1660 Ti.

So it seems likely that we can expect a fairly wide Navi product stack. Mainstream parts are already replacing the aging Polaris architecture, and we may see enthusiast cards that are significantly more powerful than the current Radeon RX 5700XT. It looks like Nvidia will soon have more and better competition on the GPU front than it's had in years."

For what that's worth.
 
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AMD's RX 5700xt is your best option right now. It's the best performance per value card, meaning for such a sweet price spot there is no better GPU. If you want a faster card you have to basically go 2 tiers higher into the 2080super if you want a decent performance increase, otherwise the 2070super is barely 7-9%faster overall for $100 more and in some games like F1 2019, BF5, Forza 4, etc... the RX 5700xt either ties or wins.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
So they're talking about an HPC card, specifically a Volta replacement.
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And........
www.pcmag.com

Report: Nvidia RTX 3080 Cards Launch June 2020

We should expect the 7nm Ampere architecture to be announced in March followed by the first RTX 30 cards over the summer months.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com

"What follows is the inevitable introduction of RTX 30 cards and a new range of GPUs and graphics cards carrying the name RTX 3080. Apparently Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is very confident of the lead the existing RTX 2080 cards hold in the market, so the first high-end RTX 3080 and mid-range RTX 3070 cards aren't expected to launch until June 2020., After that, Nvidia will spend several months launching new cards to slowly replace its mid and low-end cards. At some point an RTX 3080 Ti card is sure to appear."

That is exactly how it will happen, the only thing that might change the release is AMD's
Big Navi cards.
 
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Don't believe unnecessary hype of Nvidia GPUs being released. All we will see this year is Turing refresh, and RDNA2 GPUs, that refreshes the RDNA GPU lineup, as well. What this will make is lower the prices on Navi 10 and Navi 14 GPUs.

But none of the new high-end GPUs from Nvidia nor from AMD fits the budget that OP has.
 
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happy medium said:
And........
www.pcmag.com

Report: Nvidia RTX 3080 Cards Launch June 2020

We should expect the 7nm Ampere architecture to be announced in March followed by the first RTX 30 cards over the summer months.
www.pcmag.com www.pcmag.com

"What follows is the inevitable introduction of RTX 30 cards and a new range of GPUs and graphics cards carrying the name RTX 3080. Apparently Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang is very confident of the lead the existing RTX 2080 cards hold in the market, so the first high-end RTX 3080 and mid-range RTX 3070 cards aren't expected to launch until June 2020., After that, Nvidia will spend several months launching new cards to slowly replace its mid and low-end cards. At some point an RTX 3080 Ti card is sure to appear."

That is exactly how it will happen, the only thing that might change the release is AMD's
Big Navi cards.
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Did you ever buy the reasonably priced 2070 or are you angling for the 3060 at 400-500 USD now? I am guessing the 3080 will supplant the 2080 Ti, the 3070+ or the mythical TA103/4's lesser the 2080, etc

Edit: typo, TU103 instead of TA104, assuming that ampere isn't exclusively HPC and that Ariel and Hopper are consumer non-MCM parts
 
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ZGR said:
I love the 1080 ti, but let it die. RX 5700 XT will provide essentially identical performance at a cheaper price. And shoot, I got the GTX 1070 at launch and my PC would freeze when idle for the first few months. Oh and the crazy high audio latency issue as well.... Took awhile to get fixed. Still loved my 1070.
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Ehm no.Depends what you playing i guess.But if you mix older games/or even new games that dont have driver optimization from AMD with some new games then 1080Ti is around 15% faster average.In crysis3 which is AMD game btw 1080TI is 55% faster than 5700xt(both oc).But yeah in some games(where are drivers optimization) it can be close to stock 1080TI.

Review - GTX1080TI vs 5700XT Test

After 7 years with Nvidia i have changed sides and i have switched to 5700xt.I have tested it vs my old GTX1080TI Test system: R7 3700x MSI b450 Tomahawk 32GB ram 3750mhz cl16 Drivers: MSI GTX1080TI GamingX-441.87 Sapphire nitro+ 5700XT-Adrenalin 2020 Edition 20.1.2 Each card is tested with...
forums.anandtech.com forums.anandtech.com
 
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Guys, I think the OP has found his card, we don't need to derail this into a conversation about the upcoming GPU speculation. For that, you can make a new thread if needed.

@Craig234 if you feel you want more information about different video card options, feel free to make a post asking for such here. If you are content with Larry's offer, which is very generous btw, I would be happy to close the thread.
 
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Craig234

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I was watching the wrong place for a reply from Larry, finally checked the right place today and it's on track. It's up to the mod, but I don't need a need to close the thread. I appreciate the info.

Main next card options seem to be: if the 570 doesn't work out, option 1 is another RX 580 'just fine' around $160. Option 2 is the 'sweet spot' 5700 XT around $350-$400. Option 3 is a better card, including later this year, where the main benefit seems to be ray tracing, which I don't know about yet.
 
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