And you honestly believe that? :laugh:
yet It remains to be seen whether any of this material will surface before the election.
I'm going to place a rather large wager on not a single paper surfacing before November 2008.
And you honestly believe that? :laugh:
yet It remains to be seen whether any of this material will surface before the election.
I'm going to place a rather large wager on not a single paper surfacing before November 2008.
Yes, I honestly believe the archives are the bottleneck.
You don't? Shocking.
The most comprehensive, well researched, nonpartisan election coverage source on the web tells you something that you don't want to hear... so they are obviously wrong. Of course I guarantee you every person reading this could have predicted what your answer was going to be.
You responded to factcheck.org with a release sent out by the Republican National Committee? Not only is your source complete partisan hackery, (which to be fair should be expected by... a political party's press releases) but their obviously misleading and cherry picked quotes are almost all covered by factcheck's article.
You're hopeless man. I never want to hear you call someone a partisan hack or a troll again after this crap you're putting up right now. It's pathetic.
I see that facts which don't fit your agenda are discarded. Typical.
"Obviously misleading" ... that pretty much sums up the Clintons.
Are you retarded? That press release doesn't even have facts, any sort of point it is trying to make outside of the basic facts that the records are unavailable is full of quotes from OPINION articles and TV shows. Specifically they refer to problems that factcheck specifically addressed with actual research and experts on that area of the law.
Only someone as completely uninterested in reality as you would try to compare a political party's press release to a researched opinion as if the two were even remotely equal. You are just making yourself look worse right now.
Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about.
I will say this much. You can bash the Republicans in the current administration all you want but, they DO have some genius political tacticians. I mean they took a decorated military veteran with time served overseas in a combat zone and convinced voters that he was a traitor.
All this while glossing over the fact that the Republican candidate went out of his way to avoid combat and was given a choice position in the Air National guard stateside. To add insult to injury he showed up to work drunk at times and even failed to report on several occasions while the superiors looked the other way. They actually convinced some that he was the real hero. :roll:
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Nobody is claiming Bush was any sort of hero. However, some of recognize that he actually requested to serve in Vietnam and was denied, despite the left trying to "swiftboat" him by spreading all kinds of innuendo and fake but accurate documents.
As far as Kerry being a traitor, didn't he met with the VC in Paris? How about Winter soldier? Throwing his medals away? If he had nothing to hide then why didn't he fully release his military records to the public? What was this "hero" hiding?
Let's face it, both sides existed in their own reality disatorsion field over the other side's candidate. Both sides overlooked the inexcusable and ultimately neither side looked any better than the other.
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Your BDS talking points websites didn't tell you about that aspect of Bush's ANG service?
What a complete surprise.
:roll:
We're not there yet. Considering you're the only right winger to even claim this, I don't believe it. You're the same person who claimed to have sex with 2 bisexual males then denied it and read a book that was not released. You have no credibility so point me towards a credible source 
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Actually, I didn't claim I had sex with 2 bisexual males. But that's the type of dishonesty you engage in in this forum and that's why I return it to you in kind. You and your 8th grade education don't deserve anything more. That's not to mention your obvious rampant homophobia, all while pretending to be enlightened.Originally posted by: Stoneburner
We're not there yet. Considering you're the only right winger to even claim this, I don't believe it. You're the same person who claimed to have sex with 2 bisexual males then denied it and read a book that was not released. You have no credibility so point me towards a credible source
If you want the answer about Bush then google "bush palace alert."
I've never heard this either. Do you have a source for this claim? Since you are making it....the burden of proof is on you.
Frankly, I don't know if I will believe it even if you can magically produce something. After all, this is the same guy that was getting trained to fly a plane that was in the process of being decommissioned. That little fact there kinda makes me think that if he were serious, he would have asked to get training on some newer technology that was guaranteed to still be in operation after he was out of rehab...I mean training.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Actually, I didn't claim I had sex with 2 bisexual males. But that's the type of dishonesty you engage in in this forum and that's why I return it to you in kind. You and your 8th grade education don't deserve anything more. That's not to mention your obvious rampant homophobia, all while pretending to be enlightened.Originally posted by: Stoneburner
We're not there yet. Considering you're the only right winger to even claim this, I don't believe it. You're the same person who claimed to have sex with 2 bisexual males then denied it and read a book that was not released. You have no credibility so point me towards a credible source
If you want the answer about Bush then google "bush palace alert."
How funny....I did what you suggested and googled Bush palace alert and got this interview.
Thanks for the self-pwnage.
Edit: I do believe it now....he was trying to get into a program that was being phased out just like being trained in a plane that was being decommissioned. This guy is a hoot and would have done anything to avoid combat.
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That's why I won't even bother pointing you to the information. You'll approach it with an existing bias so what's the point?
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WTF?Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Actually, I didn't claim I had sex with 2 bisexual males. But that's the type of dishonesty you engage in in this forum and that's why I return it to you in kind. You and your 8th grade education don't deserve anything more. That's not to mention your obvious rampant homophobia, all while pretending to be enlightened.Originally posted by: Stoneburner
We're not there yet. Considering you're the only right winger to even claim this, I don't believe it. You're the same person who claimed to have sex with 2 bisexual males then denied it and read a book that was not released. You have no credibility so point me towards a credible source
If you want the answer about Bush then google "bush palace alert."
How funny....I did what you suggested and googled Bush palace alert and got this interview.
Thanks for the self-pwnage.
Edit: I do believe it now....he was trying to get into a program that was being phased out just like being trained in a plane that was being decommissioned. This guy is a hoot and would have done anything to avoid combat.
Your response is precisely why it's impossible to respond to the assjacks in here.
All I stated was that he volunteered. He did. He tried. He didn't meet the requirments and the program was being closed down. So you have some proof he was trying to avoid combat? Of course you don't. You're just being your usual dipshit, BDS selves.
Wait, now your point is that he volunteered to join a group that he knew was never going to go overseas as proof that he intended to go overseas and volunteered as evidence that he intended to do so?
Edit: A word of advice to you.....When you find yourself in a hole.....STOP DIGGING!!!
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You have proof he knew? Let's look at the discussion you provided:
I guess not if that's the case, but I remember going to see [the supervisor] to try to get signed up for it.
Wow. Talk about self-ownage. You're looking UP from that hole, son, not down.
There's a tiny sliver of a question on the issue. The righties have tried to misrepresent the facts, as TLC does here, through omission etc.
The *fact* is, that Bush himself admitted in an interview in the 90's that he had been determined not to go to combat in Viet Nam; he listed ways he considered not going, from going to Canada to blowing out his eardrum with a shotgun blast near it. He explained that he finally decided to 'better himself' and learn to fly a plane - and he had his father's political influence abused to put him ahead of a waiting list of hundreds for a spot in the Texas National Guard 'champagne' air unit.
Any analysis has to take that admission into account.
There was a form on which Bush could check that he was interested in going to Viet Nam. He submitted the form saying he was not interested.
The righties have explained that he was helped in completing it so it might not reflect his views, and have found some other inconclusive info.
But it all needs to look at the bigger picture and take into account his own confession that his joining the guard was part of his looking for a way to avoid combat
Sorry, righties. Look at the bright side - but for his strong advocacy FOR the war, Bush could have some liberal credentials. Unfortunately, he instead is a chickenhawk.
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Ahh. Ommission of the facts. The favorite troll of the BDSers.
Here's the comment that Bush made:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...stories/bush072899.htm
But you somehow forgot to mention that. And there's this too:
But typically of the BDS spinmeisters in here, they make allusions to inudendos and ASSumptions instead, making sure to toe their talking points.
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btw, the simple fact STILL reminas that Kerry has NOT released his military records to the public, despite his promise to do so.
What is your hero hiding, BDSers?
What is your hero hiding, BDSers?
You failed to answer any of the fact, TLC. Utterly failed.
You did make some new allegations of your own - so note: when you consider that 'statements against interest' are far more credible than self-serving statements, how do you resolve Bush's first statement that he was so determined not to go to combat in Vietnam that he considered blowig out his eardrum, with his statement in a second interview, perhaps for damage control, that he was 'prepared to go'?
Note that nearly all the 'facts' on Bush's side are merely his own statements. He said he was prepared to go, he said he asked about going - after it was an issue. The facts that are physical, that are independant, that are not in response to pressure, are the ones on the other side - including his own moment of candor in the first interview. Again, how do you reconcile the admission of determination not to go with the later claim?
It was not an 'error of omission', it was rather identifying the important evidence.
(To clarify the 'statement against interest' claim, what's more credible - Ted Kennedy admitting he was drunk at Chappaquiddick, or denying it? George H. W. Bush saying he was intimately involved in Iran-Contra, or denying it? In such cases, the denials may or may not be true, investigated with other evidence, but the admissions of wrongdoing 'against interest' are far more credible.)
You did make some new allegations of your own - so note: when you consider that 'statements against interest' are far more credible than self-serving statements, how do you resolve Bush's first statement that he was so determined not to go to combat in Vietnam that he considered blowig out his eardrum, with his statement in a second interview, perhaps for damage control, that he was 'prepared to go'?
Note that nearly all the 'facts' on Bush's side are merely his own statements. He said he was prepared to go, he said he asked about going - after it was an issue. The facts that are physical, that are independant, that are not in response to pressure, are the ones on the other side - including his own moment of candor in the first interview. Again, how do you reconcile the admission of determination not to go with the later claim?
It was not an 'error of omission', it was rather identifying the important evidence.
(To clarify the 'statement against interest' claim, what's more credible - Ted Kennedy admitting he was drunk at Chappaquiddick, or denying it? George H. W. Bush saying he was intimately involved in Iran-Contra, or denying it? In such cases, the denials may or may not be true, investigated with other evidence, but the admissions of wrongdoing 'against interest' are far more credible.)
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Where did Bush admit to wanting to blow out his eardrum? Link?
btw, Bush did not say that he didn't want to go to Vietnam, he checked the box that he did not want to be stationed overseas. I did the same thing when I joined the military because I wanted to stay in the US. They sent me overseas anyway.
Your misrepresentation of the details doesn't say much for your claims.
Here's an interesting summary of the topic. You can find many references to the 1994 Houston Chronicle interview via google.
The full quote and some commentary from the link:
Handing in the form with the box unchecked indicated that he didn't want to go to Vietnam. If he did want to go to Vietnam, he'd have check the box.
That's sort of what 'going overseas' mean for most at the height of the Vietnam war.
Again, you could make some argument on the issue, but for Bush's own admissions that he was actively trying to avoid Vietnam service.
*Your* distortions, omission, and your failure to answer any of the evidence and questions on the other side, doesn't say much for your claims.
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