Phoronix : FX 8350 competitive with Core i7 3770K under Linux.

[Idontcare]

According to the phoronix article date, the article was published tomorrow! We can see into the future!

Thanks to speed of light limits we literally can't even see the present, let alone the future

 

[Vic Vega]

ah NM.. still 4.2ghz vs 3.9ghz still looks 25% slower.

I'm trying to decide how this even matters. Are you suggesting if I buy a CPU I should clock it up or down to match the closest competing model from the competitor to make it "equal"?

 

[9enesis]

it would be interesting to see FX8150 @ 4Ghz vs FX8350 @ 4Ghz to sort out the IPC gain(if any).

 

[sefsefsefsef]

The overclocked Vishera numbers are meant to be compared to the stock Vishera numbers. It's not a conspiracy.

 

[guskline]

it would be interesting to see FX8150 @ 4Ghz vs FX8350 @ 4Ghz to sort out the IPC gain(if any).

I'm sure that has been run. It's just that we have to wait for the nda to expire.

 

[Arkaign]

The overclocked Vishera numbers are meant to be compared to the stock Vishera numbers. It's not a conspiracy.

It's not a conspiracy, but it's laziness.

For things that the 8350 is well suited for, it would be useful to see it directly compared OC vs. OC against 3570K and 3770K.

 

[ctsoth]

Maybe during all this restructuring AMD bought up rabbits, some fine top hats, and hired a score of magicians.

 

[frozentundra123456]

To be fair, it was the conclusion that the author of the article put forth. Quibbling with it seems reasonable based on the data, but it had its source in the article.

I mean, Anandtech.com never has a conclusion we disagree with, right?

I did acknowledge that he linked the whole article. However, he could also have quoted the less decisive conclusion where the article said it is "a rather competitive value" IF
"you are commonly engaging in a workload where AMD CPUs do well". Kind of like saying your football team would be undefeated if you only counted the games that you won.

 

[Arkaign]

I did acknowledge that he linked the whole article. However, he could also have quoted the less decisive conclusion where the article said it is "a rather competitive value" IF
"you are commonly engaging in a workload where AMD CPUs do well". Kind of like saying your football team would be undefeated if you only counted the games that you won.

Well, I could see the idea that possibly if 8350 hits around $200ish soon, and can deliver 90% of the 3770K OC performance for heavily-threaded tasks, that it might be a decent option.

However, with this stupid Phoronix review, they have OC 8350 vs. Stock 3770K testing. Idiotic.

Look at the title of this thread : 8350 competitive with 3770K. How do we even know given their testing? Because people buy tons of Intel K-series chips and run them stock, but these same people would overclock an 8350? Ludicrous.

 

[Olikan]

As for tomorrow's Vishera launch, I have a feeling you'll be eating your words.

quote from SKYMTL (hardware canucks reviwer) in extremsystems forum...

:thumbsup:

 

[USER8000]

However, with this stupid Phoronix review, they have OC 8350 vs. Stock 3770K testing. Idiotic.

Then look at only the stock FX8350 numbers against the stock Core i7 3770K numbers instead??

You are making a deal about nothing.

If you look at their earlier Core i7 3770K review,they did not overclock the FX8150 or Core i5 2500K they used either,only the Core i7 3770K and Core i7 3960X:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_corei7_3770k&num=1

 

[hokies83]

I'm trying to decide how this even matters. Are you suggesting if I buy a CPU I should clock it up or down to match the closest competing model from the competitor to make it "equal"?

At Stock clocks it is 15% Slower..

Now think of all the windows based programs.. gonna be a even bigger Gap..

Looks like another Amd Fail to me. Or more holes in the sinking Amd Ship.

 

[Greenlepricon]

I can't count the number of places you can find a Core i7 3770k OC benchmark. Yeah more work for you. I see stock 8350 vs. stock 3770k, along with an idea of how the 8350 looks overclocked. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Vic Vega]

I can't count the number of places you can find a Core i7 3770k OC benchmark. Yeah more work for you. I see stock 8350 vs. stock 3770k, along with an idea of how the 8350 looks overclocked. Nothing wrong with that.

Don't you be brining any rational thought into this thread. This thread is about bashing the AMD CPU and the article creator for having the gall to suggest it's not a complete turd.

 

[Arkaign]

I can't count the number of places you can find a Core i7 3770k OC benchmark. Yeah more work for you. I see stock 8350 vs. stock 3770k, along with an idea of how the 8350 looks overclocked. Nothing wrong with that.

There are indeed a ton of 3770K OC benches out there. However, the test suite that Phoronix has laid out for this particular review is unique compared to most given the software used, the revisions, and so on. To not include the 3770K OC results within this context is laziness at best, because a true apples to apples 8350OC vs 3770KOC with identical software/revisions/settings is not accessible. One can only approximate by looking at 3770K testing in different circumstances.

I'm not sure why someone would try to say that's not ideal. After all, the 8350 pricing is very attractive for heavily multithreaded situations. A 3770K is about $100 more, so if the 8350OC is still competitive in many situations compared to a 3770OC, WHY NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE TESTING.

LAZY

LAZY

LAZY

 

[Abwx]

LAZY

LAZY

LAZY

Lazy who didnt pay attention to all the post in this thread....

not sure if true...but good
http://www.cowcotland.com/articles/1199/test-processeur-amd-fx-8350.html

 

[Greenlepricon]

Don't you be brining any rational thought into this thread. This thread is about bashing the AMD CPU and the article creator for having the gall to suggest it's not a complete turd.

Sorry forgot I'm supposed to start raging in here against all AMD!

Anyway still waiting for the benchmarks on windows. Hopefully it's a big enough improvement to kick my bulldozer out of my rig. Too bad it doesn't look like it will have a chance against Intel since they're still behind by too much for now. The only competitive point I'm seeing right now are for those special workloads and its price tag, which will hopefully be looking nice for this holiday.

 

[Schmide]

Just glancing at the numbers, it looks like efficiency went down by 3.5%?

Edit: Ok further looking at the numbers the extreme turbo 600mhz of the fx-8150 vs 200mhx of the fx-8350 seems to be skewing my results.

Taking the x264 benchmark, since it uses all cores, OC efficiency seems to be 80% and adjusted IPC efficiency improvement seems to be 6.5%.

Edit2: Other encoding looks.

VP8 Seems to have OC efficiency of 93.5% and IPC efficiency improvement of 1.45%
Fmpeg 55% -0.18%
Opus 68% -2.06%

 

[Arkaign]

Lazy who didnt pay attention to all the post in this thread....

What the sam hell does SF4 and Crysis benches have to do with the Phoronix Linux benches?

 

[Olikan]

avarage in games:

^_^

 

[Mallibu]

avarage in games:

^_^

1 year of waiting and 8 cores to match intel's dual core who has 1/4 the power consumption and costs half. Still fail at the games section, improved than before though ()

 

[Olikan]

1 year of waiting and 8 cores to match intel's dual core who has 1/4 the power consumption and costs half. Still fail at the games section, improved than before though ()

if bulldozer thought us something...
Probably the 2M\4core won't see much performance hit, but power comsumption will drop nicely...

 

[ShintaiDK]

The entire review is here:
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/recen...r-piledriveru-na-4-ghz-amd-do-hry/strana/0/11

Nothing new so to say. Same crap, same powerhog.

 

[sequoia464]

Well, I could see the idea that possibly if 8350 hits around $200ish soon, and can deliver 90% of the 3770K OC performance for heavily-threaded tasks, that it might be a decent option.

Jury is still out on performance - i bet that will be debated heavily for quite a while - but this slide seems so confirm the 8350 starting price of $195.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2278251

Lots of posts here today, in case you missed it.
I chose poorly a year ago, hoping this is a viable route for me.

 

[Skurge]

There are indeed a ton of 3770K OC benches out there. However, the test suite that Phoronix has laid out for this particular review is unique compared to most given the software used, the revisions, and so on. To not include the 3770K OC results within this context is laziness at best, because a true apples to apples 8350OC vs 3770KOC with identical software/revisions/settings is not accessible. One can only approximate by looking at 3770K testing in different circumstances.

I'm not sure why someone would try to say that's not ideal. After all, the 8350 pricing is very attractive for heavily multithreaded situations. A 3770K is about $100 more, so if the 8350OC is still competitive in many situations compared to a 3770OC, WHY NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE TESTING.

LAZY

LAZY

LAZY

They may not have access to the 3770K at the time.