Phillip Morris smoking is bad commercial....

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: vi_edit
There have been numerous studies, and many reports out from 2000 & on that show that children growing up in second hand smoke homes have a higher chance of developing asthma, various respiratory tract infections as well as ear infections and hightended increases of pneumonia and bronchitis.

You can believe what you want, but simple logic tells me that smoke CAN'T be good. What happens the first time you take a hit of a cigarette? Your lungs burn like hell, your throat chokes up, you gag and hack. Same thing for many people with second hand smoke. After being exposed to it for 30 minutes my lungs hurt, my eyes burn and tear up, my voice goes hoarse.

The same thing happens on a smoggy day. Having effects, and contracting a disease are two different things.

And where are the studies showing ETS is responsible for asthma??? Children may have a higher chance of having an asthma attack, but there is NO proof ETS CAUSES asthma.

Ok, now you're just talking out your ass.

I know it, I live it. So does my wife. And her doctor.

Stop posting.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Czar
think about it, if any company came out with a product under the same pretext as cigaretes were back in the days, would society welcome it with open arms? would it even be legal?

Why shouldn't it be?

ok, lets say a company makes a product, says its good for your health, gets doctors to say its good for your health, then later this product is proven to be very unhealthy along with the fact that it includes substances that make people addicted to it, would this new product be accepted by the people or the laws?

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Bias or not...here's a link to the EPA page about second hand smoke.

http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healthrisks.html

At the bottom you can find links to similar studies in Australia, the UK, and the World Health Organization stating similar findings.

Don't bother dude.

Don't you know they're all in on the big conspiracy?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Bias or not...here's a link to the EPA page about second hand smoke.

http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healthrisks.html

At the bottom you can find links to similar studies in Australia, the UK, and the World Health Organization stating similar findings.

Don't bother dude.

Don't you know they're all in on the big conspiracy?

It's not a conspiracy, the EPA report was just bad science.

 

[CFster]

What about everybody else?

 

[CFster]

No, they can't be right - cuz they're not 'mericans!

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Bias or not...here's a link to the EPA page about second hand smoke.

http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healthrisks.html

At the bottom you can find links to similar studies in Australia, the UK, and the World Health Organization stating similar findings.

Don't bother dude.

Don't you know they're all in on the big conspiracy?

It's not a conspiracy, the EPA report was just bad science.

what is good science then? reports sponsered by the topaco industry?

 

[vi edit]

It's not a conspiracy, the EPA report was just bad science.

And similar reports by a couple other nations and a worldwide organization are also bad science?

 

[CFster]

Pretty funny, I was checking out the rest of Dave Hitt's website.

What a kook. Apparently a racist as well, as found by my perusings of alt.smokers.

Really, you've got to wonder about somebody who has an agenda like this. He spends it seems every waking minute arguing for tobacco. This guy talks like he's the second coming or something.

Our goverment has an agenda, which is to save lives. At the expense of lost taxes caused by lower cigarette sales, and restaurants and other public places that suffer as well. Come on, do you guys have ANY clue how much money cigarette taxes bring our government every year? WHY would the EPA come out with such a damaging report I wonder?

I haven't found an answer on this quack's webpage yet.

And there's no smoking in public places in MY state, thanks to a recent law.

But I guess that's what you guys were arguing for right? The laws would protect ME from YOU! That's fine. Now you can stay home and pollute the rest of your families. But according to your logic, only one out of three of you should end up in the hospital, so it's no biggie.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CFster
Pretty funny, I was checking out the rest of Dave Hitt's website.

What a kook. Apparently a racist as well, as found by my perusings of alt.smokers.

If you read his site, it's obvoious he is consistant in his libertarian views. And would you like to point out exactly where it is and what he said that is "racist?"

As I said before, the facts on his site are WELL documented. You can continue your terrible debating error by attempting to "poison the wells" (look it up) or you can face each of facts point by point and refute them.

 

[Busie23]

I enjoyed the perfume=smoke post!!! Yea, it is the same thing.......sure...and I crap gold....


The company that makes them is saying they are bad, multiple organizations have numerous studies saying it is bad, no doctors suggest smoking, and your lungs turn a nice dark black color.....dam where do I sign up?

I have put up with smoke from my parents and sister for years, until I could afford to move out...and my health has paid for it. I have seen our white walls turn yellow, and our cpu fans covered in a brownish grime. My mom looks so weathered/worn down that I almost can't wait for her to pass on. When I stop by and she is gaging on her own breath, coughing/wheezing, yet still puffing away, I just want to shoot myself.........I have pleaded with her for years to stop, mostly because it hurt me so badly, but I gave up when I realized she didn't care if it affected me or not. The final straw was when I had an order of 100 magazines returned to me because the guy didn't like how they smelled...I told her she had to stop, she didn't and she now buys my little sister cancer sticks all the time. Waste of money and waste of life.

Smoking is BAD, whatever way you want to sugar coat it is BS. You can come over and wipe your finger on the wall of my parents house and you will see the grime that is wiped off. You smoking idiots think that doesn't do any harm? I guess it is only attracted to walls, CPU fans, and the person smoking? If it covers the wall it covers you lungs too, and it aint good....

Yea there are many things that can potentially be harmful to you but, they aren't 100%. Crossing the road, skydiving, drinking, McDonalds, etc. can all kill you but, they aren't killing a little bit of you everytime you do one of those activities. And they all only effect you, not people around you unless it is a freak accident of some sort....


Smokers stop being so ignorant...

 

[bpctech]

As said earlier, laws exist to protect us from others. Because second hand smoke can be a danger to others, the government is acting properly by restricting smoking in public places such as restaurants, bars, etc. It doesn't matter that these are private establishments, they are public gathering places. If a bunch of people carrying guns walk into a bar for a drink, the cops are not going to ask the manager if he allows people to have weapons in his establishment.


get a clue people.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: CFster
No I just have a problem with stupid people. You people want to kill yourselves that's fine with me. But when it endangers innocent bystanders I have a problem.

For example, my wife can't go into a bar or restaurant where there are people smoking because she'll have a violent asthma attack. You're arguement that second hand smoke isn't dangerous isn't based on any fact whatsoever and I challenge you to come up with proof otherwise.

There also the whole arguement that there's a lot of people out there who are too stupid to look after themselves. That's why there are laws.

what about the kids who are allergic to peanuts? Especially the one who pretty much will die if he ever touches an infintesimal amount(from old thread) ? Granted his case is extreme but there are many adults and children who do have attacks when they come into contact with any peanut products? Their situation is similar to your wives you peanut eating nut.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: CFster
No I just have a problem with stupid people. You people want to kill yourselves that's fine with me. But when it endangers innocent bystanders I have a problem.

For example, my wife can't go into a bar or restaurant where there are people smoking because she'll have a violent asthma attack. You're arguement that second hand smoke isn't dangerous isn't based on any fact whatsoever and I challenge you to come up with proof otherwise.

There also the whole arguement that there's a lot of people out there who are too stupid to look after themselves. That's why there are laws.

what about the kids who are allergic to peanuts? Especially the one who pretty much will die if he ever touches an infintesimal amount(from old thread) ? Granted his case is extreme but there are many adults and children who do have attacks when they come into contact with any peanut products? Their situation is similar to your wives you peanut eating nut.

Apples and oranges really. My wife is also allergic to eggs. It's her responsibility to make sure whatever she orders doesn't have eggs in it, and a good server will find out for her.

But, there's a difference between ordering a meal, and simply being in a public place. One she takes responsibility for, the other she has NO control over. She shouldn't have to avoid public places. There aren't any other toxic chemicals floating around generally, but for some reason cigarette smoke aggrivates her asthma - go figure.

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: CFster
Pretty funny, I was checking out the rest of Dave Hitt's website.

What a kook. Apparently a racist as well, as found by my perusings of alt.smokers.

If you read his site, it's obvoious he is consistant in his libertarian views. And would you like to point out exactly where it is and what he said that is "racist?"

As I said before, the facts on his site are WELL documented. You can continue your terrible debating error by attempting to "poison the wells" (look it up) or you can face each of facts point by point and refute them.

Here.

And here.

Apparently he said these things. Why in the world would he have enemies on the smoking newsgroups? He offended those people as well?

Libertarian? I usually don't associate right wing ultra conservative bible thumpers with liberating anybody.

 

[CFster]

And I'm not going to research every fact on that website. People can bend statistics and studies to say anything they want. It's the first thing I learned in Probabilities & Statistics in high school.

What I'm using is common sense. I'm going with our federal government, a multitude of international organizations, and personal experience on this one. Not to mention advice from several doctors.

What burns me is people who aren't content just to hurt themselves, but have a need to hurt other people as well. There are the ones who do it ignorantly (and that's why we have smoking laws), and people such as Dave Hitt and several posters here who insist on it. Ignorantly. Actually, maybe not ignorantly. I can't believe there are some people who believe it isn't harmful. There can't be. Nope, I think they're people who are addicted and try to justify their addiction in any way possible.

Wait, now you're going to tell me smoking isn't an addiction right?

 

[dabuddha]

It's simple. They're not allowed to advertise cigs on TV but by doing these commercials, they can get their name out to all the people.

 

[IGBT]

Smoke inhalers are experts at fooling them selves no doubt.

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: alexjohnson16
Its quite simple actually...

Phillip Morris = Keeps Selling because they make tons of more money selling the product than putting on a few measly advertisements

Smokers = Keep Smoking because their ADDICTED to Nicotine...

plus some people just dont care. its not unheard of for someone to live a long life, excercise regularly, and smoke. my mom has been smoking since she was 15 but she doesnt have more than 1-2 per day and she's the fittest/healthiest woman her age i know.
smoking is nice, i like the taste and enjoy the nicotine flowing through my veins. 🙂

 

[CChaos]

Don't you guys realize that cigarette smoke knows who the smoker is and only gives them cancer. Secondhand smoke just turns into little rainbows when it hits a non-smokers lungs. Oh and Amused, have your wife smoke through her pregnancy and around your kids as they are growing up. The gene pool requires cleansing.

 

Didn't we just HAVE a frigging smoking thread?
Yes we did, and guess what, everyone is posting THE SAME NONSENSE GARBLYGOOK.

My fusking god, if you don't like smoking THEN DON"T SMOKE AND DON'T GO TO SMOKING ESTABLISHMENTS.

All of you militant non-smokers are SO ready to strip the rights and privileges of one person to expand your own rights and privileges.
That is the bottom line.

If you REALLY, TRULY cared about your health THAT much, your lifestyle would be TOTALLY different.
You guys are living, breathing, enjoying and justifying a double standard.
If you can't see it, then you can't see beyond your own worthless opinion.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: iloveme2
Thankfully Florida has outlawed smoking in public buildings. No more smoking sections in resturants. woohoo! 😀

Yeah, so right outside the doors there's a big ashtray us asthmatics have to walk through. Woohoo. Doesn't change much, but is a good step.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: CFster
No I just have a problem with stupid people. You people want to kill yourselves that's fine with me. But when it endangers innocent bystanders I have a problem.

For example, my wife can't go into a bar or restaurant where there are people smoking because she'll have a violent asthma attack. You're arguement that second hand smoke isn't dangerous isn't based on any fact whatsoever and I challenge you to come up with proof otherwise.

There also the whole arguement that there's a lot of people out there who are too stupid to look after themselves. That's why there are laws.

what about the kids who are allergic to peanuts? Especially the one who pretty much will die if he ever touches an infintesimal amount(from old thread) ? Granted his case is extreme but there are many adults and children who do have attacks when they come into contact with any peanut products? Their situation is similar to your wives you peanut eating nut.

Apples and oranges really. My wife is also allergic to eggs. It's her responsibility to make sure whatever she orders doesn't have eggs in it, and a good server will find out for her.

But, there's a difference between ordering a meal, and simply being in a public place. One she takes responsibility for, the other she has NO control over. She shouldn't have to avoid public places. There aren't any other toxic chemicals floating around generally, but for some reason cigarette smoke aggrivates her asthma - go figure.

Restaurants are private places, there is nothing that garuntees you the right to eat out at AppleBees.

 

[Turin39789]

Fusetalk.....

 

[Turin39789]

....To Hell