phenom X6 reviews are starting to pop up..

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There are alot of trolls on both sides in this forum. Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand why anyone with a Am2+/am3 is happy this is an outstanding upgrade for the price.

And AMD needs these sales to continue work on BD as you put it.

What i've seen on some forums across the web has been pretty funny, i've seen people saying they would sell their i7 rig to by an x6 which it a pointless sidegrade if you ask me.

Then there are people comparing overclocked X6 numbers to stock i7 and having a field day with the numbers....mmkay!

Its going to be very interesting when intel releases that non extreme edition 6 core part that is for sure.

This. We got some fanboys on both sides for sure, and they make the most noise. There's one (not naming names just using as an example of silliness) who tries to compare the amd 6 core and show how bad it is compared to their 980 extreme, and that comparing it to anything else is apples to oranges. Then we got amd fanboys as well...but the majority just want:

The best performance for their dollar. Most of us have overclocked i5 or i7 quads. (I use an i5 750 @ 4ghz) Some have Phenom/Athlon rigs. This new 6 core is:

1. Really, really appealing to anyone with an older dual core on a socket am2+/am3 board that supports it. Drop in and go baby.
2. Anyone building a new box that wants fun overclocking and has a decent percentage of multithreaded workflows.

 

[-Nintendork-]

As far as I know the i7 970 six-core should cost $699-799.

 

[Lonbjerg]

When people talk about "bang for buck"...do the include the extra time spent (due to lower performance) in their calculations?

Or is it just like a "used carsalesman trick", where the lower buy-in-price gets eaten by the lesser performance...but never mentioned?

Because my time (spent wating for a task to finish) it not without value...

 

[Markfw]

When people talk about "bang for buck"...do the include the extra time spent (due to lower performance) in their calculations?

Or is it just like a "used carsalesman trick", where the lower buy-in-price gets eaten by the lesser performance...but never mentioned?

Because my time (spent wating for a task to finish) it not without value...

Not always true.....I have an XP2400 that used to do rendering. It would take 18-24 hours to do a 2 hour home movie. No I don't due much of that anymore, but if I did on my 920@3.7, I am sure it would be like 4-8 hours. But if I kicked that off before I went to bed, the difference between that and a 980X@4.2 would make no difference at all to me.

Or to maybe a game that IF he got a faster CPU, his FPS would go from 100 to 120. Who could even see that ? or care ?

Almost every buyer must decide what he is willing to pay, and what the cost is, in time and money. This forum is all about picking the right hardware for a person, helping them out. There are no hard or fast rules.

 

[Makaveli]

You make a good point there lonbjerg, and it depends on your work load and what you do.

For some users they just play games on their machines or watch movies. For anyone that actually uses the computer for productivity and it generates money for them the time becomes a much bigger factor.

And if buying a buying a $1000 processor will save you time and create you more money its well worth the investment.

As the saying goes time is the most value resource a person has, money comes and goes as do people but time you never get back!

 

[Lonbjerg]

Not always true.....I have an XP2400 that used to do rendering. It would take 18-24 hours to do a 2 hour home movie. No I don't due much of that anymore, but if I did on my 920@3.7, I am sure it would be like 4-8 hours. But if I kicked that off before I went to bed, the difference between that and a 980X@4.2 would make no difference at all to me.

Or to maybe a game that IF he got a faster CPU, his FPS would go from 100 to 120. Who could even see that ? or care ?

Almost every buyer must decide what he is willing to pay, and what the cost is, in time and money. This forum is all about picking the right hardware for a person, helping them out. There are no hard or fast rules.

So what about when you are not sleeping?

 

[Makaveli]

Almost every buyer must decide what he is willing to pay, and what the cost is, in time and money. This forum is all about picking the right hardware for a person, helping them out. There are no hard or fast rules.

Agree with this 1000%

 

[Markfw]

So what about when you are not sleeping?

I would not want my PC tied up during the day usually. But since I have so many (and that why I do) each has a purpose in life. So for each one I have different "rules" and buy different hardware. If someone only had one PC, and it had to do it all, then its a lot more complicated.

The point is, its not always whats faster or slower, not always what costs more or not, its complicated, and thats why these forums are so great IMO. To help make informed decisions.

NOTE: Your post makes a very good point. But just ONE of the things to consider.

As for my latest buying choice (1090T). I already have a 920. It won't do 4 ghz. I got it to see if everyone was right, that they all hit 4. Nope..I got the AMD 550 BE, I was supposed to have a 79% chance of unlocking both, or maybe ever a better chance of getting 3. NOPE.

So now I have am AM3 motherboard, and I want to see if this Thuban X6 can get 4 ghz stable on a $85 motherboard. And I got the unlocked one to make overclocking easier, but maybe the $200 one would have done it anyway. Its a hobby for me, I play with hardware. I will see Friday.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I would not want my PC tied up during the day usually. But since I have so many (and that why I do) each has a purpose in life. So for each one I have different "rules" and buy different hardware. If someone only had one PC, and it had to do it all, then its a lot more complicated.

Actually it's not, then performance (timefactor) becomes king..winning ore and more every day.

The point is, its not always whats faster or slower, not always what costs more or not, its complicated, and thats why these forums are so great IMO. To help make informed decisions.

I bet 99% of all people upgrade not because they want to run slower...but faster.

NOTE: Your post makes a very good point. But just ONE of the things to consider.

I know
I always looked at the term "bang for buck" and found it to be incomplete unless combined with a timefactor.

 

[sandorski]

What's the Price/Performance Cost of Calculating Price/Performance to the Nth Degree?

 

[mbevolution]

What's the Price/Performance Cost of Calculating Price/Performance to the Nth Degree?

eww, math makes my head hurt

 

[mv2devnull]

I know
I always looked at the term "bang for buck" and found it to be incomplete unless combined with a timefactor.

Or some other factor.

It really does depend on what factors are important, variable, or fixed.

For example, if I have $200 (and no more than that), then "best bang" within that budget must do. But it is naturally appropriate to note here, if saving for extra $50 would make a substantial difference.

Same thing with comparing products. You can compare items with same price tag, same core count, same overclocked performance, or same power consumption. And the question is: "If they are equal in this, which wins in other areas of interest?"

Or more usually: Is this X% save in feature foo more valuable than Y% loss in the bar? A weighted sum of features.

There are both facts and opinions, and cases where neither fits.


[Edit] While "slower" is an unlikely goal, it might be a necessary compromise on say laptop "upgrade", or "silent PC".

 

[richierich1212]

So now I have am AM3 motherboard, and I want to see if this Thuban X6 can get 4 ghz stable on a $85 motherboard. And I got the unlocked one to make overclocking easier, but maybe the $200 one would have done it anyway. Its a hobby for me, I play with hardware. I will see Friday.

Mark, which mobo?

 

[Markfw]

Mark, which mobo?

Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P. I have the latestest buios, and it specifically says 1055T support, just no 1090T support, but I can't imagine that it would do one and not the other.

And I guess its now a $80 motherboard.