Peyton Manning the most overrated quarterback... EVER?

[Zebo]

Definity not my type of QB. I like QB's that don't have to have the highest paid offensive line in the leage to win (there's a reason they are unbalanced you know). I like blue collar QB's that get dirty, take hits, modivate, lead, montanaesque.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Definity not my type of QB. I like QB's that don't have to have the highest paid offensive line in the leage to win (there's a reason they are unbalanced you know). I like blue collar QB's that get dirty, take hits, modivate, lead, montanaesque.

Jim Kelly

 

[Zebo]

:thumbsup:

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Babbles
The 'other' Manning is way overrated, though.

HEY HEY HEY!!!! Leave Eli out of this!


<-- Giants fan.

 

[Shlong]

The NFL Salary Cap should jump quite a bit in the next few years with the new TV contracts. I think New England is Peyton's kryptonite, much like the Florida Gators were when he was in college. Indy, should really do everything in their power to get home field advantage next season.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't think he is but I do think his salary will keep the Colts from becoming a great team because of the Salalry Cap.

What is he currently paid?

And I Do agree with the checking past 5 yds. That makes a big difference.

Were there any calls of that in yesterdays game?

 

[knoxweather]

Payton will be one of the best in history. Oh yeah he already made history.

 

[shenaniganz]

Originally posted by: AStar617
OK, was I the only one who saw the look on Dan Marino's face during the postgame show on Sunday when Boomer Esiason called out Peyton Manning for choking in the clutch, and labeled him the 21st century Dan Marino? Probably one of the most unintentionally funny moments in anchor desk history. Shannon Sharpe almost had to hold Marino back, and for the rest of the segment he had the most uncomfortable crooked "smile" I ever saw.

For everything else, there's Mastercard. :beer:

That was hilarious. It didn't help that Shanon Sharpe has to be right about everything too. He needs to shut his mouth.

 

[Zebo]

Yup... something to think about with Manning who no doubt has the most natual talent in the league. So did another guy Fran Tarkington. Fran owned every passing record there was before Marino came along but is hardly mentioned in the same breath with scrappers like Montana. Why is that? Because ultimatly your judged on wins instead of passing numbers. That means performing under pressure, handling the pressure and walking away with a win..

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yup... something to think about with Manning who no doubt has the most natual talent in the league. So did another guy Fran Tarkington. Fran owned every passing record there was before Marino came along but is hardly mentioned in the same breath with scrappers like Montana. Why is that? Because ultimatly your judged on wins instead of passing numbers. That means performing under pressure, handling the pressure and walking away with a win..

earlier you implied that you liked Jim Kelly and yet, he will go the same way as Tarkenton or Marino. shoot, If favre hadn't won the one super bowl so would he.

winning the big one isn't just about the talent of one player, shoot doug williams has a super bowl ring to his credit and he actually played a good game for the redskins.

 

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yup... something to think about with Manning who no doubt has the most natual talent in the league. So did another guy Fran Tarkington. Fran owned every passing record there was before Marino came along but is hardly mentioned in the same breath with scrappers like Montana. Why is that? Because ultimatly your judged on wins instead of passing numbers. That means performing under pressure, handling the pressure and walking away with a win..

earlier you implied that you liked Jim Kelly and yet, he will go the same way as Tarkenton or Marino. shoot, If favre hadn't won the one super bowl so would he.

winning the big one isn't just about the talent of one player, shoot doug williams has a super bowl ring to his credit and he actually played a good game for the redskins.

<3 Jim Kelly.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Zebo
Yup... something to think about with Manning who no doubt has the most natual talent in the league. So did another guy Fran Tarkington. Fran owned every passing record there was before Marino came along but is hardly mentioned in the same breath with scrappers like Montana. Why is that? Because ultimatly your judged on wins instead of passing numbers. That means performing under pressure, handling the pressure and walking away with a win..

earlier you implied that you liked Jim Kelly and yet, he will go the same way as Tarkenton or Marino. shoot, If favre hadn't won the one super bowl so would he.

winning the big one isn't just about the talent of one player, shoot doug williams has a super bowl ring to his credit and he actually played a good game for the redskins.

LMK when Manning wins 5 AFC championships with himself doing a hell a lot of the effort. Ya I like Kelly, he's my type of QB, True he may go way of those other guys...but was was more succesful than either.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Well you make a jackass thread, then backed it up with a jackassed post. Congratulations. Your man card is revoked.

lol

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

Not with Rohan (or what ever the backup's name is)

I don't think Manning is 5x the QB Brady is but if you were to ask Brady himself he'd say Manning is a better QB.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

Maybe the game on sunday, but not some of their other playoff games. There have been a lot of close games that the patriots have won, and in large part the win was due to brady's plays at crucial moments (generally the end). Remember the super bowl win where he drove down the field with less than two minutes?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

Not with Rohan (or what ever the backup's name is)

I don't think Manning is 5x the QB Brady is but if you were to ask Brady himself he'd say Manning is a better QB.

Lots of QB's can play like all-Americans with two tightends blocking and the highest paid O line in the league, it's almost like practice...till you meet a real D. That's what separtes the good from the great IMHO.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

Not with Rohan (or what ever the backup's name is)

I don't think Manning is 5x the QB Brady is but if you were to ask Brady himself he'd say Manning is a better QB.

Lots of QB's can play like all-Americans with two tightends blocking and the highest paid O line in the league, it's almost like practice...till you meet a real D. That's what separtes the good from the great IMHO.

... and that "team concept" is what is lost on the OP.

The Pats are a more complete team, with 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 3 years. That means, come playoff time, they know how to get the job done.

The casual fan who does not know crap about football (like the OP) usually singles out a single player, like Manning, as the cause for a team winning or losing.

Not true.

There are 11 men on the field on offense, and there are 11 men on the field for defense. Failure at any position can be catastrophic (missed block, blown coverage, etc.)

The quarterback receives a disproportionate amount of the glory in the NFL. When he wins, he gets all the credit. When he loses, he takes all the blame.

Such is life for an NFL QB, I guess.

Peyton's offensive line (you know, the big guys who block up front for the QB, RB, and other players coming out of the offensive backfiled) got crushed by the Pats D line. Payton was under pressure all game long.

The Pats secondary (the guys who run around in the defensive backfield, tackling, and trying to stop the Colts receivers from making catches for big yardage) put on a masterful performance.

To say that Peyton is overrated is a disservice to him, and completely ignores the failures of the rest of the Colt team, which sucked on Sunday.

The Colts got outplayed, and this thread has no merit.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: jst0ney

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
He's not overrated. Manning captains a precision offense, that under the right conditions, is unstoppable. They lost - on the road - in a snow strom - to a superior Patriots team.

If you dno't understand how hard it is to win on the road in the playoffs, especially in snowy, frigid Foxboro, you don't know enough about football to intelligently offer an opinion.

Plus scoring touchdowns against any team is no easy feat. He's 5 times the quarterback that Brady is. Brady just has the luxury of a greater team. Without Manning the Colts are horrible. Without Brady the Pats still win. IMHO.

Not with Rohan (or what ever the backup's name is)

I don't think Manning is 5x the QB Brady is but if you were to ask Brady himself he'd say Manning is a better QB.

Lots of QB's can play like all-Americans with two tightends blocking and the highest paid O line in the league, it's almost like practice...till you meet a real D. That's what separtes the good from the great IMHO.

... and that "team concept" is what is lost on the OP.

The Pats are a more complete team, with 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 3 years. That means, come playoff time, they know how to get the job done.

The casual fan who does not know crap about football (like the OP) usually singles out a single player, like Manning, as the cause for a team winning or losing.

Not true.

There are 11 men on the field on offense, and there are 11 men on the field for defense. Failure at any position can be catastrophic (missed block, blown coverage, etc.)

The quarterback receives a disproportionate amount of the glory in the NFL. When he wins, he gets all the credit. When he loses, he takes all the blame.

Such is life for an NFL QB, I guess.

Peyton's offensive line (you know, the big guys who block up front for the QB, RB, and other players coming out of the offensive backfiled) got crushed by the Pats D line. Payton was under pressure all game long.

The Pats secondary (the guys who run around in the defensive backfield, tackling, and trying to stop the Colts receivers from making catches for big yardage) put on a masterful performance.

To say that Peyton is overrated is a disservice to him, and completely ignores the failures of the rest of the Colt team, which sucked on Sunday.

The Colts got outplayed, and this thread has no merit.

you forgot to mention, the colts receivers dropped quite a few easy balls. not exactly mannings fault except in the eyes of simplistic fools.

 

[BeauJangles]

Is manning overrated? Hell no. Watch that game again. Manning was nasty. He did what HE needed to do - he didn't make bad decisions with the ball. He only had one interception. I was surprised that the Colts didn't challenge the Pats secondary, but that's not Manning's fault.

I am a Pats fan, and I wasn't old enough to remember how much they sucked before '96 or so, but I've been told. I really don't like when people try to rub it in the Colt's face. Hey, I don't want to play the colts... ever. They are too explosive. I know the Pats are 6-0 against them since '01, but there have been so many close games. I don't think ANYONE in the NFL really wants to play the Colts. Sure they have good receivers, but if you watch Manning, week in and out, he makes great plays, great decisions, and generally gets the job done.

The fact is, the Patriots are a more complete team. They seemed to want to win more on Sunday than the Colts did. They played their game - suck up the clock and make no mistakes. That's why the pats won, not because Peyton is terrible.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Babbles
The 'other' Manning is way overrated, though.

HEY HEY HEY!!!! Leave Eli out of this!


<-- Giants fan.

If you really are a Giants fan you should be pretty freaking pissed off with Eli Manning and even more pissed with management losing Kurt Warner.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Babbles
The 'other' Manning is way overrated, though.

HEY HEY HEY!!!! Leave Eli out of this!


<-- Giants fan.

If you really are a Giants fan you should be pretty freaking pissed off with Eli Manning and even more pissed with management losing Kurt Warner.

I have no idea what you're talking about? Eli played pretty well the last 3 games and he also had faced 4 of the top 5 defenses, unlike warner who lost to Cardinals, Bears and Lions back when Giants were still healthy. Eli posted a 103 QB rating against number 1 defense - Steelers. Warner was sacked 39 times in 9 games. Eli - 12 times in 7 games. You do the math. The only thing Giant fans are angry at is thta Eli didn't start from day 1.

 

[quizzelsnatch]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Sure peyton set the touchdown record, but... SO WHAT? Lets look at the teams he played against during the regular season:

Thu. Sep. 9 @New England Loss 27-24 (still can't beat the pats!)
Sun. Sep. 19 @Tennessee Win 31-17 (horrible team this season)
Sun. Sep. 26 Green Bay Win 45-31 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 3 @Jacksonville Win 24-17 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 10 Oakland Win 35-14 (horrible team)
BYE WEEK
Sun. Oct. 24 Jacksonville Loss 27-24 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 31 @Kansas City Loss 45-35 (horrible team)
Mon. Nov. 8 Minnesota Win 31-28 (horrible team)
Sun. Nov. 14 Houston Win 49-14 (horrible team)
Sun. Nov. 21 @Chicago Win 41-10 (horrible team)
Thu. Nov. 25 @Detroit Win 41-9 (horrible team)
Sun. Dec. 5 Tennessee Win 51-24 (horrible team this season)
Sun. Dec. 12 @Houston Win 23-14 (horrible team)
Sun. Dec. 19 Baltimore Win 20-10 (horrible offense, only scored 1 td against baltimore's d)
Sun. Dec. 26 San Diego Win 34-31 (OT) (one good team i give peyton credit for)
Sun. Jan. 2 @Denver Loss 33-14 (peyton didn't play)

Give me a break! If the colts had a halfway decent schedule, they probably would've been a wildcard team! And manning would probably have like 28 TD's.


I think these two pictures says it all:

http://img145.exs.cx/img145/4901/pathitonstokely3vo.gif
http://members.cox.net/jmagnan/peyton.jpg

so let me get this straight, he's overrated because he has an easy schedule? ... compared to whom?

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Babbles
The 'other' Manning is way overrated, though.

HEY HEY HEY!!!! Leave Eli out of this!


<-- Giants fan.

If you really are a Giants fan you should be pretty freaking pissed off with Eli Manning and even more pissed with management losing Kurt Warner.

I have no idea what you're talking about? Eli played pretty well the last 3 games and he also had faced 4 of the top 5 defenses, unlike warner who lost to Cardinals, Bears and Lions back when Giants were still healthy. Eli posted a 103 QB rating against number 1 defense - Steelers. Warner was sacked 39 times in 9 games. Eli - 12 times in 7 games. You do the math. The only thing Giant fans are angry at is thta Eli didn't start from day 1.

Seriously. He's a rookie quarterback, and unlike Big Ben, he can't rely on a dominate running game and a great defense to win games. Roethlesburger is not the NFL norm, he is the exception. The Giants lost half their defense, have had the same wide outs for what seems like ten years, and are just not that good a football team outside of Tiki Barber. The Steelers are a very good football team, and that helps Roethlesburger win more than he helps them win. Give him a few years, and then we'll see if he actually turns out to be any good.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: quizzelsnatch

Originally posted by: Phokus
Sure peyton set the touchdown record, but... SO WHAT? Lets look at the teams he played against during the regular season:

Thu. Sep. 9 @New England Loss 27-24 (still can't beat the pats!)
Sun. Sep. 19 @Tennessee Win 31-17 (horrible team this season)
Sun. Sep. 26 Green Bay Win 45-31 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 3 @Jacksonville Win 24-17 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 10 Oakland Win 35-14 (horrible team)
BYE WEEK
Sun. Oct. 24 Jacksonville Loss 27-24 (mediocre team)
Sun. Oct. 31 @Kansas City Loss 45-35 (horrible team)
Mon. Nov. 8 Minnesota Win 31-28 (horrible team)
Sun. Nov. 14 Houston Win 49-14 (horrible team)
Sun. Nov. 21 @Chicago Win 41-10 (horrible team)
Thu. Nov. 25 @Detroit Win 41-9 (horrible team)
Sun. Dec. 5 Tennessee Win 51-24 (horrible team this season)
Sun. Dec. 12 @Houston Win 23-14 (horrible team)
Sun. Dec. 19 Baltimore Win 20-10 (horrible offense, only scored 1 td against baltimore's d)
Sun. Dec. 26 San Diego Win 34-31 (OT) (one good team i give peyton credit for)
Sun. Jan. 2 @Denver Loss 33-14 (peyton didn't play)

Give me a break! If the colts had a halfway decent schedule, they probably would've been a wildcard team! And manning would probably have like 28 TD's.


I think these two pictures says it all:

http://img145.exs.cx/img145/4901/pathitonstokely3vo.gif
http://members.cox.net/jmagnan/peyton.jpg

so let me get this straight, he's overrated because he has an easy schedule? ... compared to whom?

Houston is a horrible team at 7-9? :roll:

Minnesota a horrible team, making the playoffs, beating the Pack, which is a "mediocre team?"

Phokus, you are a complete idiot.