Pew research paper

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I found most interesting about this was that I remember some of the right wing people on here complaining that this board was very liberal. From looking at this report... it looks to me that if anything this board may be slightly to the right of center of what America believes. (lots of libertarians floating around here) I wonder if those who defend these positions on here realize just how alone you are becoming... and just how little of America now shares these beliefs.

Libertarians are on the right? You've just demonstrated you know nothing about "right" or "left" but don't feel bad, there are lots of ignorant people out there.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The pendulum of power is definitley swinging back to the left again. Now the people have to ask themselves, what are we going to do with that power?

Abuse it, sell it to corporations. You know, the usual thing people do when given too much power. Which is the reason libertarianism is the only option that makes sense. True libertarians are against concentrated power, whether it's government or corporate power. Too much power in any hands is dangerous. Unfortunately in the US now we're seeing the worst of both combined, massive corporate power backed by their friends in an overpowered government.

P.S. Don't listen to fools like Sheeplerot who will inevitably say that libertarians are pro-corporation, that's just a flat out lie.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: eskimospy
What I found most interesting about this was that I remember some of the right wing people on here complaining that this board was very liberal. From looking at this report... it looks to me that if anything this board may be slightly to the right of center of what America believes. (lots of libertarians floating around here) I wonder if those who defend these positions on here realize just how alone you are becoming... and just how little of America now shares these beliefs.

Libertarians are on the right? You've just demonstrated you know nothing about "right" or "left" but don't feel bad, there are lots of ignorant people out there.

So says another rabid right-wing nutter suddenly turned libertarian.

And you all wonder why noone takes you you all serious. (Well besides the obvious joke on workers "market" libertarianism is in the first place.)

Grow up, get out in the real world having to hold a real job to feed your family then come back to us about how the free market will just magically regulate itself.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's long, but worth the read.

In short this report shows that in nearly every meaningful area, the right is losing... and in some cases the loss is catastrophic. People who identify themselves as Republicans are in steep decline, secularism is on the rise, support for wars, etc has gone into the toilet, people are now more supportive of using the government to help the less fortunate, the list goes on and on.

What I found most interesting about this was that I remember some of the right wing people on here complaining that this board was very liberal. From looking at this report... it looks to me that if anything this board may be slightly to the right of center of what America believes. (lots of libertarians floating around here) I wonder if those who defend these positions on here realize just how alone you are becoming... and just how little of America now shares these beliefs.

I'm really not trying to gloat here (although I do admit that it brings me a lot of personal satisfaction to see the right going down in flames), but I think that this report here shows a right wing in America in retreat on nearly every issue. It appears that the rightward swing America had been enduring since the 80's reached its peak in 2000 or so, and has been falling back ever since.

Don't count your chickens until after Nov 2008.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So says another rabid right-wing nutter suddenly turned libertarian.

And you all wonder why noone takes you you all serious. (Well besides the obvious joke on workers "market" libertarianism is in the first place.)

Grow up, get out in the real world having to hold a real job to feed your family then come back to us about how the free market will just magically regulate itself.

:roll:

Another insightful post by sheeplerot. Newsflash, dipshit. I have a family that I take care of, which is more than can be said of you. Now go back to listening to your emo crap and cutting your wrists.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
So says another rabid right-wing nutter suddenly turned libertarian.

And you all wonder why noone takes you you all serious. (Well besides the obvious joke on workers "market" libertarianism is in the first place.)

Grow up, get out in the real world having to hold a real job to feed your family then come back to us about how the free market will just magically regulate itself.

:roll:

Another insightful post by sheeplerot. Newsflash, dipshit. I have a family that I take care of, which is more than can be said of you. Now go back to listening to your emo crap and cutting your wrists.

Doubtful, you post like a 16 year old listening to limpballs or some other hate jock in your mommys basement like the typical libertarian dreaming you are some free thinking but oppressed junior economist wannabe with your head up ayn rands snizz and a brain (or what substitutes for it) full of naive utopian ideals, you go girl.

Thanks for the personal attack btw, right back at ya, good luck in putting food on your family and have a great day. :lips:

And once again for the culturally challenged (Are you really that ignorant in Minn?) emo sucks, and so do your posts.
Quit trying to bait people if you can't even make point related to the topic.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
most of the "liberal" people on this board are libertarian.

Libertarian likely, true, but minus the gay side of it.

 

[BoberFett]

Who let Sheeplerot back in here anyway? Didn't we get rid of this phony already?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Genx87
If you dont believe me, simply view the last 40 years of govt expansion and how every week a new report comes out showing the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever.

Welcome to capitalism run amok into our government.

More comedy gold.
Govt expansion is not capitalism!

An expansion of Capitalist controlled Govt? More like it?😉

 

[sandorski]

Government is good, unless it is Corrupt.

 

[ProfJohn]

I read in one of the newsweeklies that part of the problem of the Republican party is that it was so successful for so long that it essentially ran out of new ideas. Stick with me before you freak out.

The conservative movement under Newt ran on less government, less taxes and welfare reform. After winning in 1994 what did we get? Less taxes, welfare reform and a Democratic President announcing ?The era of big government is over.?
After all these big accomplishments the party started to drift, it no longer had that one big issue to stand behind and unite it.

A very similar thing happened the Democratic Party in the 1960s and 70s even before that really. They got their welfare state created, their social safety net etc etc. And then they ran out of ?big? ideas on how to fix the problems of society. Into that void stepped Reagan and the conservatives.

The challenge for the conservative movement now is to revitalize itself and figure out new ways and ideas to change the life of Americans for the better.

Overall, while we may see movement away from conservative ideas, we have yet to see movement towards liberal ideas. I think that a lot of what we see is just a reaction to a distasteful war and its halo effect on Bush and Republicans in general.

When liberals, Hillary and Obama, start talking like liberals and still win then I?ll believe that we have really seen a shift back to the left.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Libertarians are on the right? You've just demonstrated you know nothing about "right" or "left" but don't feel bad, there are lots of ignorant people out there.

Libertarianism stands for less government intervention, and lassiez-faire capitalism which are hallmarks of the American right. If you want to claim that libertarianism is not a right wing movement in America, you can make all the insults you want to me but in the end you will be no less wrong. It's okay though, I won't make messages claiming your ignorance to you in the same way you do to me. I'll let your posts speak for themselves.

 

[BoberFett]

It's been many decades since anything on the right side of American politics has been for less government intervention. Not to mention the fact that less government intervention is as equally left as it is right. Less intervention means government won't do things like ban gay marriage. Hell, libertarians would end the fascist war on drugs, something no Democrat would dream of doing. From that point of view libertarians are way to the left of most Democrats. But don't let me stop you from concocting your own little fantasy world where right is left and up is down just because you say it is so.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's been many decades since anything on the right side of American politics has been for less government intervention. Not to mention the fact that less government intervention is as equally left as it is right. Less intervention means government won't do things like ban gay marriage. Hell, libertarians would end the fascist war on drugs, something no Democrat would dream of doing. From that point of view libertarians are way to the left of most Democrats. But don't let me stop you from concocting your own little fantasy world where right is left and up is down just because you say it is so.

When clinton was president just about every self proclaimed republican on this forum described the republican goals exactly the same as how we now describe the liberterian movement.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's been many decades since anything on the right side of American politics has been for less government intervention. Not to mention the fact that less government intervention is as equally left as it is right. Less intervention means government won't do things like ban gay marriage. Hell, libertarians would end the fascist war on drugs, something no Democrat would dream of doing. From that point of view libertarians are way to the left of most Democrats. But don't let me stop you from concocting your own little fantasy world where right is left and up is down just because you say it is so.

Wow, so libertarianism is socially neutral...against gun control and affirmative action, but also against the war on drugs and gay bashing.

Now lets think about economic issues, which is what I was talking about. Oohh yeah, they are on the extreme right on those. (ie. against government intervention and for lassiez-faire capitalism) How does this not make them right wing again? Libertarians and objectivists tend to be lumped near one another, and there is no harder core right wing economic movement then the objectivists. Not only that, but why do you even care where people place libertarianism on the ideological spectrum anyway? It's not like libertarianism is a viable political movement in America, and even if it were it would be based on selective issues that a larger party would adopt anyway... making its ideological positioning largely irrelevant. (that doesn't mean its not on the right though) Anyway, go ahead and continue your condescending posts to me. I like watching you flail around.

Edited for clarity

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's been many decades since anything on the right side of American politics has been for less government intervention. Not to mention the fact that less government intervention is as equally left as it is right. Less intervention means government won't do things like ban gay marriage. Hell, libertarians would end the fascist war on drugs, something no Democrat would dream of doing. From that point of view libertarians are way to the left of most Democrats. But don't let me stop you from concocting your own little fantasy world where right is left and up is down just because you say it is so.

Wow, so libertarianism is socially neutral...against gun control and affirmative action, but also against the war on drugs and gay bashing.

Now lets think about economic issues, which is what I was talking about. Oohh yeah, they are on the extreme right on those. (ie. against government intervention and lassiez-faire capitalism) How does this not make them right wing again? Libertarians and objectivists tend to be lumped near one another, and there is no harder core right wing economic movement then the objectivists. Not only that, but why do you even care where people place libertarianism on the ideological spectrum anyway? It's not like libertarianism is a viable political movement in America, and even if it were it would be based on selective issues that a larger party would adopt anyway... making its ideological positioning largely irrelevant. (that doesn't mean its not on the right though) Anyway, go ahead and continue your condescending posts to me. I like watching you flail around.

Nice post!!! It helped me anyway to see things clearer, thanks.

 

[daniel49]

I always get such a kick out of the jubilation of the left over any republican setbacks.
You guys have such short memories.
The only reason the republicans controlled the presidency and the congress is because the democrats did such a crappy job when they had the power.
Now the heat is on the other side and the republicans experienced the same "throw the bums out wrath".

What like you think its going to end there? that people like Pelosi, boxer, and Schumer are going to usher in the new golden age?

Its only a matter of time before the throw the bums out mentality kicks in again and the pendulem swings back.
Then no doubt all the election subversion theories will re-emerge once again.:roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: daniel49

I always get such a kick out of the jubilation of the left over any republican setbacks.
You guys have such short memories.
The only reason the republicans controlled the presidency and the congress is because the democrats did such a crappy job when they had the power.
Now the heat is on the other side and the republicans experienced the same "throw the bums out wrath".

What like you think its going to end there? that people like Pelosi, boxer, and Schumer are going to usher in the new golden age?

Its only a matter of time before the throw the bums out mentality kicks in again and the pendulem swings back.
Then no doubt all the election subversion theories will re-emerge once again.:roll:

Looks like somebody didn't read the article.

If they had, they probably would have noticed that most of the numbers start in about 1987.. ie. in one republican administration, through 8 years of a democratic one, and then back into a republican one with the trends remaining relatively consistent.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's long, but worth the read.

In short this report shows that in nearly every meaningful area, the right is losing... and in some cases the loss is catastrophic. People who identify themselves as Republicans are in steep decline, secularism is on the rise, support for wars, etc has gone into the toilet, people are now more supportive of using the government to help the less fortunate, the list goes on and on.

I've been saying this for years and years. You just have to look at the last century - religion and capitalism have been in steep decline. That did not happen because people still believe in it.