Petition to make USA Metric

Page 8 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Olikan

Platinum Member
Sep 23, 2011
2,023
275
126
LOL... did I strike a nerve? Your reply makes it very obvious that you recognize yourself as a metric fanboy who's "to lazy or stupid to learn the US Standard Units."

i thought that pretty much all scientist uses metric, even the american ones
the NASA guys for sure are lazy and stupid... so are those LHC guys

but hey, this random dude at internet do knows the best system :rolleyes:
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
70,567
13,803
126
www.anyf.ca
Unless you are talking about temperature. Or weight :D

True those are the few instances where it's not.

Dun need a calculator for that one.

:rolleyes: Get it in your thick skull that not every single person is good at doing math in their head.

What's easier, seeing a number like 0.83, or seeing something like 5/6, then having to try to divide that in your head to get the number? Why not just use metric and skip all the dividing.

Or when measuring with a measuring tape, so ok, you count 6 lines past the inch, what does that represent? It's a huge ordeal to figure that out. In metric you would just add .6. No calculating required whatsoever. So if you are at the 20cm mark, the 6th line would make it 20.6cm. You want to represent that in a computer program? No problem just go 20.6. Easy as pie. This is where metric being more accurate applies as well because it's simply easier to measure something more accurately. That and most units are smaller.

For example I just took a measuring tape to the thickness of my desk. It's 6 lines past the 1cm mark. Immediately I know that it's 1.6cm, or 16mm.

If I put it on inches, I get 1 1/2 lines past the half way mark of 1 inch. So... WTF is that exactly? I can't tell by just looking at it, I need to sit down and figure it out. If I wanted to cut or buy something to match that thickness, I'd go the metric route since I immediately came up with 16mm without having to figure anything out.
 
Last edited:

yvesj

Member
Dec 28, 2011
72
0
0
Have you fellows ever seen a metric tape measure? Every carpenter in the US will be blind a month after the change. Nothing would ever get built again.

you are right on the button .
i know i am a carpenter .metric is for the bird.
it is perfect for the young peoples .put if you born i the 40 your done .no metric then .not were am from anyway
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
8,368
25
91
True those are the few instances where it's not.



:rolleyes: Get it in your thick skull that not every single person is good at doing math in their head.

What's easier, seeing a number like 0.83, or seeing something like 5/6, then having to try to divide that in your head to get the number? Why not just use metric and skip all the dividing.

Or when measuring with a measuring tape, so ok, you count 6 lines past the inch, what does that represent? It's a huge ordeal to figure that out. In metric you would just add .6. No calculating required whatsoever. So if you are at the 20cm mark, the 6th line would make it 20.6cm. You want to represent that in a computer program? No problem just go 20.6. Easy as pie. This is where metric being more accurate applies as well because it's simply easier to measure something more accurately. That and most units are smaller.

For example I just took a measuring tape to the thickness of my desk. It's 6 lines past the 1cm mark. Immediately I know that it's 1.6cm, or 16mm.

If I put it on inches, I get 1 1/2 lines past the half way mark of 1 inch. So... WTF is that exactly? I can't tell by just looking at it, I need to sit down and figure it out. If I wanted to cut or buy something to match that thickness, I'd go the metric route since I immediately came up with 16mm without having to figure anything out.

Math in the head has got to be the most inconsequential reason the metric system is superior to the imperial system.

How about this, the units are based on universal constants, and conversions and comparisons between units are easier- no more messy platinum-iridium bars, no more worrying about altitude, or the inconsistent gravitation of Earth.

You are not going to erase ugly decimal facts like Avogdro's number, pi, ln, C, etc. and you're certainly not going to convince the lumber business to get out of board-feet. You're bucking for a ride through a surface planer.

Lastly, I think every single person should be good at doing simple math in their head, those that are not should be humanely eliminated.D:

:awe:
 
Last edited:

yvesj

Member
Dec 28, 2011
72
0
0
Why? How is using mm, cm, and m a problem? Why do we need to have an inch divided by 16ths followed by 12 inches to a foot, 3 feet to a yard, and 5280 feet to a mile?

mm
cm
dm
m

Pretty damn simple.

in 1 inch you only get 16 little dem bar .now in you cm you tell me how many little bar do you have .
now you tell me .about 25 of these dem thing
i like better count 16 then counting 25 of them .
sorry about my spelling am french .lol
 
Feb 6, 2007
16,432
1
81
Lastly, I think every single person should be good at doing simple math in their head, those that are not should be humanely eliminated.D:

:awe:

I think that everyone who posts on a message board should be good at using basic grammar in their posts; those that use run-on sentences should be humanely eliminated. D:
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
72,850
33,908
136
The US will never go fully metric. Land ownership throughout most of the country is based on the township, range, section system and parcels are generally 1/4, 1/16, etc. of square miles. Converting to metric would be expensive, litigious, and pointless.
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
11
81
Have you fellows ever seen a metric tape measure? Every carpenter in the US will be blind a month after the change. Nothing would ever get built again.

you are right on the button .
i know i am a carpenter .metric is for the bird.
it is perfect for the young peoples .put if you born i the 40 your done .no metric then .not were am from anyway
1/16"s are that much different from mm?
 

randomrogue

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2011
5,449
0
0
there's a saying in the us that's stood us well since the american revolution: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!". All you "america needs to go metric" fanboys need to go back to school and actually learn to do math in your head instead of on a computer or calculator, or move to europe where you can bask in the "superiority" of the metric system because you were to lazy or stupid to learn the us standard units.

Oh, by the way, how many countries using the "superior" metric system have succesfully flown manned lunar missions? How many millions of tons of american manufactured war machines did it take to keep the metric countries of europe from having to fly the swastika, or the hammer and sickle? As for the metric system not being based on an arbitrary unit... It doesn't get any more arbitrary than this, ffs!


.

redneck alert! American redneck alert! America! Fuck yeah!
 

randomrogue

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2011
5,449
0
0
metric3.gif

MetricConversions.gif



Seems a few people don't know what base 10 means. Hopefully this helps a little bit.
 

zanejohnson

Diamond Member
Nov 29, 2002
7,054
17
81
meh i can do all conversions/know both in my head... i assume most people in this day and age can..
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,857
31,346
146
LOL... did I strike a nerve? Your reply makes it very obvious that you recognize yourself as a metric fanboy who's "to lazy or stupid to learn the US Standard Units."

question: all of these great things that American scientists have done to fuel your hilarious rant--do you think they were using the imperial system for their measurements?
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
30,383
912
126
I have no qualms with switching, but it would be annoying as hell to get everything migrated over. It would actually be really nice to stop having to learn all the damn scale factors, but in this day and age, I just ask my phone to convert them for me.

I'd actually be impressed surprised if anyone on this forum could fill this in without cheating:
___ teaspoon(s) = ___ tablespoon(s) = ___ cup(s) = ___ pint(s) = ___ quart(s) = 1 gallon
 
Last edited:
Feb 6, 2007
16,432
1
81
I'd actually be impressed if anyone on this forum could fill this in without cheating:
___ teaspoon(s) = ___ tablespoon(s) = ___ cup(s) = ___ pint(s) = ___ quart(s) = 1 gallon

I know all of those conversions except tablespoons to cups, and honestly, why would I ever convert tablespoons to cups?
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
17,458
83
86
It's OK sunnyD, you can make up anything to support your argument that you want. So cute! /ruffles

And for the record - there isn't a measurement device out there that has the capacity to measure me in seximeters. :awe:
 

SSSnail

Lifer
Nov 29, 2006
17,458
83
86
question: all of these great things that American scientists have done to fuel your hilarious rant--do you think they were using the imperial system for their measurements?

He also forgot that most of those scientific achievements started in metrics. Ignorance is bliss, eh?

'Murikah, fuck yeah!
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
49,601
167
111
www.slatebrookfarm.com
Have you looked at the SI units that metric is "based" off of recently? Completely arbitrary crap. Something about cesium 133 comes into play. Yeah that is real easy to witness.

Hell they even messed up the core fundamentals based on water. Nope, now it is something no layman can possibly reproduce.
Have you looked at what an inch is based off now? It's 2.540000000000000000000000 centimeters. (Derp!) Our units are now defined in terms of the metric standards. Once upon a time, "it's 7 feet long" meaning, just use your feet, was precise enough. But as we needed more and more precise definitions, because while you're busy watching Honey Boo Boo, some people are actually working to make the world a better place - they need precise definitions.

You can't do math, so everyone else should change?

"A pint is a pound the world around" - try that with your precious base 10 system.
People using the metric system don't need little sayings to remember stuff. They'd look at you and say, "uh, a liter of water is a kilogram, derp."
 

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
49,601
167
111
www.slatebrookfarm.com
I have no qualms with switching, but it would be annoying as hell to get everything migrated over. It would actually be really nice to stop having to learn all the damn scale factors, but in this day and age, I just ask my phone to convert them for me.

I'd actually be impressed if anyone on this forum could fill this in without cheating:
___ teaspoon(s) = ___ tablespoon(s) = ___ cup(s) = ___ pint(s) = ___ quart(s) = 1 gallon

Uhhh, anyone who cooks should easily be able to do that. Tablespoons - you should see the conversion every time you get out a stick of butter. Quart is a quarter of a gallon, duh. If you're impressed by someone who would know such basic measurements, then you're easily impressed.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
41,596
20
81
Why is the Metric system so much better? Why not binary?

Seriously, why is some system based on 10's so much better? Because people can't do math?
"An engineer will call a horse a sphere if it makes the math easier."

"Assume a spherical cow is falling through a perfect vacuum..."


If you calculate something and it seems like it's off by some factor of 10, you probably just screwed up units somewhere.
If it's off by 26,928, who knows what kind of mistake you made. It could be units, or a calculation error on.....something, somewhere.

A lot of old contraptions I've seen use plenty of straight lines and nice 90° bends, particularly when high stresses were involved. They're also heavy on materials. New designs can see all kinds of complexity and curves, and limit material usage where stresses are determined to be minimal.
Straight lines and 90° bends are easy to calculate, especially if you don't have a computer handy. Or if something's curved, see if you can assume it's straight and get away with it. (Many times, not really.) Complex curvy things?....estimate, and then get a computer to slog through the really ugly math, then you do what you can to confirm what the computer came up with.
(The point of that paragraph is the first point I was making: If you can simplify the calculations and not break anything, do it. Wasting time on more circuitous methods is simply that: Wasting time.)
There's no point in maintaining an inefficient method simply because, "That's the way we used to do it, and dammit we'll never change, just because!"

People have been trying to simplify math for a very long time.
Pythagorean Theorem: Want to know ahead of time how long a leg of a specific kind of triangle will be? Here's a simpler way to do it.

Calculus: I want to figure out how much stuff is in this region, but dividing it up into tiny pieces takes a long time, and it's not very accurate.
Fine, I'll just divide it up into an infinite number of pieces, and use some nifty formulas to deal with that. Boom, done.

Fast Fourier Transform: Solving an infinite Fourier series is.....time consuming.
Hey! This FFT thing works very nicely, and it's really quick!

For any of those things: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Damn right, I plan my triangles the way I used to plan them: With a collection of straight sticks. I don't need no damn fancy Pythagorean anythings!



There's a saying in the US that's stood us well since the American Revolution: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". All you "America needs to go metric" fanboys need to go back to school and actually learn to do math in your head instead of on a computer or calculator, or move to Europe where you can bask in the "superiority" of the metric system because you were to lazy or stupid to learn the US Standard Units.
Or we can rephrase that: "If a superior method of doing something shows up, we'll choose to remain stagnant and continue using our archaic methods."
Businesses that fully embrace the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality can also find themselves saying "Our competition fixed their non-broken manufacturing processes, by which I mean that they developed a more efficient way of building their parts. Sales are down 60% from 3 years ago because we simply can't compete on price anymore."

Or how about this: The washboard was an effective method of cleaning clothes. Do you use that, or did you decide to fix what was not broken, and instead use a washing machine?



Oh, by the way, how many countries using the "superior" metric system have succesfully flown manned lunar missions? How many millions of tons of American manufactured war machines did it take to keep the metric countries of Europe from having to fly the Swastika, or the Hammer and Sickle?
And how many other countries decided to throw a huge amount of money at a lunar mission so they could show off to another military superpower? How many other countries push such a large portion of their federal budgets at their militaries?
Brute force does have a habit of being effective. It's just not always the most efficient method.
For example, the Chinese can brute-force some of their projects: Just throw more cheap labor at the problem. If it still doesn't work, triple the labor force. If it's expensive, pay them less.
We've been there already, here in the US - and we seem to prefer automation, as well as the higher standard of living that it brings.



As for the metric system not being based on an arbitrary unit... it doesn't get any more arbitrary than this, FFS!
They're all arbitrary. All of them. There is no universal calibration thing that says "Hey, use ME! I'm consistent and repeatable!"
And the systems adapt as our need for precision changes. At one time, an inch was as accurate as you needed. Now we like to use technology which regularly deals with things that make human hairs look absurdly enormous, and where timings are measured in trillionths of a second. And we need things to be repeatable in various locations, to a high degree of precision, which is why they used light as a defining unit for the meter.
"Ok, the meter is this long. We will live with that. Here's how long it takes light to travel in that time, and that's what a meter has to be."
Light's at least pretty consistent. Pieces of grain seed, or the power output of a horse, or the weight of some quantity of wool are not.

Temperature: Kelvin at least starts at zero. Absolute zero.
The divisions are the same that Celsius uses. Celsius: Also arbitrary. Freezing and boiling of water, at some arbitrary pressure, under some arbitrary mixture of gases.
Water just happens to be darn near everywhere, the pressure is pretty similar if you're reasonably close to sea level, and the mixture of gases is pretty consistent. So it's as repeatable as it needs to be, and that can be made more accurate as needed - if you really need to calibrate something, you can still use water. Reading around quick....ok, it looks like it's now defined by way of purified water at its triple point, where reaches equilibrium of solid, liquid, and gas, which can only occur at a specific pressure as well. So right there you've got temperature and pressure data points.


Yes, I'm glad that some people choose to fix what isn't broken. We often find ourselves calling the results of that behavior "progress."



Have you looked at the SI units that metric is "based" off of recently? Completely arbitrary crap. Something about cesium 133 comes into play. Yeah that is real easy to witness.

Hell they even messed up the core fundamentals based on water. Nope, now it is something no layman can possibly reproduce.
But it's defined, and it's reproducible. No, not by the layman. And the layman doesn't need most things accurate with within a few microns. The chip fab that manufactured the silicon dies in his cellphone does though. The test lab in California needs to be using the same "nanometer" that the chip fab plant in Malaysia is using. "Just use an ultraviolet emitter" isn't going to work out so well. Give a spec in nanometers, and a tolerance in nanometers.

Or we can look at the layman's GPS unit, which is receiving data from satellites. Those satellites need to know very accurately what time it is, which is why they carry their own onboard atomic clocks, otherwise that layman's calculated position will be off by hundreds of feet.
So he personally doesn't care about those tight calibrations, but he certainly should appreciate that someone does, otherwise a lot of the things he likes to use couldn't exist, or if they could, they wouldn't be at a price or size that he'd like.
 
Last edited:

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
26,907
174
106
not entirely, 1 kg of water equals 1 liter / 1000cc. that's hardly as arbitrary as "my foot is a better than yours and shall henceforth be used as our measuring system".

IMO, that's the one thing the metric system has going for it. Using a weight scale to figure out a volume is awesome.

Fern