Pete Townshend a pedophile?

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If they really want to bust some Peds all they would have to do is confiscate every member of MAMBLA's computers.

It's NAMBLA, but you're right Red...I still cannot believe that organization has not been shut down by authorities.

BTW: Didn't some of the priests recently charged with molesting children speak at NAMBLA rallies many years ago?

You mean that is a real group!? i thought it was a joke! ha wow.

Yeah right

actually i did. first place i heard of it is on Southpark. then jokes on irc.

anyway i dont if you belive me or not heh.

 

[308nato]

The law has arrived..

 

[SirFshAlot]

so since he was not a officer odds are he was getting himself off.
i think some people are just starstruck. you really need to think what you would say if this was a avarage joe

I would wait and see what the investigation turns up before I make any premature ASSumptions.

You could be right, but maybe you aren't. Why negatively defame someone's character on something that isn't sure?
That reflects more negatively on your character.

 

[shortalias]

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"This is exactly the phenomenon I alluded to above - none of us has any idea if he is an "honest person," yet we assume that because, well, he is famous. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but his behavior is certainly troubling, and I find his excuse improbable at best."



You can allude all you like but apart from joining the website, he has not been proven or disproven as to having done anything more than that and people who know him respect him for his honesty and believe him. However I did not "allude' he was innocent, I alluded that he was not proven guilty of anything, yet, if he is PROVEN guilty then throw him to the wolves. Until then, don't allude he is guilty!!!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: shortalias

You can allude all you like but apart from joining the website, he has not been proven or disproven as to having done anything more than that and people who know him respect him for his honesty and believe him. However I did not "allude' he was innocent, I alluded that he was not proven guilty of anything, yet, if he is PROVEN guilty then throw him to the wolves. Until then, don't allude he is guilty!!!

Wow - you set a new record for most uses of the word "allude" in one paragraph!

As I said before, I see no basis for you to assume that Pete Townshend is honest, any more than any other person. I assume you don't know him personally; if you do, I apologize for my presumption.

I can't see why I should not form an impression of his guilt or innocence - I do not speak for the prosecutors in England, God knows. I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but the facts of the case, and his bogus-sounding excuse, do not give me much confidence in him.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SirFshAlot

so since he was not a officer odds are he was getting himself off.
i think some people are just starstruck. you really need to think what you would say if this was a avarage joe

I would wait and see what the investigation turns up before I make any premature ASSumptions.

You could be right, but maybe you aren't. Why negatively defame someone's character on something that isn't sure?
That reflects more negatively on your character.

I doubt very much i am wrong. someone who pays to look at a page like that is NOT doing research. What is he researching? how much pubs a 9 yr old has? what kind of pics they put up? what? i am really curious to what the heck he was researching.

perhaps im a bit biased. i have worked with DCFS for over the last 10 years. I have seen girls who are molested and used in stuff like this. We have had girls young as 9 who were pregnant. I know what happens to the models from these sights. Any guy that gives them money should be in jail for a long long time.

perhaps he was just "researching" But the fact is he added to the problem by paying to look at the site. I hope he gets in a lot of trouble for it.

Though odds are he will get off with probation or such. Ahhh! the perks of being a star!




Edit: just cleaning it up.

 

[SirFshAlot]

i have worked with DCFS for over the last 10 years

good for you, I give you thumbs up
I, too, work with youth in the justice system, and because of that, I lean towards finding the facts first before passing sentence.
Keeps me from having to backtrack and look foolish. (I know from experience)

 

[LH]

but claims he did it for "research."

That David Westerfeild guy said the same thing when they busted him for it(as well as that murdering that little girl).

 

[fluxquantum]

haven't heard from you in a while red dawn

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: SirFshAlot

i have worked with DCFS for over the last 10 years

good for you, I give you thumbs up
I, too, work with youth in the justice system, and because of that, I lean towards finding the facts first before passing sentence.
Keeps me from having to backtrack and look foolish. (I know from experience)

true. they say that something like 80% of the acusations of sexual assult are false.

But they have proof that he paid to a pedophile site. thats enough for me.

now if he asked scotland yard if he can then thats fine. but somehow i doubt it.

 

[Tab]

but claims he did it for "research."

Yea, thats what Saddam Hussian is going to say when we find WMDs.

 

[Reel]

sorry but....

Whats his favorite type?
Deaf, dumb, and blind kids.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: ReelC00L
sorry but....

Whats his favorite type?
Deaf, dumb, and blind kids.

that was terrible.

 

[katka]

If it is illegal to view porn then he is guilty, but remember that undercover cops have to view it to catch the criminals. So viewing does not necessarily mean that you are guilty of perversion. It makes me sad every time I hear about this. What on earth is sexually attractive about a kid? Nothing! When I see a cute kid I just want to pinch their face cheeks. I would not even date a man younger than 3 years of my age.

As far as 80% false accusations go I would like to examine your source. A child can't lie to you about something which they have no knowledge. In divorce situations some kids are made to lie, but in most other situations unless you watch the porn channel with your kid or they saw you doing the deed, if they tell you something about an appropriate act is is probably true.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Doesn't one have to have sex with a child to be a pedophile? I agree that it's sick to be a collector of child porno but it isn't the same as being a sexual predator. In fact isn't any porno featuring someone under the age of consent child porno? I can assure you that a lot of the porno on the internet would fall into the category. Some of you Kleenex Clowns who collect Porno probably have some form of child prono in your collection.

Several things wrong with these assumptions:

You do not have to have sex with a child to be a pedophile. A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children who have not fully developed secondary sexual characteristics (i.e. physically immature). Someone who collects child porn (defined as sexually-oriented/erotic images or video of children who have not developed secondary sexual characteristics) is NOT necessarily a sexual predator, but that person does contribute, either directly or indirectly, to the industry that exploits children in such manner.

"Isn't any porno featuring someone under the age of consent child porno?" Legally, I would imagine so, because the law has to draw a line somewhere, and tends to err on the side of caution.

However, if I were to be sexually attracted to a girl who has developed secondary sexual characteristics, but who happens to be a few days prior to her 18th birthday (for example, hypothetically speaking), that would not make me a pedophile. Were I to act on it, it might be emotional/physical exploitation (and thus its own set of moral issues), but not pedophilia.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

An interesting and legitimate questions then is what to do with people who are identified as genuine pedophiles (people who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children). Some of these people no doubt have no choice about it, any more than homosexual people have a choice about being the way they are.

I may be biased (I have prosecuted several child molesters), but in my opinion they should be permanently removed from civilized society to a place where there are no children (i.e., prison, or a locked mental facility). To me, no crime has greater victim impact than child molestation, and the science shows true pedophiles are not amenable to rehabilitation.

I agree.

Don_Vito, what are your feelings with regard to the subject of virtual child pornography, where there is no victim?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33


I agree.

Don_Vito, what are your feelings with regard to the subject of virtual child pornography, where there is no victim?

I guess in my view, even virtual child porn can never be totally victimless, in that it does tend to incite sexual thoughts in pedophiles, priming the pump as it were. I did not really like the Supreme Court decision last year that rendered the existing child porn law unconstitutional - at this moment, it appears that virtual child porn is not illegal, at least not in the US - because it weakened the ability of prosecutors to punish pedophiles.

Just to be clear, I did not mean that anyone who views child pornography is inherently a dangerous pedophile who needs to be locked up for life, but I am glad to see these people prosecuted, and I could make a pretty strong argument that convicted child porn consumers should have to register as sex offenders.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: katka
As far as 80% false accusations go I would like to examine your source. A child can't lie to you about something which they have no knowledge. In divorce situations some kids are made to lie, but in most other situations unless you watch the porn channel with your kid or they saw you doing the deed, if they tell you something about an appropriate act is is probably true.

Wandering off the topic, but do some googling on the Wenatchee child abuse witch hunt in the '90s -- the counselors "interviewing" the kids got them to "remember" satanic rituals, animal and human sacrifice and more, none of which really took place. Young kids are trusting and a misguided or unscrupulous adult can "help" them to remember things that never happened.

 

[BatmanNate]

You should have posted this topic but replaced his name with Micheal Jackson's. Then once everyone had replied, change it to the true link and see if the reactions were to hold. It doesn't matter who the guy was, he is charged with buying kiddy porn. If found guilty, he definately should be punished.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
You should have posted this topic but replaced his name with Micheal Jackson's. Then once everyone had replied, change it to the true link and see if the reactions were to hold. It doesn't matter who the guy was, he is charged with buying kiddy porn. If found guilty, he definately should be punished.

Agreed if he's guilty, and I'll even say it's more likely than not.

The difference between Townshend and Jackson though is we already know Jackson had many "sleepovers" with young boys and paid settlements to parents whose children he allegedly abused. So buying kiddie porn would fit in perfectly with his past actions.

Townshend has no past connection with pedophillia, at least none that I've read of in the last couple of decades, so his sickness (if true) is just coming to light.

 

[LeStEr]

Originally posted by: BoYRaCeR
Riiight...

 

[Blain]

"He told The Sun newspaper yesterday that he had looked at the front pages of child pornography sites perhaps three or four times after accidentally stumbling across one. But he had never downloaded the material and only entered a site once, using a credit card, purely as research for a book he plans to publish later this year."

When a person starts using their credit card to access those sites, how can he expect NOT to be found out.
He should have talked his "book plans" over with his solicitor BEFORE clicking the "Show Me The Goodies" button!

 

[Miramonti]

I hope he's not a pedophile. A Freak if he is tho.

 

[BatmanNate]

The Smoking Gun has his "research" on the subject here.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: katka
If it is illegal to view porn then he is guilty, but remember that undercover cops have to view it to catch the criminals. So viewing does not necessarily mean that you are guilty of perversion. It makes me sad every time I hear about this. What on earth is sexually attractive about a kid? Nothing! When I see a cute kid I just want to pinch their face cheeks. I would not even date a man younger than 3 years of my age.

As far as 80% false accusations go I would like to examine your source. A child can't lie to you about something which they have no knowledge. In divorce situations some kids are made to lie, but in most other situations unless you watch the porn channel with your kid or they saw you doing the deed, if they tell you something about an appropriate act is is probably true.

a child cant lie to you about something they have no knowledge? That is wrong. They may not know about love but they DO know about sex and that a adult touching them is wrong.

When a child is interviewed by a social worker they are asked leading questions. Most children will answer how they THINK you want them to. If a interviewer uses words such as "vagina" or "masturbation? they child will pick up on it and use such words.

Sometimes a interviewer will use things such as puppets and use the terminology a child does not understand plus the leading questions. You put all of this on a young child they tend to say things to make the grownup happy.

Oh according to a few places the rate of false accustations is around 60-70%. One site has it at 80% (link) while onother book has it at %60. Thats just what i looked up in the last 5 minutes! i had a better site (i wrote a paper on child molestation and false accusations a few years ago) i also had statitics from DCFS and the police. They had the rate at %49 but still high.