"Personal Responsibility"

[djmartins]

Wow moonie...looks like truth and objectivity are not your strong suits.

His name on the forum is "moonbeam", do you expect anything better?

 

[child of wonder]

To me, a big part of being personally responsible is accepting accountability for yourself. If I mess up at something, I'm usually one of the first people to point it out and I immediately accept responsibility for it.

However, simply taking care of yourself doesn't make one personally responsible. Millionaire athlete have no trouble taking care of themselves but I wouldn't call their reckless spending and allowing legions of people to mooch off of them any form of personal responsibility.

 

[HumblePie]

@Cuda:

In response to your post, I can almost see where Moonbeam is coming from. He is saying you are lucky by where you come from. You had the opportunities presented to you. You were ability to see those opportunity and the drive to see them succeed. What I don't agree with Moonbeam on is the hardwork. You did work for what you have. To do what you want in life to feel you were successful in your life. I know I feel the same way too. Your position and my position in life are not mere accidents or chance as Moonbeam further alleges. Yes, the doors to get where we are may have been, but it still took us to walk through them.

There is also another thing I disagree with in Moonbeams post. That of all humans starting out perfect and equal with just different degrees of abilities. This is not the case unfortunately when one considers those people with deformed and deranged mentalities. An example would be a psychopath killer. They were born with out an integral part of the brain that regulates behavior and as such devolve from humanity. They really are flawed and trash.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

His name on the forum is "moonbeam", do you expect anything better?

Yes...I do. Moonie has a great heart...just a tad naive.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Moonie, nobody - right or left wing - gets where they are entirely based on luck. Yes, you can be born into a better situation, but your decisions ultimately determine where your life goes. It's just as easy for a trust fund kid to mess up his life through bad decisions as it is for a kid in the ghetto to live a successful life through good decisions. The problem for both of these groups is the same. Youth are coddled into an entitlement mindset through handouts that they did nothing for. Sure, the handouts are vastly different (trust fund millions vs. welfare and easy money through hustling), but the result is the same. Being born into a different situation definitely makes it easier or harder to succeed, but the choice is still yours alone. And yes, people should be thankful for being born into a good situation and should try to help others who are trying to help themselves.

 

[Throckmorton]

P. Diddy just bought his son a Maybach for his 16th birthday. Does anyone really think he has to work hard to be wealthy?

 

[Thump553]

Count me as a so-called leftwinger who agrees with Nemesis 1 on this one (about your responsiblity to bail out your family). I think Cuda1447 should put his money where his mouth is and step up to financially help out his sister rather than condemn her for taking WIK, etc.

But Moonie does have an excellent point, however=the phrase "personal responsibility" is an overused catchphrase by rightwingers to condemn those who need public assistance, much as "law and order" was overused in the eighties, and generally with racially adverse overtones.

Speaking of personal responsibility, Rush is hardly a poster child for that concept, having thrown his house staff under the bus to cover up his hillbilly heroin problem rather than manning up.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes...I do. Moonie has a great heart...just a tad naive.

A great heart would want everyone to be personally responsible and successful at it.

 

[Carmen813]

Woah, know more details before you judge. My personal responsibility is to myself and my wife first. If our house is in order, sure help out the rest of the family, but you can't help others if you haven't helped your self first.

And for the record, I am very supportive of my younger sister. Maybe not financially (although I have helped out with quite a few things). Unfortunately, I am not in the position to house my sister, her boyfriend, their child and pay all of their bills. So, because THEY were personally irresponsible, THEY are the ones that are using the .gov. Sure, hopefully they will grow up, repay their debt to society. I sure as hell hope so, as it makes me sick to think otherwise. I simply used this as an example of personal responsibility. For, even if they grow up, even if they repay their debt to society, there are millions who will not.


@Moonbeam:

I should know better, than to feed a troll... but here goes.

Your post seems to indicate someone like me. In what way do you think I am 'lucky' to be where I am in life?


Is it because I don't go out drinking, wasting money at clubs? Instead, I spend that money on grociers, or car insurance, or electric bill. Am I lucky because I choose to work hard at my career. I can cound on one hand the days I've called in sick since Ive started working. And it only takes one finger as well! (Sure, I took off a few months when I had ACL surgery, but luckily I SAVED my money so that I could afford it.... hint hint, personal responsibility.)

Or maybe I'm lucky that the money I earned went towards my education, NO GOVERNMENT LOANS OR GRANTS. That would be called being personally responsible with my future.

You don't seem to get it. You think that every person in this country who is successful is so because of luck.


Let me draw a parellel for you. A lot of people think poker is all luck. Sure, luck is involved. To a great extent actually. As it is in life. But, at the end of the day, the best poker players in the world make money and the worst lose it. Why is this? Certainly, if it was all luck, the law of averages would kick in and everyone would be equal. Well, Mr. Moonbeam. I have news for you, although there is a lot of luck involved in this world, there is also a lot of hardwork, personal responsibility, drive, determination, whatever else you want to call it. People CAN be successful if they want to be. Maybe they won't make a million dollars, but they can certainly take care of themselves and not have to rely on others. That is what every person should strive for in this world. Why the hell do you want to rely on others? Are you somehow incapable of helping yourself?

One day in your life the shit will hit the fan. When that happens you won't care who it is that lends a hand, whether it be charity, government, or family. Around that time is when you will realize the naivete of your views. We are all in this together.

Don't think your picture perfect world can't fall apart because you are personally responsible? Think again. I can assure you from personal experience that you can be doing everything right and in the blink of an eye it will all be gone.

Your sister made a mistake...in your eyes. There is more to life than being "economically" viable. It's not all about the all-mighty dollar. Hopefully you will realize this before it's too late.

 

[Corn]

Wow moonie...looks like truth and objectivity are not your strong suits.

Seems so lately. Too bad, however, I have rather enjoyed watching the Moonster's angry descent into Mcowned territory since the lefties have gained control of our government. I can only guess at the cause, but Moonie kinda reminds me of a friend of mine who went impotent before Viagra was invented.

 

[Cuda1447]

Count me as a so-called leftwinger who agrees with Nemesis 1 on this one (about your responsiblity to bail out your family). I think Cuda1447 should put his money where his mouth is and step up to financially help out his sister rather than condemn her for taking WIK, etc.

But Moonie does have an excellent point, however=the phrase "personal responsibility" is an overused catchphrase by rightwingers to condemn those who need public assistance, much as "law and order" was overused in the eighties, and generally with racially adverse overtones.

Speaking of personal responsibility, Rush is hardly a poster child for that concept, having thrown his house staff under the bus to cover up his hillbilly heroin problem rather than manning up.

You guys are fucking hillarious. The reason I brought up my sister is to show that my families life is not perfect. I condemn my sisters decisions, just as I would condemn anyone elses decision. There is no special treatment or bias. Hence why I told the story. At the end of the day though, my sister is NOT my responsibility.


Let me also make something clear. I do not condemn my sister for taking WIK. I condemn her for being irresponsible prior to now. Mistakes happen though and hopefully she will grow up and learn from this. On the flip side, she may have 4 more children, all on the governments tit. That is the type of behavior that is EMBRACED by someone like Moonie. Hell, we all need help. They aren't lucky. They weren't born in a good situation. Let's allow everybody to run a muck, never taking responsibility for their actions.


As for those telling me I am lucky to be where I am. I have already agreed with that. Luck definitely plays a role in life, but it is hardly the only role. Sure, some could get amazingly lucky and never have to work in life, but the vast majority of people do. And if you look around at your everyday person, you'll quickly be able to tell who got to where they are by luck and who got their through hardwork. You can also see who is failing at life due to their decisions.


I don't understand how anyone can really come in here alleging that 'personal responsibility' doesn't exist, or its a right-wing conspiracy. That's the whole fucking problem with this country. This shouldn't be something that is debated. It should be something that is taught. You know, father teaching son to be responsible for his actions, work hard in life, do more than your fair share. All those good old addages. Instead, there are adults in this world, like Moonbeam, whom will pass on to their offspring the idea that they don't need to be personally responsible. Those who are must be evil right-wing Repubs. Fuck them and fuck the world. Don't take responsibility for your actions, thats what the government is for. Don't learn from your mistakes.

Horrible outlook on life.

 

[classy]

Taking care of your own shit and not relying on others (read: the .gov) to take care of it for you.

So a fine example. Being on welfare isn't personal responsibility.


Full disclosure: I just found out my 20 year old sister who lives at home is pregnant. Now she is going to get WICK/Welfare while she struggles to live. My opinion. She is a fucking drain on this country because she is personally irresponsible. She contributes nothing to this country and costs tax payers money. This is the type of behavior we need to stop.

On the flip side, my Wife and I (4 years older) are not having kids until we have steady incomes and do not have to rely on someone else to provide the necessities for the baby. That is called personal responsibility.


That said, I love my sister. She fucked up and is going to have a tough road ahead of her

Dude you sound like a real creep. I don't know anything about your sister except your nasty post about her. But to have children at the age of 20 may be a little young by todays standards, but its not like she is 15. And you talk all bad, but you needed a woman 4 years older to take care of you.

 

[Carmen813]

You guys are fucking hillarious. The reason I brought up my sister is to show that my families life is not perfect. I condemn my sisters decisions, just as I would condemn anyone elses decision. There is no special treatment or bias. Hence why I told the story. At the end of the day though, my sister is NOT my responsibility.


Let me also make something clear. I do not condemn my sister for taking WIK. I condemn her for being irresponsible prior to now. Mistakes happen though and hopefully she will grow up and learn from this. On the flip side, she may have 4 more children, all on the governments tit. That is the type of behavior that is EMBRACED by someone like Moonie. Hell, we all need help. They aren't lucky. They weren't born in a good situation. Let's allow everybody to run a muck, never taking responsibility for their actions.


As for those telling me I am lucky to be where I am. I have already agreed with that. Luck definitely plays a role in life, but it is hardly the only role. Sure, some could get amazingly lucky and never have to work in life, but the vast majority of people do. And if you look around at your everyday person, you'll quickly be able to tell who got to where they are by luck and who got their through hardwork. You can also see who is failing at life due to their decisions.


I don't understand how anyone can really come in here alleging that 'personal responsibility' doesn't exist, or its a right-wing conspiracy. That's the whole fucking problem with this country. This shouldn't be something that is debated. It should be something that is taught. You know, father teaching son to be responsible for his actions, work hard in life, do more than your fair share. All those good old addages. Instead, there are adults in this world, like Moonbeam, whom will pass on to their offspring the idea that they don't need to be personally responsible. Those who are must be evil right-wing Repubs. Fuck them and fuck the world. Don't take responsibility for your actions, thats what the government is for. Don't learn from your mistakes.

Horrible outlook on life.

You are building quite the straw man about Moonbeam's post. Maybe if you actually read Moonbeams post, instead of reading what you wanted to read, you would see that he did not say what you seem to think he did. I'll quote him directly:

You cannot help people by giving them things because they feel worthless and will piss any gift away. They do not deserve to have it. The only way you can give somebody anything is to make them think they earned it. You value only what you pay for. So the way to help people is to help them help themselves without them knowing what you are up to.

He just said that the solution isn't to give things away to people for nothing in return. The goal is to find a way to help people while helping them create a sense of pride and accomplishment. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes working with the poor knows this is the case. Are you going to find some leeches? Yes, but they are far and away the MINORITY.

 

[Xellos2099]

Try telling personal responsibility to all those black people in ghetto to stop popping out babies with 10 different men. One is a mistake, two is a laps in judgement but repeat again and again mean something else, they got zero personal responsibility. And please don't tell me they were force into having sex with so many different men, unless they were rape, it is their choice.

 

[dmcowen674]

The far right's idea of personal responsibility is "Screw you, I got mine!!"

and I make it my "personal responsibility" to piss them off and shame them until they leave this country.

 

[Atreus21]

When you make a choice to do something, you are responsible for the results. When something happens to you by accident, meaning something you had no choice in, then you are not responsible for the results.

That's personal responsibility.

 

[Carmen813]

Try telling personal responsibility to all those black people in ghetto to stop popping out babies with 10 different men. One is a mistake, two is a laps in judgement but repeat again and again mean something else, they got zero personal responsibility. And please don't tell me they were force into having sex with so many different men, unless they were rape, it is their choice.

That is the result of familial, societal, and communal breakdown. It has very little to do with the individual. They are simply born into an environment that encourages such behavior, or where that behavior is the "norm." When the societal norm is as such, it's very hard for an individual to break out of that pattern. Go spend some time with these families and you will understand what I mean.

 

[Cuda1447]

Dude you sound like a real creep. I don't know anything about your sister except your nasty post about her. But to have children at the age of 20 may be a little young by todays standards, but its not like she is 15. And you talk all bad, but you needed a woman 4 years older to take care of you.

A nasty post? I simply said my sister made a very poor decision in life. In my original post I said I love her and am helping her in any ways I can. But I am not going to sit here and lie, acting like what she did/is doing isn't personally irresponsible.

As long as she learns from her mistakes and addresses them, I have no qualms. I realize shit happens.


As for needing a woman 4 years older to take care of me? What is that supposed to even mean? My wife and I are the same age. We got married last year.... What is your fucking point?

 

[sunzt]

You guys are fucking hillarious. The reason I brought up my sister is to show that my families life is not perfect. I condemn my sisters decisions, just as I would condemn anyone elses decision. There is no special treatment or bias. Hence why I told the story. At the end of the day though, my sister is NOT my responsibility.

I'd hate to be your sibling...

 

[classy]

Try telling personal responsibility to all those black people in ghetto to stop popping out babies with 10 different men. One is a mistake, two is a laps in judgement but repeat again and again mean something else, they got zero personal responsibility. And please don't tell me they were force into having sex with so many different men, unless they were rape, it is their choice.

Or telling all those white teachers to stop going to school sleeping with all their students. Or having white parents spend more time with their kids so maybe they are more stable instead of going to their local school and shooting up the place or killing themselves because of some stupid facebook posting. Or having white people stop destroying the dreams of thousands by corporate stealing or running ponzi schemes. Personal responsibility is not reserved for one race or area of life, you POS.

 

[classy]

A nasty post? I simply said my sister made a very poor decision in life. In my original post I said I love her and am helping her in any ways I can. But I am not going to sit here and lie, acting like what she did/is doing isn't personally irresponsible.

As long as she learns from her mistakes and addresses them, I have no qualms. I realize shit happens.


As for needing a woman 4 years older to take care of me? What is that supposed to even mean? My wife and I are the same age. We got married last year.... What is your fucking point?

My mistake on the age thing. But at the age of 24 you don't know squat about life. I assumed you were older. And to trash your sibling like that who at the age of 20 is pregnant shows how much you still have to learn.

 

[Throckmorton]

Here is a question for the "personal responsibility" fundamentalists. Did you attend public school?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Here is a question for the "personal responsibility" fundamentalists. Did you attend public school?

OMG society helped them!!! clearly they don't have "personal responsibility" then...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Here is a question for the "personal responsibility" fundamentalists. Did you attend public school?

OK...I'l byte...yeppers, I wendt too publik shcool.

 

[BoberFett]

Speaking of personal responsibility, Rush is hardly a poster child for that concept, having thrown his house staff under the bus to cover up his hillbilly heroin problem rather than manning up.

I wouldn't count any of our political "leadership" as being models of personal responsibility. They all blame everyone but themselves for this country's problems, the exact opposite personal responsibility. And unfortunately responsibility flows up, not down. If individuals are responsible, they will put responsible people in place as their representatives. If not, they put fools there. We as a nation have opted for the latter.