Patranus
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Currently, only 83 cents on the dollar from medicare/medicaid is paid to hospitals. The rest is subsidized by those who have insurance. This pay schedule is slated to be instituted with HR3200.
Now, could it be the high cost of private insurance is because you are paying to make up that 17 cents? That could possibly be one factor.
Now, could it be the high cost of private insurance is because you are paying to make up that 17 cents? That could possibly be one factor.
Yeah, speak like a true citizen of the country with most debt in the world. Good luck to the US and tax payers when the government throws 10x of what every other countries spend on each and every programs. Hope you, your kids and grand kids have the money to pay it back or deal with any new attacks or natural disasters.
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Originally posted by: JD50
I thought one of the biggest problems with our current system is how much it's costing us?
Lol I don't even know what to say. This is pretty sig worthy to be honest.
nobodyknows
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Originally posted by: JD50
I thought one of the biggest problems with our current system is how much it's costing us?
Obviously cost only matters when we're talking about someone else's healthcare, not our own. I was speaking of our own health care and in that case cost isn't the big concern. Being fixed/cured is.
nobodyknows
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LOL, once we get the program in place we can cut costs on YOUR health care.
Seriously, when your sick do you really care what the costs are? To have a sane discussion on costs is next to impossible. Health care costs money. People have to be stupid to think it's not going to cost them anything. The idea is to get the best bang for your buck and we can't even start on that end of things until we get a plan in place that everyone agrees on.
In order to do that compromises will have to be made.... by everybody.
BS, let's see you back your claim up.
Do I really care what the costs are? Of course I do, you'd be stupid not to. Somebody is gonna pay for the cost, sooner or later. You'd be stupid to blindly let the healthcare cost to get out of control and eventually you and your country won't be able to afford a decent healthcare.
Oh and the reason why everyone don't agree on the plan is it's not gonna give you best bang for the buck. It's just more government beauracracy. And a few post up you were saying who cares about the cost.
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I guess this was a failed exercise. Oh well, I'm disappointed but not surprised. Perhaps it can be brought up again in another month...
The problem is that no one knows the costs yet. Remember, we're going to figure that out after we slam the bill through. But because we don't have any real information right now, we're going to argue against the necessity of said information:
Cost AND quality matter... no, just cost... no wait... just quality... actually, you know what, we just need something - "change", if you will.
fixed.
And the answer is simple: They haven't bothered to work out those numbers and standards yet -- per the House proposal, each of those will be at the whim of "The Secretary" or "The Commissioner" sometime in the future AFTER the bill is passed.
fun, huh?
StageLeft
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Ok, another example. Iraq was going to cost $60B.
It's true, government programs very consistently and predictably blow the hell out of their budget.
Great job, every time somebody criticizes a democrat plan, steer things back to Bush & Iraq, fvcking superb!
I highly doubt it. All they are doing right now is playing kick the can just like the last guys (and the ones before that) did. The problem is the can is getting real heavy and its soon going to be to heavy to kick. Then we will be forced to take our medicine and the pain will be much worse.
Can it be prevented? Sure it can but its not politically feasible as it means dramatically higher taxes as well as huge reductions in spending across the board, so I have absolutely no faith that it will be fixed until our creditors force us.
nobodyknows
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When they have 6 doctors in your room trying to figure out why your heart keeps skipping beats are you going to stop them and ask them how much it's going to cost?
Of course you're not. Whatever tests the doctors want done, your going to want done and you'll worry about the cost later.
nobodyknows
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It's just a bad analogy. Just because we're doing one thing that costs a lot doesn't mean we should go spend a bunch of money somewhere else. Balance the budget. Live within our means. Reform responsibly and OPENLY.
nobodyknows
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Well since the goverment is so fucked up it can't even run a wheelbarrow why are we letting them be in charge of our defense?? My God, look at all those socialist Generals ruining this fine country with the pet pork barrel projects!!!
If you combine "public option," "self-funded" and "single-payer" I imagine your personal "cost" of private insurance will go down.
Food for thought: With another double-digit increase in the cost of health care this year (as typical) and the decline in economic output anticipated over 2009 ....
Over 19% of GDP will be health care related.
Food for thought: With another double-digit increase in the cost of health care this year (as typical) and the decline in economic output anticipated over 2009 ....
Over 19% of GDP will be health care related.
It was a response to nobodyknows about the difficulty individuals face when they try to find out the cost of anything associated with healthcare.
To address your point though, I certainly haven't seen anything I'd consider an answer. As with everything associated with health reform, there are a lot of dependencies when calculating costs and savings. The Economix has published a few columns though about the cost of reform and why it's so inexact:
The cost of Health Reform
Challenge to Health Bill: Selling Reform I gather that you would agree with Leonhardt's closing:
In recent weeks, polls have shown that a solid majority of Americans support the stated goals of health reform. Most want the uninsured to be covered and want the option of a government-run insurance plan. Yet the polls also show that people are worried about the package emerging from Congress.
Maybe they have a point.
More on Paying for Health Reform
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I agree with you. We need to attack our wasteful spending at ALL levels in ALL programs from defense to school lunches. However, the topic of the day is health care. It does no good for anyone pointing fingers at other programs, other people , etc. We need to point fingers at all of the people on the Hill and demand they provide us with the details we all deserve.
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