Perfect scenario good guy with gun vs bad guy with gun. What happened?

[SlowSpyder]

http://controversialtimes.com/issue...hootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/

Every situation is different. If I'm in such a situation I prefer to have a gun than not, personally.

 

[HomerJS]

No mass murderer cares what the signs say, only law abiding citizens do. Oh wait, you're a fucking idiot, so nevermind.

Only fucking idiots think most gun deaths are committed by criminals.

 

[HomerJS]

Gov. Abbott was asked this morning "prayer is fine for people but what should be done as a nation?"

His response, "work with God".

What kind of a fucking answer is that coming from a politician. Governors are not pastors. He didn't even go into what that exactly means. They are elected officials. If the answer is "nothing can be done" then just say so. At least it would be his honest political position. Enough of the platitudes.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Gov. Abbott was asked this morning "prayer is fine for people but what should be done as a nation?"

His response, "work with God".

What kind of a fucking answer is that coming from a politician. Governors are not pastors. He didn't even go into what that exactly means. They are elected officials. If the answer is "nothing can be done" then just say so. At least it would be his honest political position. Enough of the platitudes.

You do know the shooter was an atheist that was consistently proselytising his Atheism? Kinda like you......

 

[1sikbITCH]

Gov. Abbott was asked this morning "prayer is fine for people but what should be done as a nation?"

His response, "work with God".

What kind of a fucking answer is that coming from a politician. Governors are not pastors. He didn't even go into what that exactly means. They are elected officials. If the answer is "nothing can be done" then just say so. At least it would be his honest political position. Enough of the platitudes.

Work with God...
Tried that, everybody got shot. Next answer? JH Christ they just shot up a church during prayer. Are they saying God let this happen? Fuck politicians.

 

[HomerJS]

You do know the shooter was an atheist that was consistently proselytising his Atheism? Kinda like you......

Since I've never done that I only assume frequent lying must be a characteristic of Christianity.

 

[Linux23]

I guess they just had it coming, because it was gods will. :roll:

 

[Commodus]

Moot point because neither a good idea or even remotely possible. Until both sides acknowledge that fact and stop making ridiculous claims and arguments we won't make any progress on this problem.

More guns statistically equals more accidents and even intentional misuse, but almost all guns in this country (99%+) are used safely and never hurt anything more than a tin can, paper target or a deer. We could do a better job with our "instant" background checks, and much more has to be done to identify violent individuals, especially those who commit domestic violence, and strip them of their gun ownership rights. We also need to care for our fellow man and stop letting those with mental illness fall through the cracks. There is no easy answer to reducing violence in our society.

All those gun owners in that Walmart who took up defensive position were smart as heck. They were ready to defend themselves and others had the shooter come their way. Tough cookies if that slowed the cop's investigation down a bit. Not dying > making it easy to identify shooter.

The problem is that the US also has a large contingent that freaks out the moment you even propose reforms that touch on access to guns, no matter how reasonable. In many cases they even urge loosening what vital restrictions there are. For instance, we've just seen Wisconsin Republicans propose a bill that would let young kids hunt with guns... how is that reasonable?

Then there's a tremendous irony of the political situation. Many of the Republicans who insist that it's strictly a mental health issue are the same ones who are eager to destroy health care, turn a blind eye to domestic violence and otherwise increase the chances that a disturbed person will go on a rampage instead of getting help. So even if you think gun laws are perfectly fine right now, you still shouldn't vote Republican -- they're hell-bent on making sure the wrong people get access to guns.

 

[Atreus21]

The problem is that hardcore gun enthusiasts frequently cling to a fantasy where having a gun guarantees that they'll singlehandedly thwart a mass shooting/robbery and will make police's lives much easier.

It's not a fantasy. It's a hypothetical. If I am attacked, I'd prefer to be armed. I think most people would.

The best chance of stopping a murderer in his tracks is a gun.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No mass murderer cares what the signs say, only law abiding citizens do. Oh wait, you're a fucking idiot, so nevermind.

lol, that's rich coming from you tajjy.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Then there's a tremendous irony of the political situation. Many of the Republicans who insist that it's strictly a mental health issue are the same ones who are eager to destroy health care, turn a blind eye to domestic violence and otherwise increase the chances that a disturbed person will go on a rampage instead of getting help. So even if you think gun laws are perfectly fine right now, you still shouldn't vote Republican -- they're hell-bent on making sure the wrong people get access to guns.

Everyone has a right to arms. Everyone also has the right to kill in self defense. If someone pulls his pistol on you, you shoot him. Psycho, abusive husband, whatever, just boom boom good shoot. What's the problem? Saves taxpayers from paying to treat these defectives.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You do know the shooter was an atheist that was consistently proselytising his Atheism? Kinda like you......

OOOH correlation, you're so fucking smart tajjy... latch onto that atheism talking point, hold it tight, stroke it, and use it, regularly. So very smart.

 

[Commodus]

It's not a fantasy. It's a hypothetical. If I am attacked, I'd prefer to be armed. I think most people would.

The best chance of stopping a murderer in his tracks is a gun.

I suspect most people would prefer lower chances of an attack than having to carry a gun 'just in case.' A peaceful society is a helluva lot nicer than living in fear.

 

[Atreus21]

OOOH correlation, you're so fucking smart tajjy... latch onto that atheism talking point, hold it tight, stroke it, and use it, regularly. So very smart.

Eh, if an avowed Christian had shot up a mosque you know damn well how this would go.

 

[Zaap]

All those gun owners in that Walmart who took up defensive position were smart as heck. They were ready to defend themselves and others had the shooter come their way. Tough cookies if that slowed the cop's investigation down a bit. Not dying > making it easy to identify shooter.

Kind of amazing, isn't it, that anyone would even attempt to use this incident as a bad thing for armed citizens.

Oh boo hoo, NOT DYING and laying there as a dead victim made some cop's job a little harder! It should have been easy as cops walking through the aftermath going: "Dead body= victim. Dead body=Victim. Dead body=Victim. Live guy with a gun still shooting... oh oh! I know! Perpetrator!! Being a cop is EASY!!!"

Fuck that. There wasn't a damn person in that store that wasn't glad other people were armed and scared the loon bag off before he could hunt them down, just as anybody in this thread would have been. Becoming a dead body so a cop can ID you better- FUCK OFF. Assholes first with that plan.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Eh, if an avowed Christian had shot up a mosque you know damn well how this would go.

You're equating someone with NO religious beliefs to someone with extreme religious beliefs, see the problem?

 

[Atreus21]

I suspect most people would prefer lower chances of an attack than having to carry a gun 'just in case.' A peaceful society is a helluva lot nicer than living in fear.

There's a difference between living in fear and being prepared. But even if you want to call it living in fear, I'd prefer to be alive in the end regardless of my motivation for being armed.

 

[Atreus21]

You're equating someone with NO religious beliefs to someone with extreme religious beliefs, see the problem?

I'm equating extremist with extremist.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm equating extremist with extremist.

lol, so someone who holds no religious beliefs, aka an atheist is equal to someone who has severe or extremely rigid religious beliefs. And you still don't see a problem with that comparison.

 

[Atreus21]

lol, so someone who holds no religious beliefs, aka an atheist is equal to someone who has severe or extremely rigid religious beliefs. And you still don't see a problem with that comparison.

No I don't. Two people whose ideologies provided them an excuse to kill non-adherents.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No I don't. Two people whose ideologies provided them an excuse to kill non-adherents.

Ok, this time I'll type it slowly.
atheist has no ideologies, no dogmas, nothing they hold sacred above all else, except maybe scientific fact
devout religious person has numerous ideologies that they can use as their 'reasoning' for attacking. I think that's been proven time and time and time and time again. Some religious fuckwit blames a hurricane on the acceptance of gays, or 9/11 on allowing abortion, or blow up a building, shopping mall, etc due to infidels.

So what does an atheist use as a reason to shoot up a place or bomb a place? "Fuck you and your inability to accept the earth is a sphere!" or "You're all going to die because you refuse to acknowledge the laws of thermodynamics in a vacuum"

 

[Stokely]

And what would those gun owners in defensive positions have done if an undercover cop or other gun-toting citizen come down their aisle? Probably shot them down.

There's no good solution. No guns won't happen, all guns is no panacea. Look around you the next time you go anywhere and imagine most of the people you see toting pistols LOL...yeah, that'll end well the next time a shooting breaks out in a dark location like a theater. Or a sunny location for that matter.

As long as we collectively continue to go insane, more of us will die. Better get used to it, or maybe see if there's a way to help more people before it comes down to a shooting. You'll never stop all of them, but seems like prevention is always better than curing. But as we see with the War on Drugs (tm), this country isn't very interested in investing in prevention. (in that case, they much prefer investing in the private prison industry).

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And what would those gun owners in defensive positions have done if an undercover cop or other gun-toting citizen come down their aisle? Probably shot them down.

There's no good solution. No guns won't happen, all guns is no panacea. Look around you the next time you go anywhere and imagine most of the people you see toting pistols LOL...yeah, that'll end well the next time a shooting breaks out in a dark location like a theater. Or a sunny location for that matter.

As long as we collectively continue to go insane, more of us will die. Better get used to it, or maybe see if there's a way to help more people before it comes down to a shooting. You'll never stop all of them, but seems like prevention is always better than curing. But as we see with the War on Drugs (tm), this country isn't very interested in investing in prevention. (in that case, they much prefer investing in the private prison industry).

well said, and to summarize
"acceptable losses for keeping the 2a"

 

[brycejones]

Since I've never done that I only assume frequent lying must be a characteristic of Christianity.

Bots can't have religious affiliations. The poor developer just forgot to implement the code for honesty for tajbot.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Actually I do have the same question posed by the OP but with regards to the church shooting. Do people not carry their weapons into the church? Seems like in Texas the entire congregation could have returned fire. Maybe we'll learn that they did.

Don't be silly, it's a church. God will protect his flock.

Although the Texas Attorney General disagrees, he is encouraging more people to bring guns to church. Maybe well-armed ushers will help when the collection plate goes around.